Ever had something you love dismissed because it’s “just” pop culture? What others might deem stupid shit, you know matters. You know it’s worth talking and thinking about. So do we. We're Tracie and Emily, two sisters who think a lot about a lot of things. From Twilight to Ghostbusters, Harry Potter to the Muppets, and wherever pop culture takes us, come overthink with us as we delve into our deep thoughts about stupid shit.
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Lightbringers: Illuminating the Deeper Meaning of the Crime-solving Devil TV Show
Tracie Guy-Decker & Emily Guy Birken
Tracie and Emily are two sisters who really love the show Lucifer. We're rewatching the series two episodes at a time and taking the time to illuminate the deeper meaning of the crime-solving devil tv show. Yes, we are overthinking it. WARNING: There are definitely spoilers. If you haven't watched the whole series (all 6 seasons), listen at your own risk!
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Systemic oppression conditions us to deny others’ and our own humanity. Many justice-seekers unwittingly perpetuate that dehumanization when they assume they must suffer, punish, or martyr themselves to dismantle oppression. At Joyous Justice, we're imagining and embodying a different way. Wholeness, love, and thriving are the antidotes to the brokenness in our world and in our own lives. Each week, April Baskin–with her friend and colleague, Tracie Guy-Decker–delves into theoretical and pra ...
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Send us a Text Message. Podcasts are like onions…they’ve got layers. In this patron-exclusive bonus episode, Emily takes a look back at Shrek, the charming ogre who entertained her young son. Though the movie is still laugh-out-loud funny at times, those guffaws come with unfortunate sides of fat-phobia, misogyny, and bio-essential transphobia that…
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Deep Thoughts about Ferris Bueller's Day Off
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Send us a Text Message. Life moves pretty fast. If you don’t stop and listen to a podcast once in a while, you might just miss it. This week, Tracie shares her deep thoughts about the iconic 1986 teen movie Ferris Bueller’s Day Off–and unfortunately the results are not as charming as Matthew Broderick’s smile. Not only is Jeannie unfairly made out …
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Send us a Text Message. Only try to realize the truth: There is no spoon. When Emily brings her deep thoughts about the Wachowski Sisters’ 1999 cinematic masterpiece, The Matrix, the Guy sisters are unable to contain the conversation to under an hour. (We’re not exactly known for our brevity.) This movie, possibly the most popular, successful, and …
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Deep Thoughts about The Ren & Stimpy Show
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Send us a Text Message. Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy! This week on Deep Thoughts, Tracie brings nostalgia, laughter, and the unfortunate realization that you really can’t go home again with her analysis of The Ren & Stimpy Show. While creator and tortured animation genius John K brought back the artistry and commitment to craft when his angry Chihuahua a…
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Deep Thoughts about Revenge of the Nerds
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Send us a Text Message. NERDS!!! On today’s episode of Deep Thoughts, Emily shares her analysis (and horrified shuddering) about the oddly influential 1984 film Revenge of the Nerds. Though the filmmakers thought they were writing the “gentle and funny underdog story” that Gene Siskel characterized the movie as, Nerds treats women as less-than-huma…
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Deep Thoughts about Dead Poets Society
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Send us a Text Message. O Captain! My Captain! Join us as Tracie brings her deep thoughts to the 1989 film Dead Poets Society on today’s episode. Though this beloved film was supposed to be a defense of the humanities (and remember, both Guy Girls were English majors at private liberal arts colleges), this rewatch made it clear the film thinks poet…
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Send us a Text Message. Hold on to your butts! On this week’s episode of Deep Thoughts, Emily shares her analysis of the 1993 film Jurassic Park. She describes the thrill of being the target audience for a summer blockbuster (she was 14 when it came out) and her discomfort with how the book portrayed the only two female characters as an annoying ch…
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Deep Thoughts about The Last Unicorn
