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The Art Law Podcast

Steven Schindler & Katie Wilson-Milne

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The Art Law Podcast hosts discussions about topics at the intersection of art and law with art lawyers Steve Schindler and Katie Wilson-Milne and their distinguished guests.
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What's new, folks? If you're in the mood to listen to Arthur Howell (creator of the blog 2 Cents Critic) give his thoughts on books, movies, and TV shows, then join in! Podcast Twitter and Instagram: @two_centscritic Personal Twitter, Goodpods, StoryGraph, and Letterboxd: @arthur_ant18 Website: www.2centscritic.com Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/144101970-arthur-howell
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Behind the Scenery

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Hidden forces shape our ideas, beliefs, and experiences of Grand Canyon. Join us, as we uncover the stories between the canyon’s colorful walls. Probe the depths, and add your voice for what happens next at Grand Canyon!
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Tune in as Arthur’s pal Kate comes back around to the program for a breakdown of Schindler’s List, the 1993 Holocaust drama that covers the real-life tale of German industrialist and Nazi Party member Oskar Schindler as he ends up using his factory work to rescue over a thousand Jews. Considering the genocide that Israel has been committing against…
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Steve and Katie discuss several art law topics in this end-of-season episode. They talk about internal thefts at the British Museum, the ongoing Victorious Youth litigation between Italy and the Getty Trust, the Damien Hirst backdating scandals, the litigation between the Manhattan DA and the Art Institute of Chicago, and the recent litigation betw…
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Explore the parallels of time between the stars and rock formations at Grand Canyon with May 2023 Astronomer-In-Residence, Kevin Schindler. Kevin is the Historian and Public Information Officer at Lowell Observatory, where he’s worked for 28 years. Tune into this where Kevin shares about his time as Grand Canyon’s Astronomer-In-Residence, his insig…
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Tune in as friend of the show Guy Bradford returns to his guest chair once again for a review and recap of Very Bad Things, the 1998 black comedy that follows the ludicrous and murderous consequences of a Las Vegas bachelor party gone tragically wrong. The different ways in which this movie’s utterly ruthless and cynical sense of humor hits the hos…
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Tune in as Pride Month reaches the end of the road on 2CC! With this fourth and final episode of June, Arthur teams back up with his filmmaker buddy Robyn Zabukovec for a breakdown of Sound of Violence, the 2021 slasher horror film that uses synesthesia as the innovative foundation for an atmospheric and grisly ride. Famous synesthetes, admiration …
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Tune in as Pride Month keeps advancing forward on the show! For the third episode of June, Cory McCullough, AKA Gory Cory (The Scream Teens from Anatomy of a Scream Pod Squad), hops into the guest seat for a review and recap of Jennifer’s Body, the 2009 horror-comedy that had initially been torn apart and deemed to be a dud, but now has rightfully …
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"I know that there are some people who think that if you tell particular stories, like LGBT stories, that that is divisive, but I think given the nature of the culture of the United States and how we have come to be, that each of those strands of narrative are threads in the fabric that make this country strong.” Join us for a conversation with Sup…
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Tune in as Pride Month stays strong on 2CC! For the second episode of June, Abigail (The Manic Pixie Weirdo) collaborates with Arthur for a breakdown of The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue, the 2020 novel by V.E. Schwab that embarks on a centuries-wide journey sprouting out of a Faustian bargain for immortality, albeit the sort where nobody is able t…
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Tune in as 2CC launches Pride Month and dives into queer art throughout June! For this first episode, Dustin Holden (Dustin Can Read & Watch, The Rewatch Recap) retakes his comfy old guest seat for a review and recap of Fire Island, the 2022 Hulu rom-com that unfolds into a modern retelling of Pride and Prejudice. Talking points for this episode in…
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Steve and Katie speak with Italian lawyer Giuseppe Calabi and art historian Sharon Hecker about Italy’s cultural patrimony laws granting state institutions control over the use of images of cultural property long in the public domain. They discuss the legal, ethical, and practical issues with such laws and their specific application to uses of the …
