Brian Stelter, author of "Network of Lies," joins Steve Krakauer to talk about his new book about Fox News, Sean Hannity and Bret Baier, the lack of "good guys" and "bad guys" in the Fox text messages that emerged in the Dominion lawsuit, his relationship with Tucker Carlson over the past 20 years, why Tucker really got sidelined by Fox News, Stelt…

Mark Halperin, founder of Wide World of News Concierge Coverage, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about what's ahead in politics in 2024, possibility of a "No Label" ticket, seeing the Trump phenomenon from the Acela Media and throughout the country, the impact of Trump and how he forever changed multiple industries, the disconnect of the mainstream pr…

We're returning to the "show" format again, with several guests on this episode of the Fourth Watch Podcast. Steve Krakauer begins with a monologue about the depressingly predictable corporate media coverage of gun violence, mass shootings, and more. Then Buck Sexton, co-host of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, joins to talk about gun violence…

Curt Menefee, lead studio host of the NFL on FOX, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss his lengthy career at FOX and longevity in the media world, the megamerger of Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift as a cultural moment, NFL's linear ratings dominance, Tom Brady's giant broadcasting deal, market value of announcers, how streaming affects viewership, sports …

Bridget Phetasy, writer and podcast host, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the state of politics and culture in 2024, being politically homeless (and "politically useless"), why "real America" is like the "middle seat," how the Trump phenomenon still going, the first GOP debate, being a writer, how getting married and motherhood has changed her, …

Steve Krakauer begins with an explanation for what the corporate media's Hunter Biden original sin is, and how it relates to press coverage today. Then Glenn Greenwald, host of Rumble's System Update, joins to talk about his exit from The Intercept related to Hunter Biden's laptop, the revolving door between political and media elite, how the incur…

Emily Jashinsky, culture editor and host at The Federalist and co-host of Counter Points, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss limitations and conformity of corporate media, getting her start in journalism in D.C., culture and geography vs. politics, Trump vs. DeSantis and the state of conservative media, the very online right and "influencer on influen…

Wesley Lowery, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and author of "American Whitelash," joins Steve Krakauer to discuss problems with cable news, "riot porn" and the Acela Media's coverage of protests and riots, what really happened in Ferguson and how many have no idea about the reality and lessons, why "partisan politics is the enemy of nuanced trut…

Gavin Purcell, former executive producer of "The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon" and co-host of the "AI For Humans" podcast, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss how he helped Jimmy Fallon's late night shows become successful on TV and online, how traditional media uses digital, the future of late night TV, how the pandemic changed the TV industry, poli…

Eric Bolling, host of "Eric Bolling The Balance" on Newsmax, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about Tucker Carlson and his move to Twitter, the power of linear TV vs. new media, the state of Fox News and the direction of the network, how Bolling saw Trump coming in 2016, Trump vs. DeSantis in the media world, what CNN does next, how the business change…

Ben Smith, author of "Traffic" and editor of Semafor, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the end of an era in the digital media with the shuttering of BuzzFeed News and MTV News and bankruptcy of Vice, BuzzFeed's Disney deal sliding doors moment, the Obama era of the digital media vs. how the Trump era changed it, when Huffington Post put Trump new…

Jacob Siegel, senior editor at Tablet Magazine and author of the brilliant "Guide to Understanding the Hoax of the Century" article about "disinformation" efforts joins Steve Krakauer to talk about getting into journalism and his time in the military, why it was so important to focus on the topic of "disinformation" and the counter-"disinformation"…

Mary Katharine Ham, co-host of the Getting Hammered podcast and former contributor to CNN and Fox News, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon getting fired this week, the future of media, Jeffrey Toobin, Jeff Zucker and the old CNN regime, leaving CNN and getting "quiet suspended," the value of talking with people who disagre…

Chris Balfe, co-founder of Red Seat Ventures, joins Steve Krakauer to talk CNN Plus' demise one year later, the state of streaming, how TheBlaze launched, the future of conservative media, whether a media behemoth could scoop up a right-leaning entity, perception vs. reality in the ad market, media bias, the future of podcasts, traits that all top …

Cyd Zeigler, founder and editor of Outsports, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss the media coverage of Lia Thomas and trans athletes, fear and activism around the issue, how much the cultural conversation around gay athletes has evolved, why the corporate press remains behind the reality of where gay acceptance in sports is today, Twitter discourse an…

It's a special edition of the Fourth Watch Podcast today, featuring Brian Stelter, longtime media correspondent and former CNN host, joining Steve Krakauer for a long-form interview, discussion, debate, centered around the state of the media, and Krakauer's new book "Uncovered: How the Media Got Cozy with Power, Abandoned Its Principles, and Lost t…