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Send us a Text Message. Magic! Do as you will! Tracie brings her deep thoughts about the 1982 animated film The Last Unicorn, a lesser-known but beloved part of the traumatizing 80s movie canon. With gorgeous animation–the studio went on to become Studio Ghibli–this film tells an odd story about how mortality allows us to feel regret and reminds us…
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Deep Thoughts about Four Weddings and a Funeral
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Send us a Text Message. In the words of David Cassidy, in fact, while he was still with The Partridge Family, I think I love you… Join us this week as Tracie and Emily revisit the 1994 film Four Weddings and a Funeral that they first saw in the theater together. Not only did this film launch Guy girls’ long-standing fixation on Hugh Grant, the flop…
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Deep Thoughts about King Kong with William Patrick Day
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Send us a Text Message. Was it beauty that killed the beast? Or was it capitalism…aided by airplanes? On this week’s episode of Deep Thoughts, Tracie and Emily welcome Oberlin Professor Pat Day to talk about the ape, the myth, the movie legend: King Kong. Prof. Day walks us through how the original filmmakers in 1933 used new technology (A musical …
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Deep Thoughts about Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
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Send us a Text Message. We’re not bad…we’re just drawn that way! In this episode, Emily brings her deep thoughts about a marvel of innovation and animation: Who Framed Roger Rabbit? This 1988 film, a self-conscious mashup of three different animation studios’ styles and the film-noir of the Chinatown films, is a unique vehicle for a conversation ab…
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Lucifer 609 + 610 “Goodbye, Lucifer” & “Partners ‘Til the End”
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Send us a Text Message. In the final episode of Lightbringers, the Guy girls still manage some significant overthinking. The storytelling leads them to some questions about how people who don’t feel remorse might be tortured in the Lucifer universe (in other words, what was the magic behind Lucifer’s whispered words to Lemec?). Additionally, the co…
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Deep Thoughts about Dirty Dancing (Patron Exclusive) TEASER
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Send us a Text Message. Now I had the time of my life…revisiting this classic! In today’s special patrons-only bonus episode, Tracie dives deep into the unexpected hit film Dirty Dancing. Join the sisters as they unpack Eleanor Bergstein’s very intentional and subversive storytelling that made abortion integral to the plot (which surprised the heck…
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Lucifer 607 + 608 'My Best Fiend's Wedding' & 'Save the Devil, Save the World'
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Send us a Text Message. In this penultimate episode of Lightbringers, the Guy sisters continue to notice the moments and threads of season 6 that seem to point to a rushed (and self-amusing) writers’ room. From the unprofessional move of Linda’s book (why didn’t they just make it fiction?) to the disappointingly milquetoast Carroll, there are story…
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Deep Thoughts About Event Horizon with Scott Kenemore
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Send us a Text Message. Hell is only a word… This week on Deep Thoughts, the sisters welcome best-selling horror novelist (and Emily’s fellow Kenyon alum) Scott Kenemore to discuss the 1997 cult classic Event Horizon starring Sam Neill and Laurence Fishburne. The wide-ranging discussion moves from the meaning of cosmic horror to the importance of i…
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Lucifer 605 + 606 “The Murder of Lucifer Morningstar” & “A Lot Dirtier Than That”
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Send us a Text Message. With these two episodes we get some subtext about addiction and some supertext about racist policing. In “The Murder of Lucifer Morningstar,” the sisters realize on rewatch (especially in the context of our analysis of so many moments of mental health metaphors) that Chloe’s obsession with the super-strength the necklace pro…
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Deep Thoughts about the Addams Family
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Send us a Text Message. They’re subversive and they’re kooky, whimsical, sweet and spooky…The Addams Family! snap, snap On today’s Deep Thoughts, Emily overthinks The Addams Family–specifically the 1990s era films starring Raul Julia and Anjelica Huston as Gomez and Morticia. The sisters examine how The Addams Family uses horror tropes and subversi…
