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The Coming Home Network: A Network of Catholic Converts

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard conclude their series on "Dei Verbum," the Second Vatican Council’s document on Divine Revelation. Ken, a former Baptist pastor, Kenny, a former Pentecostal pastor, and Matt, who comes from a Wesleyan background, each take a principle from "Dei Verbum," and show how it has enriched and expanded their unde…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on "Dei Verbum," the Second Vatican Council’s document on Divine Revelation. They continue their discussion of how God's Word should infuse, inform, and inspire God's people, not only through the formal liturgy of the Church, but also through private study and devotion. Matt, Ken, an…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on "Dei Verbum," the Second Vatican Council’s document on Divine Revelation. Given everything that the Catholic Church teaches about the importance of Scripture, how should it function in the lives of Christians, both corporately and individually? Matt, Ken, and Kenny look at what Va…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on "Dei Verbum," the Second Vatican Council’s document on Divine Revelation. How should Christians understand the New Testament in the light of the entirety of God's revelation to humanity? What does Jesus tell us about what God's plan has been from the beginning? Matt, Ken, and Kenn…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council’s document on Divine Revelation. What purpose does the Old Testament serve to Christians, who follow Jesus as the fulfillment of the law? And how does the narrative of salvation history illustrate that the incarnation has been foreshadowed fr…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on "Dei Verbum," the Second Vatican Council's document on Divine Revelation. Who has the authority to interpret the Bible? What safeguards exist to make sure that Christians of today believe the same things about Scripture that the early Christians believed? What criteria should Chris…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council's document on Divine Revelation. How does God reveal his Word to humanity? How did the Holy Spirit and the human authors of Scripture collaborate to transmit the message of salvation? By what means has this revelation been preserved and handed…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council's document on Divine Revelation. What does it mean to say that Jesus is the Word of God made flesh? And how does that inform the way that Catholics approach the reading and proclamation of Sacred Scripture? Matt, Ken, and Kenny discuss the sim…
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Many are familiar with the fact that the Catholic Church does not hold to the Reformation doctrine of "sola Scriptura." But what *does* the Catholic Church teach about God's Word? Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard begin a new series unpacking "Dei Verbum," the Catholic Church's official document on Divine Revelation from the Second Vatican…
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Kenny Burchard joins Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley to share the story of how he finally ended up becoming Catholic. Having left Pentecostal ministry, Kenny ended up looking at a few possible church environments that he thought he and his family might be able to call home. But at the end of all of it, he found that God was calling them to the last plac…
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Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. Kenny shares the series of experiences and the process of discernment that led him to step away from ministry as a pastor in the Foursquare Church. He discusses three watershed moments that led him to believe that whatever God had in st…
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Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. When Kenny, who had been a Pentecostal pastor, told some friends he was considering becoming Catholic, he was asked why he'd want to join a church that had gone through so many scandals. For Kenny, this was a question that hit close to …
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Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. As Kenny discovered more and more divisions among Christians, he became increasingly unsettled by them. He and his wife got into ministry together in the Pentecostal world, but their experience of everything from Christian radio to Chri…
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Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. As Kenny tried to find his way in his new life as a Christian, the question of where he fit among fellow believers became front and center. He started to realize that there were lots of different interpretations of Scripture, and lots o…
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Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. At the end of the last episode, Kenny was a brand new, "born-again" Christian. He shares how in that first year that followed, his zeal overflowed in ways that ended up damaging relationships. He was passionate about his newfound faith,…
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In a new series of On the Journey, Kenny Burchard begins to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. Kenny starts at the very beginning: from being given up for adoption by Catholic parents, to being adopted by parents who didn't practice religion at all, to growing up around Mormons in Utah and eventual…
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Ken Hensley was a Baptist Pastor, and Kenny Burchard presided over a Pentecostal congregation. What did they think about the word "apostolic?" Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard discuss what kinds of things came to mind in regard to the word "apostolic," and what they thought, and currently think, about carrying on the apostolic mission of…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. The Catholic Church has four marks: it is one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. As they dig even deeper into the meaning of the word “catholic,” Matt, Ken, and Kenny look at how the Church is meant to be a home for all people, and expands Christ's mission to the ends of t…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. The Catholic Church has four marks: it is one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. As they dig even deeper into the meaning of the word "catholic," Matt, Ken, and Kenny look at what the Catechism has to say about other forms of Christianity, and even other religions. As form…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. In the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds, we profess that the Church is "catholic," but what do we mean by that? Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard share how they used to think about the word "catholic" before they themselves ended up becoming Catholics.…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. In both Scripture and the writings of early Christianity, the Church is repeatedly referred to as "holy." How are we to understand that, if we know that it has been full of sinners from the beginning? Matt, Ken and Kenny look at the ways the word "holy" is used in the B…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. In the Nicene Creed, Christians profess that they believe the Church to be "one." What does that mean? How did Ken and Kenny think about the idea of Christian unity when they were Evangelical pastors? And what are the obstacles to believers being "one" in Christ? Watch …
