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Two Think Minimum

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Podcast of the Technology Policy Institute of Washington, D.C. The Technology Policy Institute is a think tank that focuses on the economics of innovation, technological change, and related regulation in the United States and around the world. Our mission is to advance knowledge and inform policymakers by producing independent, rigorous research and by sponsoring educational programs and conferences on major issues affecting information technology and communications policy.
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A casual podcast featuring two teenage hosts: Bryli and Denise. Listen to hear our thoughts on high school, society, pop culture, our lives, and just about anything else you can think about.
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What economic trends today will set the stage for the future? How will legislative actions impact student financial aid? What accounting policy or reporting changes are on the horizon? Navigating the business of higher education institutions requires knowledge about a variety of issues—from finance to campus security. In this podcast series, hear colleagues, experts, and industry leaders explore issues, provide best practices, offer solutions to new questions that may not have been asked bef ...
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In this episode of Two Think Minimum, Caroline Cecot, an associate professor of law at Antonin Scalia Law School at George Mason University, talks about her recent article "The Meaning of ‘Silence.’" The discussion focuses on the potential consequences of narrowing the applicability of the Chevron doctrine and consequences on the major questions do…
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Sharon Butler is deeply familiar with the “uneasiness and concerns” that international students face when it comes to paying tuition and other expenses. As Executive Vice President of Global Education at Flywire, a global payments enablement company that partners with institutions across the world, she is looking for solutions to these problems. In…
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On the heels of a recent fly-in advocacy day on Capitol Hill, NACUBO’s director, government affairs, Ashley Jackson speaks with policy and advocacy manager Neil Gavigan about the state of play in Congress. The conversation touches on highlights from that fly-in and examines how fallout from the protracted FY24 appropriations process, along with upc…
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The latest episode of the TPI Two Think Minimum podcast featured guest Megan McArdle, discussing pressing issues at the intersection of technology and society. The podcast covered several topics related to technology, policy, and societal impact, emphasizing the need for careful consideration of the implications of technological advancements and re…
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Every year, students and families rely on federal student aid to make decisions about higher education. As the Department of Education has struggled to implement a streamlined version of the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA), pressure has steadily increased on students, families, and the institutions that serve them. In this episode,…
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In this special episode, Kara Freeman, NACUBO’s president and CEO, interviews two familiar higher education colleagues about their recent book, The Resilient University: How Purpose and Inclusion Drive Student Success. Throughout the conversation, Freeman Hrabowski III, president emeritus, and Lynne Schaefer, vice president emerita for finance and …
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Holy Carp! It’s two episodes in two months! Sorry for the clickbait on the last title. The podcast isn’t going anywhere. If anything, Urban and I are planning on bringing more episodes to you this year and beyond. This time around, we discuss Lamy shenanigans and I try to describe Palworld without feeling like a horrible human being. Sponsor: Pen C…
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The journey to implementing spectrum auctions was not without its challenges. Evan Kwerel shed light on the initial resistance, particularly from the broadcasting industry and legislators. Concerns about market concentration and the potential costs of spectrum use were at the forefront of the debate. Despite these hurdles, the need for government r…
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This week we talk about burnout, where we’ve been, and some things other than pens. The show notes are short for this one. Sponsor: Pen Chalet: Go to Pen Chalet. Click on the Podcast link at the top of the page. Enter the code “2guys”, and take advantage of some amazing deals and a site wide coupon. Thank you to Pen Chalet for sponsoring 2 Guys 0 P…
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NACUBO’s Liz Clark, vice president, policy and research, speaks with Emily Brock from the Government Finance Officers Association (GFOA) about what’s expected from Washington policymakers this year. Emily is director of GFOA’s Federal Liaison Center and shares her thoughts on what legislative and regulatory actions may impact financings (bonds) and…
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On the most recent episode of TPI's podcast "Two Think Minimum," Dr. Meicen Sun, assistant professor in the School of Information Sciences at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign joined TPI's Scott Wallsten to discuss her research on the effects of a country's decision to control international internet traffic. She finds that China's Great F…
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In a conversation based around their NACUBO 2023 Annual Meeting session, Lou Mayer, chief finance officer, vice president of finance and treasurer and Tej Patel, vice president for information technology and chief information officer at Stevens Institute of Technology talk with Neil Gavigan, policy and advocacy manager at NACUBO about cyberattacks …
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On the latest episode of TPI's podcast "Two Think Minimum," Xiaomeng Lu, a director at Eurasia Group, discussed the evolving dynamics of US-China relations related to technology policy with TPI's Scott Wallsten and Sarah Oh Lam. The discussion included implications of the CHIPS Act, strategic competition, semiconductor manufacturing, and the broade…