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Tune in as the Rebecca Hall of Fame comes to a close with its fifth and final episode of May! It’s been such a great journey to explore her filmography throughout the month, and the conclusion shall arrive via Arthur’s friend Jared returning to 2CC for a deep dive into The Night House, the 2020 horror movie that cleverly uses negative space to deli…
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"The Canyon can be incredibly harsh and cruel... It will strip away all of your arrogance, all of your preconceived ideas about who you are, and what you think you have, and how much you think you know. And it will leave you staring at what's left, which in my case was not a lot." In 2015 Kevin Fedarko and Pete McBride set out to hike the length of…
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Tune in as the Rebecca Hall of Fame dishes out its fourth episode of the month! Clayton Jones II and Shawn Murphy (Men Who Like Men Who Like Movies Podcast) are retaking their guest seats for a breakdown of The Prestige. Adapted from the Christopher Priest novel of the same name, this 2006 mystery-thriller follows the increasingly hostile and obses…
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Tune in as the Rebecca Hall of Fame advances forward for the third episode of this theme month! Arthur’s pals Connor Kujawinski and Robyn Zabukovec make yet another reappearance on the show for a review and recap of Resurrection, the 2022 psychological horror film that draws us into a businesswoman’s life as she’s forced to confront the toxic and g…
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Steve and Katie talk with their colleague, Tom Kline, about the Nazi’s program of remaking European culture, the enormous theft and displacement of art that occurred as part of that program, and the efforts of the heirs of Jews displaced during World War II to reclaim art and cultural property. The discussion focuses on the Washington Principles, t…
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Each person connects in different ways to special places in their life. Photographer Amy Martin’s connection to Grand Canyon started before she was even born. Her parents hiked to the bottom of the Canyon when her mom was six months pregnant with her, and again when she was six months old. She’s continued that tradition of going to the canyon with …
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Tune in as the Rebecca Hall of Fame rolls onward this month with its second episode! This time around, Arthur’s buddy Noah hops onboard for a discussion on Godzilla vs. Kong, the 2021 sequel to Godzilla: King of the Monsters and the fourth entry in the Monsterverse. Running through the various movies on which GVK cinematographer Ben Seresin has wor…
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Tune in as this show kicks off a new theme month for all of May: the Rebecca Hall of Fame! For this first podcast of the month to honor one of Arthur’s all-time favorite actors, Joe Lipsett (Horror Queers, Hazel & Katniss & Harry & Starr) is returning to the guest chair for a breakdown of Red Riding: The Year of Our Lord 1974, the 2009 period crime…
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Tune in as Andy (Fat Dude Digs Flicks Movie Podcasts) returns to 2CC for a review and recap of The Silent Patient by Alex Michaelides, the 2018 thriller novel that follows the twists and turns of forensic psychotherapist Theo Faber’s mission to unlock the truth behind Alicia Berenson, the notorious painter who hasn’t spoken even once after apparent…
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Tune in as Arthur’s pal Kate returns to the program for a review and recap of After Hours, the 1985 Martin Scorsese film that plunges you into an overnight odyssey whose ridiculous hijinks can be darkly comedic one moment and genuinely terrifying the next. The movie’s symbolic focus on gender politics and emasculation, a scene that’s borrowed strai…
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Tune in as actor, writer, and comedian Clare Blackwood hops onto 2CC for a review and recap of Six of Crows, the 2015 YA novel by Leigh Bardugo that brims with heists, ruthless criminals, and the fantasy worldbuilding of the Grishaverse. Talking points for this bookish episode include the love that the podcasters have for all these morally gray rog…
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Dr. Larry Stevens has spent over fifty years as a boatman and researcher trying to understand water and life in the Grand Canyon. In this time, he has explored much of the change in important river and spring ecosystems within the desert. On this episode of Behind the Scenery listen as Larry shares observations on insect life, healthy seeps and spr…
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Tune in as Seth Vargas (Movie Friends) rejoins Arthur on 2CC for a breakdown of Blindsight by Peter Watts, the 2006 hard science-fiction and cosmic horror novel that will provide plenty of dense and cerebral material to occupy your brain. The concept of self-awareness and the burden it puts on humanity, an inventively scientific depiction of vampir…
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Katie and Steve speak with colleague Eden Burgess about the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA), its history, purpose, and requirements to repatriate cultural property and human remains to Native American tribes and Native Hawaiian Organizations, as well as new regulations that are leading major museums to remove or clos…
