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- Kirtland Temple Purchased
- Frequencly Asked Questions
- Sites were closed on March 5th and will reopen on March 25th to the public without cost.
- Talks began in June 2021 for the purchase, will remain a historical building
- Cleveland Ohio Temple announced in April 2022, located in Independence, Ohio
- Site preparation is underway.
- Community of Christ Q&A
- Full list of Properties and items
- The church was looking at the possibility of letting go one third of staff in 2025. Financial transparency with graphs!
- COC Employees were offered the option of a position in Independence, Missouri, USA, including a relocation package, or continued employment in their current location through September 2024 with a severance package at that time.
- The COC retains historic sites in Plano, IL, Lamoni, IA, and Independence MO.
- The LDS church will provide the temple up to six times a year for meetings and gatherings. – What other groups will be allowed? – 2024 Mormon History Association in June.
- Kirtland Temple Suit
- Brigham Young and the 12 wanted to sell the Nauvoo and Kirtland Temples to finance the move to the west.
- Temple belonged to Joseph Smith at time of death, ownership is disputed and the temple is sold on the steps of the courthouse to settle his debts. Sells for $150 in 1860 and it eventually gets sold to Joseph Smith III. Several people try to use/buy/sell the temple, but are prevented due to the cloudy chain of title.
- JS III attempts to sell the temple again, but the RLDS presiding bishop sues him (as well as John Taylor) in 1875 and tries to argue that the temple belongs to the church because the deed is only good for the land under the temple.
- Judge dismissed the case, but indicated that the RLDS Church was the true successor of the Joseph Smith church because the LDS church had gone rogue, citing polygamy and Adam-God Doctrine.
- Although ownership remained disputed, the RLDS continued to use it and make repairs. By 1901, the ownership of the temple was made clear under the doctrine of adverse possession (“squatters rights” – more than 20 years of use).
- Without this care, the temple would have likely fallen into disrepair.
- Fate of the Kirtland Temple Joseph Smith Papers Podcast Episode 7
- Debunked that the temple was a stable for animals.
- John Hamer presentation on evolution of LDS/COC temples.
- Significant Nauvoo Properties
- Red Brick Store (Reconstructed) – First Endowments
- Mansion House – residence of the Smiths, entertained guests, briefly installed a bar.
- Nauvoo House – a commandment to build along with a temple. (Housed Smith bodies and the original manuscript of the BOM)
- JS & ES Homestead – does this include the Cemetery?
- Homes of Aaron Johnson, Sidney Rigdon, William Marks, Bidemon Stable
- Nauvoo Property map
- Videos from Community of Christ Leaders
- First Presidency
- Steven Veazy
- I agonized over the impact of the sale and wept for others.
- D&C 162:2a: Continue to listen to the stories of our past to prepare to move forward.
- Scott Murphy
- D&C 164:9e-f Will you remain hesitant in the fear of your competing loyalties? The mission of Jesus Christ is what matters most.
- Stassi Cramm (future president)
- Multiple years of spirited discussion, prayer, discernment.
- Honoring our history is not dependent on ownership.
- The sale agreement includes keeping the sites publicly accessible to all.
- The prospect of the sale felt unbearable, but we realized we were choosing people over property and paper.
- Steven Veazy
- Apostles
- Lacklan Makay
- Given the most tours of “Kirtland Temple” on anyone alive
- Spent 15 years living adjacent to the temple and 18 years living in the Nauvoo sites.
- Met wife in Red Brick Store, ordained a teacher in temple, his literal home for his adult life.
- “Devastating emotionally, I thought it might break me.”
- Feels like he has inherited pragmatism from JS III. Proceeds from the Smith family are a gift from them to our future.
- Art Smith
- Met wife as a historic sites intern, post-marriage dwellings.
- Not about the physical sites, but the stories they represent.
- Cathrine Mambwe
- Has never visited the Kirtland Temple, but is mourning with those that are sad. Loves the Independence Temple role it plays fulfills the purposes of the mission of the church.
- Mareva Arnaud Tchong
- Connected with the temple as a child in French Polynesia
- Lacklan Makay
- Presiding Bishopric
- Ron Harmon
- Grew up in Ohio, attending services in the temple
- Growing gap of income and expenses. Membership is aging and contributors dropping.
- The $192.5M does not fully address our needs
- Carla Young
- “Cultural trends affecting church participation are beyond our control,” “we are exploring new ways to convey our mission, but change takes time.”
- The sale was the only asset that could help change our trajectory in some parts of the world.
- The $192.5M will not cover projected decline in contributors, but it will cover income loss during the next 4-5 years and give time for leaders to develop more income streams.
- Ron Harmon
- Video Tour of the Kirtland Temple guided by Lacklan Makay was posted two days before the announcement.