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On this all-NACUBO episode of the podcast, Liz Clark, vice president, policy and research speaks with Kelli Rainey, senior director, grant programs about Kelli’s ongoing work to help institutions strategically finance equitable student outcomes. Supported by a series of multi-year grants, this effort has partnered NACUBO with a diverse group of 26 …
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Chris Harder, senior fiscal operations manager for student affairs at Metropolitan State University of Denver joins NACUBO’s Bryan Dickson, director, student financial services and educational programs, for a conversation about MSU Denver’s decision to pay its lowest earners more than legally required. Referring to the move as an “investment in the…
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NACUBO’s Liz Clark, vice president, policy and research speaks with Ann Ellis, CEO and co-founder of Mauve Group. Together, they discuss Ann’s early work as an educator and how Mauve Group has grown to offer a variety of global operations services in more than 100 countries “from Japan to Chile.” After realizing there were opportunities to offer ne…
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In the most recent episode of TPI's "Two Think Minimum" podcast, Michael Katz, Professor Emeritus at the Haas School of Business & Department of Economics, joined Tom Lenard, Sarah Oh Lam, and Scott Wallsten to discuss the intricacies of antitrust in light of current cases. The dialogue covered exclusionary behavior, with Katz highlighting potentia…
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Building on their institution’s legacy of serving disadvantaged students, Penny Evans-Plants, chief information officer and Zach Sherwin, director of enterprise analytics at Berry College join NACUBO’s Bryan Dickson, director of student financial services and educational programs to discuss their ongoing efforts to leverage existing data to better …
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With input from business officers at public and private colleges and universities across the country, NACUBO recently identified the most-pressing higher education business issues in 2023. NACUBO’s 2023 Rising Star Award recipient, Katie Walker, assistant vice president for finance at the University of Virginia, joins Liz Clark, vice president for …
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As we enter a new academic year and colleges and universities welcome new and returning students, NACUBO In Brief speaks with enrollment experts. In a conversation addressing different challenges facing enrollment officers, lessons learned from the pandemic, and more, Neil Gavigan, NACUBO’s policy and advocacy manager, sits down with Fabrizio D’Alo…
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This week we talk about a whole bunch of randomness from video games, to Guinea Pigs, to pens arriving late. It was a good conversation and it’s nice to see we can do one of these per month again! YAY! Sponsor: Pen Chalet: Go to Pen Chalet. Click on the Podcast link at the top of the page. Enter the code “2guys”, and take advantage of some amazing …
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On the latest episode of Two Think Minimum, Technology Policy Institute Senior Fellow Sarah Oh Lam and President and Senior Fellow Scott Wallsten welcomed Eugene Volokh, a distinguished law professor at UCLA School of Law, to discuss his new law review article on LLMs and liability for AI output. This episode focuses on the legal implications of AI…
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Hey! It didn’t take us 7 months to get to this episode. Join us as we talk about AI, Pen Sales, Dog Fur, and other Randomness. I really don’t know why I capitalized those words, but I’m just going to run with it. Sponsor: Pen Chalet: Go to Pen Chalet. Click on the Podcast link at the top of the page. Enter the code “2guys”, and take advantage of so…
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Discussing the latest release in NACUBO’s state of higher education series: More is Possible with Higher Education, NACUBO’s director, student financial services and educational programs, Bryan Dickson, speaks with senior director, analytics, Lindsay Wayt. Together, they examine some of the ways that higher education benefits students, communities,…
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On the latest episode of Two Think Minimum, TPI President and Senior Fellow Scott Wallsten and Senior Fellow Sarah Oh Lam interviewed Google’s Head of Economic Policy Research, Dr. Guy Ben-Ishai, about the impact of artificial intelligence (AI) on economic performance and policy. They delve into AI’s impacts on productivity and how the technology’s…
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Has it really been almost 7 months since the last episode?!?! I guess it has. Thank you for hanging in there during our pseudo-hiatus. I think we have a recording on the calendar here soon, so join us for this brief “what have we been doing” episode and let’s see if we can get another one in the can sooner rather than later. Sponsor: Pen Chalet: Go…
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Where do things stand for higher education as the Biden Administration attempts to govern with a now divided congress? What would a U.S. debt default – or a political deal – entail for institutions? Will the U.S. Supreme Court's judgments on student debt relief and the use of affirmative action practices in the admissions process have a significant…
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Nobody wants a college to close, but enrollment and demographic trends, accelerated by the COVID-19 pandemic, are requiring some colleges to consider what steps they may need to take to survive and thrive. For some, the only option may be a merger or affiliation with another institution. Join Michael B. Alexander, President, Lasell University; Kasi…
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On the latest TPI Two Think Minimum podcast, Tom Lenard and Sarah Oh Lam interview John Samples from the Oversight Board about the board's policy advisory opinion on COVID-19 misinformation. The podcast covers the challenges of content moderation on a large platform like Facebook, with millions of pieces of content needing to be dealt with daily an…
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In the final episode of a five-part series based on NACUBO’s Top Five Higher Education Business Issues of 2022 project, five members of the higher education community weigh in on the most pressing challenges facing students and what their organizations are doing to help create positive change. Responding to a two-part question from Neil Gavigan, NA…
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