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Tune in as some great friends of 2 Cents Critic jump onboard in honor of it turning three years old! Jessica and Saunya (Opinionated Lushes), Dustin Holden (Dustin Can Read & Watch, The Rewatch Recap), Clayton Jones II (Men Who Like Men Who Like Movies), and Connor Kujawinski all band together with Arthur for a whole bunch of trivia and banter. Tha…
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Jumping onboard the program today for a conversation is C.J. Leede, author of Maeve Fly, her 2023 debut novel that mixes together slasher horror and dark comedy while drawing tons of inspiration from American Psycho. The varying subgenres of horror, the playlist that C.J. crafted for Maeve Fly, and appreciation for audiobooks comprise a few of the …
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Tune in as my pals Misty Rose and Jared return to their comfy old guest chairs here on 2CC for a recap of the 2024 Oscars. What a year of cinema it’s been, and that makes for plenty to cap off with the conclusion of this past awards season. Talking points for this episode include Jared’s rant about the outrageously baffling and mawkish mess that is…
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Hopping onto the show today is Andrew Rutter, the filmmaker behind multiple short films, with 2020’s “Peter the Penguin” being the one that had introduced Arthur to his work and to the blend of horror and bizarrely dark comedy that it’s filled with. The two hosts discuss tons of topics, including their appreciation of physical media for movies, And…
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Tune in as Vanessa Ondi (Best Week Ever Podcast) collaborates with Arthur to review and recap When No One Is Watching by Alyssa Cole, the 2020 thriller novel that’s been marketed as a cross between Rear Window and Get Out (and was also one of Arthur’s top books of 2020). Distrusting the cops, getting deeply irritated by the persistent and widesprea…
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Joining the program today is Clement Jochem, the filmmaker behind, among other shorts, the 2023 horror short “It’s Not About Fear.” With its slow-burn atmosphere and its sensitive handling of some heavy subject matter, it’s become a great way to get introduced to Clement’s work. He and Arthur chat about plenty of topics on this episode, including t…
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"It's so big and vast and especially in that area by Desert View. That's where we have shrines, and we still observe those shrines during our important religious activities that we have here. It's still connected to us. Every part of that Canyon is a very important part of our religious activities.” Gerald Lomaventema is an award-winning silversmit…
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Tune in as Tyler Hewitt (Dumb-Dumbs & Dice) makes his long-awaited return to the program for a review and recap of One Hour Photo, the 2002 film that presents plenty of stalkery suspense and a nostalgic freeze-frame of the antiquated era of photo processing. The masterful skill that Robin Williams shows off in his against-type performance as loneso…
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Katie and Steve take a deep dive into the history and current status of the Parthenon Marbles with Alexander Herman, director of the Institute of Art and Law in London and author of the recent book The Parthenon Marbles Dispute: Heritage, Law, Politics. Notes for this episode: https://artlawpodcast.com/2024/03/04/the-parthenon-marbles-dispute/ Foll…
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Tune in as Joey DiCarlo and Markellus “Mark” Ragans (So Wizard Podcast) collaborate with Arthur for a breakdown of 10 Cloverfield Lane, the 2016 mid-apocalyptic thriller that’s very loosely presented as a standalone sequel to 2008’s Cloverfield. The surprisingly feminist themes in 10CL, the committed and creative marketing campaign for this whole f…
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Tune in as Jessica and Saunya (Opinionated Lushes) rejoin Arthur to review and recap The Marvels, the sequel to 2019’s Captain Marvel (and a few other pieces of the ever-growing MCU). The multiple factors that led to this becoming a box office bomb, the real-life cases to which the Kree’s colonialist and imperialist regime can be compared (*cough c…
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Tune in as Sharai Bohannon (A Nightmare on Fierce Street, Blerdy Massacre) returns to 2CC for a breakdown of Push, the 2009 sci-fi action movie that borrows quite a bit of energy from the X-Men. Nitpicking the inconsistencies of the psychic powers in this flick, reminding everyone that Shiv Roy isn’t meant to be a girlboss figure, running through Z…
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Tune in as Arthur’s friends Misty Rose and Kate jump onto the show so that they all can list off their top ten movies of 2023. Misty dozing off during one of the best fight scenes in John Wick: Chapter 4, the hosts’ conflicting thoughts over a divisive little flick called Saltburn (between this and Promising Young Woman, Arthur slightly prefers the…