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Lucifer 603 + 604 “Yabba Dabba Do Me” & “Pin the Tail on the Daddy”
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Send us a Text Message. As season 6 progresses, the Guy sisters have some moments of joy and appreciation and quite a few quibbles for the writers. Though the cartoonified episode is in some ways delightful (Tracie wanted to be an animator when she was a kid), there are moments in the writing that feel either ableist or rushed (or both). The sister…
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Deep Thoughts about the Spice Girls
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Send us a Text Message. I really really really wanna zig-a-zig-AH! On this week’s episode of Deep Thoughts, Tracie and Emily delve into the global phenomenon of the Spice Girls. Tracie explains how she saw the inevitability of Spicy world domination while living in London in 1997 and decided to embrace the manufactured pop group’s grrl power, despi…
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Lucifer 601 + 602 “Nothing Ever Changes Around Here” & “Buckets of Baggage”
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Send us a Text Message. And so begins the Guy sisters’ rewatch of Season 6: Nobody’s favorite season. With these two episodes, the sisters spend considerable time lamenting the fact that there are no media role models for people who are childless by choice, including, it seems, Lucifer. We also are perplexed and perturbed by multiple details of the…
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Deep Thoughts about Pee-Wee's Playhouse with Mallory Henson
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Send us a Text Message. That’s so funny I forgot to laugh! On this week’s episode, Emily and Tracie welcome Mallory Henson to talk about her reverence for the TV show Pee-wee’s Playhouse. Mallory introduces the sisters to the path Paul Reubens took to develop the character of Pee-wee Herman and how the show recreated the joyful chaos of a child’s m…
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Lucifer 515 + 516 “Is This Really How It’s Going to End” & “We Could Have Had a Happy Ending”
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Send us a Text Message. These two final episodes of season five pack and emotional wallup. With more than one major character death (though 2 don’t stay dead), the Guy girls both admit to shedding some tears, even in rewatch. The views we get of both Heaven and Hell have Emily and Tracie thinking deeply about the nature of punishment, the compatibi…
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Send us a Text Message. Party Time! Excellent! [Extended guitar solo] On this week’s episode of Deep Thoughts, Emily revisits the most important cultural touchstone of the late 20th century: Wayne’s World. In addition to introducing an entire generation to Queen’s Bohemian Rhapsody, this film presented a surprisingly complex characterization of Tia…
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Lucifer 513 + 514 “A LIttle Harmless Stalking” & “Nothing Lasts Forever”
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Send us a Text Message. “A Little Harmless Stalking” & “Nothing Lasts Forever” are ripe for overthinking, and the Guy girls do. These two stories invite meditations on the reconciliation of adult children and their parents, a scene that has become common in contemporary pop fiction, and which Tracie & Emily dub psychological or family dynamic ficti…
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Deep Thoughts about Superman: The Movie
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Send us a Text Message. It’s a bird! It’s a plane! It’s an unreasonable hatred for Hackensack, New Jersey! This week, Tracie brings her Deep Thoughts about the 1978 film Superman: The Movie. From the way this film helped legitimize comic books and superheroes as a valid art form to the huge influence Christopher Reeve’s Superman still has on our cu…
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Lucifer 511 + 512 "Resting Devil Face" & "Daniel Espinoza: Naked and Afraid"
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Send us a Text Message. “Resting Devil Face” is a delightful romp the sisters want to revisit more often. “Daniel Espinoza: Naked and Afraid” may be both of their least favorite. In “Resting Devil Face,” the celestial siblings’ relationship digs in to the very human experience of realizing one’s parent is vulnerable. In a satisfying dovetailing of …
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Send us a Text Message. REDRUM! REDRUM! On this week’s episode of Deep Thoughts, Emily breaks down the horror masterpiece, The Shining. The sisters walk through the ways in which Shelley Duvall’s portrayal of Wendy Torrance is an unexpected feminist icon, how Kubrick created an intentionally incoherent film while abusing his actors (except for 6-ye…