Clay Travis, founder of Outkick and co-host of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about Super Bowl storylines, starting Outkick and bringing it to Fox, legacy media like talk radio, new media entrepreneurialism, Nashville as a media city, dealing with haters on Twitter and beyond, the growth of gambling, straddling t…

Joe Flint, Wall Street Journal media reporter, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss the state of the media industry in 2023, Amazon, Netflix, Disney, News Corp, "flyover bias," the craft of media reporting, "vibes journalism," subscription-based media start-ups, and more. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at h…

Ari Fleischer, former press secretary and author of the new book "Suppression, Deception, Snobbery, and Bias," joins Steve Krakauer to discuss the bias and activism in journalism, suppression as form of bias, Fox News' place in the media landscape, how to fix the problems of ideological sameness in the press, elitism in the press and politics, Gavi…

It's a different sort of episode for this Fourth Watch, as John Greenewald, the founder of The Black Vault joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the important issue of UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects) and the term that is used now, UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) - and the media coverage of the topic. On the importance of transparency, the stig…

Jane Coaston, New York Times "The Argument" host and newsletter writer, joins Steve Krakauer in a return to the Fourth Watch Podcast to talk about the media's Twitter obsession, pros and cons of the media's focus on the platform, what to expect from Trump's imminent Twitter return, narcissism and masochism of Twitter, Twitter as a window into the p…

In this special edition of the Fourth Watch Podcast, Steve Krakauer is joined by David Folkenflik, NPR media correspondent, for a deep dive on the Hunter Biden laptop story and the media coverage of it. They discuss the unprecedented social media crackdown on the New York Post, the ramifications for free speech, connections to 2016 and Hillary Clin…

Josh Rogin, Washington Post opinion columnist and author of "Chaos Under Heaven," joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the challenge of covering an Olympics in China, bias of omission, COVID confirmation bias, how the media screwed up the lab leak story, lack of media curiosity about COVID, source bias and "source greasing," media's refusal to admit …

Leah Finnegan, editor of Gawker, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss legacy media's mostly failed efforts to appeal to a younger demographic, Trump's impact on the media, new Gawker vs. old Gawker, calling out performative wokeness, whether Gawker can now still be part of the counterculture, the poisoning of what was once funny, her exit from Gawker (a…

Michael Moynihan, Vice News contributor and co-host of "The Fifth Column" podcast, joins Steve Krakauer to talk diversity of thought and geographic bias, what the media gets wrong about Trump supporters, COVID fear porn, echo chambers of stupidity, the conspiracy of the powerful, consequences and protections of some in the media, how to fight back …

Ana Marie Cox, formerly of Crooked Media and longtime host of the "With Friends Like These" podcast, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the real media bias that exists among the legacy media, Rick Wilson and Bill Kristol and how the Trump Era changed people, how everything has become nationalized, the state of snark (and her time at Wonkette), how …

Tucker Carlson, Fox News and Fox Nation host, returns to the show to discuss with Steve Krakauer: Chris Cuomo vs. CNN and why he feels bad for Cuomo, the excitement of Fox Nation and "censorship protection" of the streaming platform, why the internet is a "lie," January 6 and his "Patriot Purge" documentary series, his book "The Long Slide," the te…

Charlie Warzel, editor of the "Galaxy Brain" newsletter now at The Atlantic, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss his move from the New York Times to Substack to The Atlantic, pros and cons of Twitter's outsized role among the media, whether Facebook is good or bad (and why that's the wrong question), how newsletters are being positioned now in media wo…

Dan Abrams, founder of Mediaite and Law & Crime and the host of "Dan Abrams Live" on NewsNation, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about opinion vs. news and the state of cable news, how MSNBC and CNN have changed over the past 20 years, Tucker Carlson and Chris Cuomo, the Ozy drama, where Mediaite sits in the media ecosystem, media ego, the recent push…

Tomi Lahren, host on Fox Nation and Fox News contributor, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss her viral social media success, how she got her start in the media, dealing with trolls, the importance of getting involved in the cultural conversation, the reaction her content gets from the left and the right, working for Fox News as it celebrates its 25th …

Erika Nardini, CEO of Barstool Sports, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the "Barstool attitude," reflects on five years as Barstool CEO and her initial meeting with Dave Portnoy, on gambling and live sports content, the enduring critiques of Barstool, why you should read the comments, the state of the podcast marketplace, and more. See Privacy Po…

Greg Kelly, host on Newsmax and WABC, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss the media coverage of the Biden administration and January 6th, the secrets behind his Twitter persona, whether the media is worth saving, social media effects on journalism, policy vs. politics coverage, what it takes to make it in the media business, and more. See Privacy Polic…

Irin Carmon, senior correspondent at New York Magazine, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about #MeToo reporting roadblocks she encountered, the role Trump's election played in the #MeToo movement reporting, coverage in the media of allegations against Gov. Cuomo, coverage of Jeffrey Epstein, RBG and Scalia's friendship, and more. See Privacy Policy at …