- Temple has been a magnet and shared sacred space to different types of Latter day Saints.
- On the outside of the temple it says “The Church of the Latter-day Saints.”
- First Presidency
- Frequencly Asked Questions
Break
- Groundbreaking schedule and rendering released
- Teton River Idaho Temple
- Groundbreaking to be held on June 1, 2024
- To be presided by Ricardo P. Giménez
- 3 story temple with white exterior, very similar to Red Cliffs and Saratoga Springs Temple floor plans
- Slightly larger at 130,000 square feet (7th largest of the church)
- “Only city in the world with 2 temples on the same street” (2nd east)
- Located approximately 5 kilometers from each other.
- Teton River Idaho Temple
- Temple renderings released
- Birmingham England Temple
- Medieval English Parish Church design
- Coverage in The Guardian
- Lone Mountain Nevada Temple
- Large Spanish Mission design
- Looking similar to the Deseret Peak Temple
- Mckinney Texas Temple
- Clone of the Burley Idaho temple
- Slight difference in color, unique stained glass and exterior friezes.
- Clone of the Burley Idaho temple
- Budapest Hungary Temple
- Beige color exterior with a triangular steeple with three horizontal stripes at the top and bottom
- Very colorful stained glass with red and white flowers
- Birmingham England Temple
- Temple Sites Revealed
- Jacksonville Florida Temple
- Single story temple of 29,000 square feet
- 6.6 acre parcel on Loretto Road in south part of Jacksonville
- Site of a home with a large property and weird looking trees.
- Vancouver Washington Temple
- Multi-story temple of 43,000 square feet
- 15 acre site northwest corner of the intersection of SE 20th Street and SE Bybee Road in Camas, Washington
- Wooded location across from apartments and an office building
- Very coles to the Vancouver city boundary
- Jakarta Indonesia Temple
- Four story temple of 40,350 square feet
- Same Size as the Bengaluru India Temple
- Similarly to Bengaluru and Bangkok, located near a train station
- Appears to be the location of the the former “synthesis square” in South Jakarta
- Four story temple of 40,350 square feet
- Osaka Japan Temple
- Singles story temple of 29,630 square feet
- Site of the former Osaka International University Hirakata Campus
- Several large buildings, an amphitheater, and a soccer field
- Jacksonville Florida Temple
- Temple Renovations
- Provo Temple Closes
- Temple packed with patrons in the final weeks.
- Eulogy in Exponent II
- Decommissioning to begin in preparation for demolition
- New Temple will be known as the Provo Utah Rock Canyon Temple
- Provo City Center, Orem Temple, and Mount Timpanogos Temples to carry the load of patrons during the construction.
- Anchorage Alaska Temple (covered in AON)
- Preparation for the Demolition of the Stake Center
- Local Members organize with local organization to give away items from the meetinghouse
- Similar to what happened in Yuba City, CA
- Demolition Begins on stake center
- Temple topped by a bowling ball?
- Local Members organize with local organization to give away items from the meetinghouse
- Preparation for the Demolition of the Stake Center
- Manhattan New York Temple Closes
- Closed on March 2nd
- Building was originally acquired by the church in 1976
- Stockholm Sweden Temple
- Provo Temple Closes
- Construction and Approval Updates
- Bakersfield California Temple
- Architects submit request for modification of zoning to allow 124 feet tall temple where 60 feet is currently allowed.
- Likely a common procedure, but could face resistance
- Temple in Yorba Linda was redesigned to a lower height.
- Heber Valley Utah
- Bakersfield California Temple
- New temple presidents and matrons for new temples
- Coban Guatemala – Native Guatemalans living in Coban
- To be dedicated June 2024
- Salta Argentina Temple – from Cordoba
- To be dedicated June 2024
- Mendoza Argentina Temple – from Maipú de Cuyo
- Dedication not yet announced
- Tallahassee Florida Temple – From Tifton Georgia
- Dedication not yet announced
- Recently recognized with the Sidney Freedman Craftsmanship Award by the Precast/Prestressed Concrete Institute for demonstrating the versatility and aesthetic possibilities of precast concrete on the exterior.
- Coban Guatemala – Native Guatemalans living in Coban
- Apostles Traveling the world
- Gary Stevenson
- Nairobi Kenya Temple
- To be completed within the next two years
- Nairobi Kenya Temple
- Neil Andersen
- Alabang Philippines Temple
- Guided a tour of young people through the interior of the temple
- Where is their PPE?