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Katie and Steve discuss three recent litigation updates. They discuss the outcome of the trial in the case brought by Dmitry Rybolovlev against Sotheby’s for aiding in the alleged fraud of Yves Bouvier, the most recent Richard Prince fair use copyright infringement cases brought by two photographers, and the Ninth Circuit decision applying Spanish …
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Jumping onto 2CC today is Joshua R. Pangborn, the filmmaker who’s behind the award-winning NYC-based production company Sidekick Productions. Queer, fat-positive, and sex-positive storytelling is what Joshua and Sidekick focus on through web series like Skeleton Crew and Demon Doctor. Same goes for the upcoming horror-comedy movie A Taste of Youth …
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What’s it like to ride the rapids of the Colorado River through Grand Canyon National Park? Join noted geologist, book author, lecturer and guide Wayne Ranney, a veteran of over 100 Grand Canyon river trips, as he is interviewed on all-things Grand Canyon river rafting related. --- TRANSCRIPT: --- ♫ Soft guitar and singing: Wild River (Just Float m…
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Tune in as Arthur brings back his friend Daxh Alanis for a discussion on Echo, the new MCU miniseries that’s premiering on Disney+ (as well as Hulu) and bringing us back around to Maya Lopez, the street-level fighter and deaf amputee whom we had met back in 2021’s Hawkeye. The badassery of both Maya and Alaqua Cox, Kingpin continuing to be enthrall…
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Tune in as Mel B., Jackie D., and A. (Read, Watch, or DNF; DNF Happy Hour) all grab some seats with Arthur at the 2CC table so that they can lay out their top 10 books of 2023. A book being powerful enough to rip out A.’s uterus, striving to read more BIPOC work, and the frustrating state of Goodreads comprise a few of the talking points for this w…
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Tune in as pod buddy Torry (Ready to Be Petty, Ready to Be Romanced) teams up with Arthur to discuss A Holly Jolly Ever After by Julie Murphy and Sierra Simone, the spicy Christmas rom-com that stands as the second novel in their A Christmas Notch series. Purity culture, the nods this book gives to celebrity life, and how it handles certain tropes …
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Tune in as Dustin Holden (Dustin Can Read & Watch, The Rewatch Recap) rejoins 2CC so that he and Arthur can lay out their top 10 TV shows of 2023. The baffling and moronic behavior of streaming services, a reminder that Netflix’s You originally premiered on Lifetime, and a certain deeply pleasurable superpower comprise a few of the topics that the …
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Steve and Katie take a look at the many developments around generative AI and fine art, including debates and litigation on copyrightability and infringement as well as the policy concerns surrounding increased use of generative AI to create artworks. Notes for this episode: http://artlawpodcast.com/2024/01/09/2023-ai-and-art-wrap-up/ Follow the Ar…
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"This is the drier southwest, so it's not surprising this is the place where the effects of climate change are first really coming to a head. Do we pull together as a team? Do we figure out how to adapt? How to be able to balance water use between cities and agriculture, between different states? Or do we fail?" Rob Billerbeck is the Colorado River…
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Tune in for 2CC’s first episode of 2024, which is kicking off the new year by bringing Arthur’s friend Thomas back on to cover the two-season Netflix series Russian Doll. The ways in which this plays around with time, the companionship between Nadia and Alan, and Jamie Babbit’s work make up a few of the topics that the hosts chat about on this podc…
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Tune in for the fourth and final episode of 2 Cents Critic Merry Month, where the show is covering holiday media throughout December! On this last week of the month (and last episode of 2023, an eventful year that’s been notable for things like Barbenheimer, the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strike, the long-awaited passing of Henry Kissinger, and the genocide…
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Tune in for the third episode of 2 Cents Critic Merry Month, where the show is covering holiday media throughout December! This week, Mama D (Petals of Support) joins the podcast to discuss National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation, the 1989 Christmas movie that’s full of Italian twinkle lights, vexed neighbors, and Clark Griswold’s psychopathic tenden…
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Tune in for the second episode of 2 Cents Critic Merry Month, where the show is covering holiday media throughout December! This week, Arthur brings Andy (Fat Dude Digs Flicks Movie Podcasts) onboard to review and recap Die Hard, the 1988 icon of both action and Christmas cinema. Discussion topics for this episode include comparing Die Hard to the …
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