We (Ashwin Purohit and Michael Chu) are software engineers, and talk weekly about making applications from scratch. Ashwin has a day job and work on Mandarin language-learning software in his free time. Michael quit his job entirely to help engineers navigate non-technical frustrations. The podcast happens in real-time: we talk about challenges as we face them. Getting customers, writing code, keeping ourselves sane, what works and what doesn’t, and everything in between. Let us know what you think and we’ll discuss your germane topic.