Stephen Kinzer - MK Ultra, the CIA and LSD

Dissident Orthodoxy

Legendary journalist Stephen Kinzer discusses his 2019 book Poisoner in Chief: Stanley Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind Control. As it turns out, the CIA is not to be trusted and, yes, US intelligence has a long and unbroken history of torture. But, no, there's not really such a thing as mind control. A decade or so of MK Ultra proved as much. As Kinzer says, "the only one mind control worked on was Gottlieb himsef."

Throughout the course of our conversation we also discover the reason John Lennon always remembered to thank the CIA and what accidentally sparked the brilliance of Ken Kesey and the Grateful Dead, turning out a generation of anti-war hippies.

We also discuss the potential benefits to using psychedelics in safe, responsible and therapeutic settings!

Stephen Kinzer is the author of many books, including The True Flag, The Brothers, Overthrow, and All the Shah’s Men. An award-winning foreign correspondent, he served as the New York Times bureau chief in Nicaragua, Germany, and Turkey. He is a senior fellow at the Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs at Brown University, and writes a world affairs column for the Boston Globe. He lives in Boston.

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