- Overlapping visit with the visit of the TABCATS
- Guided a tour of young people through the interior of the temple
- Alabang Philippines Temple
- Ulisses Soares
- Puebla Mexico Temple
- Has two large auditorium meeting in Puebla and Guadalajara
- Meet with 8 Mexico city mission, 2 Puebla missions, and 2 Guadalajara mission
- Puebla Mexico Temple
- David Bednar and Patrick Kearon
- Abidjan Côte d’Ivoire Temple
- Stops in Nigeria, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Liberia
- Abidjan Côte d’Ivoire Temple
- Gary Stevenson
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- Kirtland Temple Purchased
- Frequencly Asked Questions
- Sites were closed on March 5th and will reopen on March 25th to the public without cost.
- Talks began in June 2021 for the purchase, will remain a historical building
- Cleveland Ohio Temple announced in April 2022, located in Independence, Ohio
- Site preparation is underway.
- Community of Christ Q&A
- Full list of Properties and items
- The church was looking at the possibility of letting go one third of staff in 2025. Financial transparency with graphs!
- COC Employees were offered the option of a position in Independence, Missouri, USA, including a relocation package, or continued employment in their current location through September 2024 with a severance package at that time.
- The COC retains historic sites in Plano, IL, Lamoni, IA, and Independence MO.
- The LDS church will provide the temple up to six times a year for meetings and gatherings. – What other groups will be allowed? – 2024 Mormon History Association in June.
- Kirtland Temple Suit
- Brigham Young and the 12 wanted to sell the Nauvoo and Kirtland Temples to finance the move to the west.
- Temple belonged to Joseph Smith at time of death, ownership is disputed and the temple is sold on the steps of the courthouse to settle his debts. Sells for $150 in 1860 and it eventually gets sold to Joseph Smith III. Several people try to use/buy/sell the temple, but are prevented due to the cloudy chain of title.
- JS III attempts to sell the temple again, but the RLDS presiding bishop sues him (as well as John Taylor) in 1875 and tries to argue that the temple belongs to the church because the deed is only good for the land under the temple.
- Judge dismissed the case, but indicated that the RLDS Church was the true successor of the Joseph Smith church because the LDS church had gone rogue, citing polygamy and Adam-God Doctrine.
- Although ownership remained disputed, the RLDS continued to use it and make repairs. By 1901, the ownership of the temple was made clear under the doctrine of adverse possession (“squatters rights” – more than 20 years of use).
- Without this care, the temple would have likely fallen into disrepair.
- Fate of the Kirtland Temple Joseph Smith Papers Podcast Episode 7
- Debunked that the temple was a stable for animals.
- John Hamer presentation on evolution of LDS/COC temples.
- Significant Nauvoo Properties
- Red Brick Store (Reconstructed) – First Endowments
- Mansion House – residence of the Smiths, entertained guests, briefly installed a bar.
- Nauvoo House – a commandment to build along with a temple. (Housed Smith bodies and the original manuscript of the BOM)
- JS & ES Homestead – does this include the Cemetery?
- Homes of Aaron Johnson, Sidney Rigdon, William Marks, Bidemon Stable
- Nauvoo Property map
- Videos from Community of Christ Leaders
- First Presidency
- Steven Veazy
- I agonized over the impact of the sale and wept for others.
- D&C 162:2a: Continue to listen to the stories of our past to prepare to move forward.
- Scott Murphy
- D&C 164:9e-f Will you remain hesitant in the fear of your competing loyalties? The mission of Jesus Christ is what matters most.
- Stassi Cramm (future president)
- Multiple years of spirited discussion, prayer, discernment.
- Honoring our history is not dependent on ownership.
- The sale agreement includes keeping the sites publicly accessible to all.
- The prospect of the sale felt unbearable, but we realized we were choosing people over property and paper.
- Steven Veazy
- Apostles
- Lacklan Makay
- Given the most tours of “Kirtland Temple” on anyone alive
- Spent 15 years living adjacent to the temple and 18 years living in the Nauvoo sites.
- Met wife in Red Brick Store, ordained a teacher in temple, his literal home for his adult life.
- “Devastating emotionally, I thought it might break me.”
- Feels like he has inherited pragmatism from JS III. Proceeds from the Smith family are a gift from them to our future.
- Art Smith
- Met wife as a historic sites intern, post-marriage dwellings.
- Not about the physical sites, but the stories they represent.
- Cathrine Mambwe
- Has never visited the Kirtland Temple, but is mourning with those that are sad. Loves the Independence Temple role it plays fulfills the purposes of the mission of the church.
- Mareva Arnaud Tchong
- Connected with the temple as a child in French Polynesia
- Lacklan Makay
- Presiding Bishopric
- Ron Harmon
- Grew up in Ohio, attending services in the temple
- Growing gap of income and expenses. Membership is aging and contributors dropping.
- The $192.5M does not fully address our needs
- Carla Young
- “Cultural trends affecting church participation are beyond our control,” “we are exploring new ways to convey our mission, but change takes time.”