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Lucifer 509 + 510 "Family Dinner" & "Bloody Celestial Karaoke Jam"
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Send us a Text Message. “Family Dinner” and “Bloody Celestial Karaoke Jam” deliver both some of the funniest and some of the most poignant moments of the whole series. With a general appreciation for the relatableness of so much of what happens between characters in these two episodes and a very specific appreciation for Tom Ellis’ collarbones, the…
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Send us a Text Message. HEY YOU GUY(Girl)S! On this week’s Deep Thoughts, Tracie revisits a classic of GenX childhood: The Electric Company. This children’s sketch comedy program with an all-star cast (Morgan Freeman! Rita Moreno! Bill Cosby?) showcased the wonderful ways that informal education can be intentional, subversive, funny, and validating…
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Lucifer 507 + 508 “Our Mojo” & “Spoiler Alert”
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Send us a Text Message. On rewatch, the Guy girls were reminded just how much they compartmentalize their memories about these two episodes. “Our Mojo” and “Spoiler Alert” provide delightfully fun and funny moments intermixed with grim details of the serial-killer-right-under-our-noses storyline. The sisters spend time teasing out the phenomenologi…
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Deep Thoughts about Veronica Mars with Joanna Church
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Send us a Text Message. “This face right here is my over the moon face.” This week, Tracie and Emily welcome Joanna Church to share her Deep Thoughts about the television show Veronica Mars. Between trying to recap the telenovela-sounding plot to Tracie (coma babies! children switched at birth! a school bus that drives off a cliff and explodes!), J…
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Lucifer 505 + 506 “Detective Amenadiel” & “Blue Ballz”
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Send us a Text Message. “Detective Amenadiel” and “Blue Ballz” are the only two episodes in this whole experiment that the sisters watched while in the same room, and they contain some of their most beloved and most reviled of the whole series. In their meanderings, the Guy girls think about the metaphor of reflection as used both visually and rhet…
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Send us a Text Message. Looking good, Tracie! Feeling good, Emily! On this week’s Deep Thoughts, Emily analyzes Trading Places, the film that taught her what a short sale is, how a bookie works, and that she is most definitely a money nerd. While the film offers a pointed critique of capitalism and racism, it undercuts its own message with the trul…
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Lucifer 503 + 504 "¡Diablo!" & "It Never Ends Well for the Chicken"
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Send us a Text Message. The layers of meta-commentary in the episode about a TV show where the actual devil is a consultant with the LAPD is lots of fun, and has the sisters wondering if Lucifer would have been more offended on Chloe’s behalf by turning her character into a stripper-turned-detective who doesn’t seem to be particularly bright. And t…
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Deep Thoughts about Michael Jackson's Thriller
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Send us a Text Message. It smells like the funk of 40,000 years in here! In today’s episode,Tracie shares her deep thoughts about the iconic and groundbreaking 1983 music video for Michael Jackson’s Thriller. From the way the mini film subverts expectations to the meaning behind the horror tropes it relies on to how to contextualize Jackson’s immen…
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Deep Thoughts about The Fifth Element
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Send us a Text Message. It mu5t be found…it being a realistic portrayal of women For this episode of Deep Thoughts, Emily dives into the valiant, vulnerable, and very very sexist portrayal of “perfection” in the 1997 Luc Besson film The Fifth Element. Milla Jovovich’s Leeloo is the poster child for the trope of Born Sexy Yesterday, wherein a childl…
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Lucifer 501 + 502 "Really Sad Devil Guy" & "Lucifer! Lucifer! Lucifer!"
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Send us a Text Message. In our conversation about “Really Sad Devil Guy” & “Lucifer! Lucifer! Lucifer!” we think a lot about the tropes and short cuts that come from soap opera storytelling. And we don’t hate it. Both sisters are impressed with Tom Ellis’s ability to make us believe he is, in fact, his own twin (even down to his butt cheeks!). Trac…
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Lucifer 409 + 410 "Save Lucifer" & "Who's da New King of Hell?"