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. “What the soul is to the human body, the Holy Spirit is to the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” - St. Augustine How would Ken and Kenny have reacted to a statement like that when they were serving as pastors of Protestant congregations? And how does the Holy Spirit…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. This time around, they focus on Scriptural imagery of the Church as the body of Christ, as well as the bride of Christ. As former Protestant pastors, how did Ken and Kenny think of those images? And what does the Catechism of the Catholic Church have to say about the Ch…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. When they were Evangelical pastors, how much did Ken and Kenny think about the Church as a continuation of the covenants God had made with his people throughout salvation history? Focusing on Catechism paragraphs 781-786, they share which Catholic teachings about the na…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. The Catholic Catechism talks about the Church as being both earthly and heavenly, visible and invisible, hierarchical and mystical. In short, she is a "mystery" -- but what does the Church mean by that word? Matt, Ken and Kenny look at how they thought about the mystery…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. In this episode, they walk through the Catechism’s section on the Church’s Origin, Foundation and Mission. Here we see the Church born of the eternal plan of God, developed in the Old Covenant people of God, instituted by our Lord Jesus in the New Covenant, revealed by …
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. In this episode, they begin to examine the Catechism’s treatment of Article 9 of the Apostle’s Creed, “I believe in the Holy Catholic Church,” focusing on the Church’s inner nature. What is communicated by saying that the Church is the called out assembly of the Lord, t…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard begin a new OTJ series on the Church. When Ken and Kenny were Evangelical pastors, what did they mean by the word "Church?" When Matt was attending different congregations, how did he understand them in relation to one another? Where did each of them get these understandings of what "the Church" is and how…
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A special Summer message to our On the Journey family: Over the Summer, we're taking a short break from recording new episodes while we plan our next big series, which will be all about The Church. Since Ken and Kenny were both Protestant pastors before they became Catholic, we'll talk about how they planned church services, what they meant by the …
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard conclude their series on what it means to follow Christ and be transformed into his image in the process. In this final episode, they summarize the entire series and add one crucial point that turns the truths and lessons into a path — a path that must be traveled, through the desert, to the land that flow…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on what it means to follow Christ and be transformed into his image in the process. In this episode, as they follow the Holy Spirit into the desert to be tested, tried and changed in the process, Matt, Ken and Kenny look at three gifts that God has given his people to help them on the…
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Matt, Ken and Kenny continue their series on what it means to follow Christ and be transformed into his image in the process. In this episode, we follow the Holy Spirit into the desert to be tested and tried and changed in the process. Immediately after Our Lord’s baptism, he was led by the Holy Spirit into the desert. It’s no coincidence that the …
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Matt, Ken and Kenny continue their series on what it means to follow Christ and be transformed into his image in the process. In this episode, they continue exploring the practical steps involved in the process of sanctification by looking at what happened to us in our baptisms. How exactly do we begin to break the hold that our unhealthy attachmen…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on what it means to follow Christ, and receive His promises as part of the Christian life. In this episode, Matt, Ken and Kenny begin to explore the practical steps involved in the process of sanctification. How exactly do we begin to break the hold that our unhealthy attachments, ad…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on what it means to follow Christ, and receive His promises as part of the Christian life. Ken unpacks the story of Israel in Exodus as a pattern of sin and restoration that so many of us can relate to: we chase idols and mirages, which can never satisfy, while God wants us to turn t…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the doctrine of Sanctification, asking the question: What is the process by which we as believers in Christ are changed into His likeness "from one degree of glory to another" (2 Corinthians 3:18)? Ken digs into some foundational concepts related to what it means to be made in God…
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In Ephesians 4:22-24 St. Paul admonishes all believers to leave aside their old ways and to “put on the “new nature, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.” How does this happen? How are we changed from the inside to become more like Jesus Christ? In this series of “On the Journey,” Matt Ken and Kenny tackle these imp…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard conclude their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. To finish things off, they look at the Concluding Rites, what's being said in them, and what they say to the gathered congregation about what has just ha…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. In this episode, they look back at the process of how Communion was distributed and received in the various contexts they came from -- Baptist, Pentecost…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. This week, they dive into the Liturgy of the Eucharist, and specifically into a prayer (posted below) that really calls the Church to reflect on who She …
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. This week, they talk about a major aspect of the Mass that helps shed light on what Catholic worship is: anamnesis. What exactly are we doing when, at Ch…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. In this episode, they begin to dig into the various prayers that make up the Liturgy of the Eucharist, how they draw from and point back to Scripture, an…
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In a special behind-the-scenes episode of On the Journey, Matt, Ken and Kenny talk a bit about their roles at The Coming Home Network, the way their experience as converts has informed their approach to the series, and how the pastoral care mission of CHNetwork sets the backdrop for the unique way they go about planning episodes. Support The Coming…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. For so many Christians, the high point of Sunday worship is the sermon. Why is it that for Catholics, the high point is Holy Communion? Matt, Ken and Ken…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. One of the misconceptions about Mass is that it is dead ritual that ignores the saving work of Jesus. Matt, Ken and Kenny show how Jesus is actually the …
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. In this episode, Matt, Ken and Kenny dig into the Liturgy of the Word, the section of the Mass that focuses on Sacred Scripture. They look at the role of…
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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they first went to Mass. In this episode, Matt, Ken and Kenny look at the Introductory Rites that take up the opening few minutes of the Mass, and discuss how they set the stage f…
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All Christians talk about worship, but not all understand it in the same way. What is our goal in gathering together regularly as a community of believers? What should we be doing when we're together? How does God ask us to worship Him, and how did the earliest Christians seek to honor Him when they gathered? Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burc…
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It's not uncommon for some Protestants to wonder if Catholics are actually Christians. But for Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard, who came from Protestant backgrounds and became Catholic, what did it look like to them to have that question reversed? Are Protestants, in their multitudinous variety of theological expressions and Scriptural …
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