Steve Krakauer is joined by Mediaite founding editor Colby Hall to discuss and debate all the angles to the January 6 media coverage, including use of the term "The Big Lie," "election liar" hypocrisy, coverage of Brian Sicknick and Ashli Babbitt, why coverage of objecting to election results is different in 2020 and 2021 than past cycles, and more…

Rachel Campos-Duffy, co-host of Fox & Friends Weekend, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about her iconic season of Real World: San Francisco, the myth of liberal tolerance, finding love on reality TV, raising nine kids, how the media covers conservative women, her time on The View, the importance of her faith, Fox News' place in the media marketplace, …

Glenn Greenwald, co-founder of The Intercept and now founder of a Substack publication, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss media coverage of Trump and Biden, corporate media coziness with power, the decline of CNN and MSNBC, Twitter drama, the rise of independent media, Edward Snowden, and more. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and Cali…

Kayleigh McEnany, co-host of Fox News' Outnumbered and former White House press secretary, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss her time battling the press in the briefing room, working for a media-obsessed president like Donald Trump, what her time at CNN was like off-air, the importance of her faith, how Jen Psaki is doing in the press secretary role …

Elizabeth Spiers, journalist, editor and entrepreneur, joins Steve Krakauer to talk Gawker's impact and the new iteration coming, what it means to be countercultural in today's media environment, the incentive structure for the press to go after certain kinds of power, working for Jared Kushner (and Laurel Touby, and Nick Denton), the Substack Disc…

Ari Fleischer, of Fox News and Fleischer Communications, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about his time in the White House, the way the media covered the Trump administration (and is covering the Biden administration), "cancel culture" in sports, his time at CNN, reflecting on 9/11 20 years later, and more. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/priv…

Pat Mayo, DraftKings host and founder of the Mayo Media Network, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the state of sports media and the future of gambling coverage, independent vs. traditional media, the state of the podcast industry, how he got his start in the industry, work life balance, betting on the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections and more…

Lawrence Jones of Fox News and Fox Nation joins Steve Krakauer to talk about where Fox News stands in the media ecosystem, the rise of digital media and the role of legacy media, what he learned covering unrest last year, the "grievance politics" on both sides of the aisle, working for Barack Obama (and James O'Keefe), and more. See Privacy Policy …

Salena Zito, reporter and columnist for the Washington Examiner and the New York Post, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about how she saw Trump coming when the rest of the media didn't in 2016, dealing with her most ardent critics, her time at CNN, the value of local news, her reporting style, the media's COVID coverage and more. See Privacy Policy at …

Dana Perino, co-host of "America's Newsroom" on Fox News and author of the forthcoming book, "Everything Will Be Okay," joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the evolving role of the press secretary, the way the media covered the Trump administration (and will be covering the Biden administration), Fox News' place in the media, traditional vs. digital…

Piers Morgan, editor-at-large of the Daily Mail and co-host of Good Morning Britain, joins Steve Krakauer, to talk about the media in the Biden Era, what his relationship with Donald Trump is now, CNN's past, present and future, Rupert Murdoch's legacy, the power of social media, and more. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and Califor…

Tara Palmeri, writer for Politico Playbook and host of the "Power: The Maxwells" podcast, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about covering the Trump White House, the media's Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell coverage (or lack of coverage), covering the powerful in NYC media and entertainment for Page Six, her time writing for Politico Europe, the incoming a…

Bob Ley, legendary ESPN anchor, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the way social media has changed the media landscape, the value of trust in the media, priorities (and cuts) at his former employer ESPN, culture and sports colliding, how COVID changed sports and sports media and more. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California …

Erick Erickson, host of the radio show, The Erick Erickson Show, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the future of media post-Trump, what the conservative media does next, the #NeverTrump contingent in the media, his time at Fox News and at CNN (and what CNN is like now), the role of faith in the media, how he'd fix the media world if he had $10 mil…

Wesley Lowery, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist currently with CBS News, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about journalism in the Trump Era, the discourse surrounding the 1619 Project and other journalism efforts, the Twitter effect on the media, the bias in the national media toward national politics over local issues, "moral clarity" vs. objectivity…

Ben Domenech, co-founder and publisher of The Federalist, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about our current media landscape, what Trump coming (and going) did to the power of the legacy media, the shift to new, independent media outlets, how he got his start in the media and politics, the unique hate that comes his way (and is aimed at his wife, Megha…

Olivia Nuzzi, Washington correspondent for New York magazine, joins Steve Krakauer to talk about the Trump Era media, signing the Harper's Letter, the absurd reaction to the New York Times' Tom Cotton op-ed, her start as an intern for Anthony Weiner, Betsy Rothstein, the "cowardice" of the White House press corps and more. See Privacy Policy at htt…