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Send us a Text Message. “Save Lucifer” and “Who’s da New King of Hell?” allow the Guy Girls to overthink everything from acting vs. directorial choices, to the nature of sin and guilt, to the possibility of a “happy ending” for an immortal being in love with an all-too-human one. Tracie couldn’t wait to start the episode with her frustrations with …
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Deep Thoughts about Journalism in Pop Culture with Jon Shorr
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Send us a Text Message. Good night and good luck and you stay classy, San Diego! On this week’s episode of Deep Thoughts, Tracie and Emily welcome media studies professor (retired) Jon Shorr to talk about how pop culture has conditioned us to think about journalism, reporters, and “the news.” From Lois Lane to Woodward and Bernstein to Mary Tyler M…
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Lucifer 407 + 408 "Devil Is as Devil Does" & "Super Bad Boyfriend"
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Send us a Text Message. “Devil is as Devil Does” and “Super Bad Boyfriend” give some hints that the writers were wrestling with their copagandistic vehicle. However, there were also moments in these two episodes, especially in Chloe’s voice, that oversimplify the “rightness” of human justice. That they made these explorations around the death of a …
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Deep Thoughts about Monty Python and the Holy Grail
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Send us a Text Message. We are the sisters who say Ni! Bring us…a shrubbery. On today’s episode of Deep Thoughts, Tracie and Emily dig into a source of both sisters’ understanding of what is funny, Monty Python and the Holy Grail. After 49 years, this film remains super funny, because it subverts our expectations. With minimal plot, despite the pur…
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Lucifer 405 + 406 "Expire Erect" & "Orgy Pants to Work"
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Send us a Text Message. “Expire Erect” (Die Hard, get it?) and “Orgy Pants to Work” turn out to be fantastic fodder for the Guy Girls’ particular brand of overthinking, and we did not hold back. Tracie had some THINGS to say about the mythology of Lilith (Maze’s mom), which led to some questions about who (and how) Lilith even is, and whether or no…
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Deep Thoughts About Back to the Future TEASER
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Send us a Text Message. Great Scott!! A time traveling oedipal complex masquerading as family entertainment? This special patrons-only bonus episode of Deep Thoughts takes a closer look at the film that ensured the DeLorean’s ongoing cultural relevance: Back to the Future. From the erasure of Black culture and ambition to some truly weird sexual po…
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Lucifer 403 + 404 "O, Ye of Little Faith, Father" & "All About Eve"
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Send us a Text Message. “O, Ye of Little Faith, Father” and “All About Eve” bring some of Emily’s favorite moments of the whole series. The first provides deeply satisfying dramatic irony through Father Kinley’s (Graham McTavish) web of deception, the whole of which, only we the viewers see. The second gives delicious comfort to a devastated Lucife…
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Send us a Text Message. Ooh, my little pretty one…who was really going to be somebody by age 23 On today’s episode of Deep Thoughts About Stupid Sh*t, Tracie revisits the film of Generation X: Reality Bites. Despite passing the Bechdel test with flying colors, the story of documentary filmmaker Lelaina (played by Winona Ryder) not only seems to pre…
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Lucifer 401 + 402 "Everything's Okay" & "Somebody's Been Reading Dante's Inferno"
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Send us a Text Message. “Everything’s Okay” and “Somebody’s Been Reading Dante’s Inferno” contain one of the sexiest scenes in the whole series, some really comprehensible character behavior, and some mediocre delivery of that behavior. The sisters spend a disproportionate amount of time gushing over the first several minutes of “Everything’s Okay,…
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Deep Thoughts about Rocky Horror Picture Show
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Send us a Text Message. Let’s do the time warp agaaaaaain! (Except with ongoing enthusiastic consent this time, mkay?) This week, Emily and Tracie talk aboutthe beloved 1975 film Rocky Horror Picture Show. From its influence on culture, fashion, music, and film to its catchy AF songs, there’s a lot to love in this genre-bending gender-bending mashu…
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Lucifer 325 + 326 "Boo Normal" & "Once Upon a Time"
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Send us a Text Message. “Boo Normal” & “Once Upon a Time” interrupt the flow of the Deckerstar storyline. These two episodes, though both boasting solid storytelling, tend to get skipped, fast-forwarded, or otherwise maligned by fans who cannot wait to find out what happens after Chloe unequivocally learns the truth in “A Devil of My Word.” Tracie …
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Deep Thoughts about The Breakfast Club
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Send us a Text Message. Don’t you…forget about misogyny…Don’t Don’t Don’t Don’t! On today’s episode of Deep Thoughts, Tracie takes another look at the 1985 John Hughes film The Breakfast Club. Though this classic Gen X teen movie passes the Bechdel test and explicitly names the prude-or-slut trap of female sexuality, it also treats Claire and Allis…
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Lucifer 323 + 324 "Quintessential Deckerstar" & "A Devil of My Word"
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Send us a Text Message. “Quintessential Deckerstar” & “Devil of My Word” are so packed full of goodness to unpack we had to make notes for our conversation to make sure we didn’t miss anything. When it comes to storytelling, these episodes provide some deeply satisfying (and tear-jerking) character development, especially for Dan (Kevin Alejandro),…
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