- The sale was the only asset that could help change our trajectory in some parts of the world.
- The $192.5M will not cover projected decline in contributors, but it will cover income loss during the next 4-5 years and give time for leaders to develop more income streams.
- Ron Harmon
- Video Tour of the Kirtland Temple guided by Lacklan Makay was posted two days before the announcement.
- Temple has been a magnet and shared sacred space to different types of Latter day Saints.
- On the outside of the temple it says “The Church of the Latter-day Saints.”
- First Presidency
- Frequencly Asked Questions
Break
- Groundbreaking schedule and rendering released
- Teton River Idaho Temple
- Groundbreaking to be held on June 1, 2024
- To be presided by Ricardo P. Giménez
- 3 story temple with white exterior, very similar to Red Cliffs and Saratoga Springs Temple floor plans
- Slightly larger at 130,000 square feet (7th largest of the church)
- “Only city in the world with 2 temples on the same street” (2nd east)
- Located approximately 5 kilometers from each other.
- Teton River Idaho Temple
- Temple renderings released
- Birmingham England Temple
- Medieval English Parish Church design
- Coverage in The Guardian
- Lone Mountain Nevada Temple
- Large Spanish Mission design
- Looking similar to the Deseret Peak Temple
- Mckinney Texas Temple
- Clone of the Burley Idaho temple
- Slight difference in color, unique stained glass and exterior friezes.
- Clone of the Burley Idaho temple
- Budapest Hungary Temple
- Beige color exterior with a triangular steeple with three horizontal stripes at the top and bottom
- Very colorful stained glass with red and white flowers
- Birmingham England Temple
- Temple Sites Revealed
- Jacksonville Florida Temple
- Single story temple of 29,000 square feet
- 6.6 acre parcel on Loretto Road in south part of Jacksonville
- Site of a home with a large property and weird looking trees.
- Vancouver Washington Temple
- Multi-story temple of 43,000 square feet
- 15 acre site northwest corner of the intersection of SE 20th Street and SE Bybee Road in Camas, Washington
- Wooded location across from apartments and an office building
- Very coles to the Vancouver city boundary
- Jakarta Indonesia Temple
- Four story temple of 40,350 square feet
- Same Size as the Bengaluru India Temple
- Similarly to Bengaluru and Bangkok, located near a train station
- Appears to be the location of the the former “synthesis square” in South Jakarta
- Four story temple of 40,350 square feet
- Osaka Japan Temple
- Singles story temple of 29,630 square feet
- Site of the former Osaka International University Hirakata Campus
- Several large buildings, an amphitheater, and a soccer field
- Jacksonville Florida Temple
- Temple Renovations
- Provo Temple Closes
- Temple packed with patrons in the final weeks.
- Eulogy in Exponent II
- Decommissioning to begin in preparation for demolition
- New Temple will be known as the Provo Utah Rock Canyon Temple
- Provo City Center, Orem Temple, and Mount Timpanogos Temples to carry the load of patrons during the construction.
- Anchorage Alaska Temple (covered in AON)
- Preparation for the Demolition of the Stake Center
- Local Members organize with local organization to give away items from the meetinghouse
- Similar to what happened in Yuba City, CA
- Demolition Begins on stake center
- Temple topped by a bowling ball?
- Local Members organize with local organization to give away items from the meetinghouse
- Preparation for the Demolition of the Stake Center
- Manhattan New York Temple Closes
- Closed on March 2nd
- Building was originally acquired by the church in 1976
- Stockholm Sweden Temple
- Provo Temple Closes
- Construction and Approval Updates
- Bakersfield California Temple
- Architects submit request for modification of zoning to allow 124 feet tall temple where 60 feet is currently allowed.
- Likely a common procedure, but could face resistance
- Temple in Yorba Linda was redesigned to a lower height.
- Heber Valley Utah
- Bakersfield California Temple
- New temple presidents and matrons for new temples
- Coban Guatemala – Native Guatemalans living in Coban
- To be dedicated June 2024
- Salta Argentina Temple – from Cordoba
- To be dedicated June 2024
- Mendoza Argentina Temple – from Maipú de Cuyo
- Dedication not yet announced
- Tallahassee Florida Temple – From Tifton Georgia
- Dedication not yet announced
- Recently recognized with the Sidney Freedman Craftsmanship Award by the Precast/Prestressed Concrete Institute for demonstrating the versatility and aesthetic possibilities of precast concrete on the exterior.
- Coban Guatemala – Native Guatemalans living in Coban
- Apostles Traveling the world
- Gary Stevenson
- Nairobi Kenya Temple
- To be completed within the next two years
- Nairobi Kenya Temple
- Neil Andersen
- Alabang Philippines Temple
- Guided a tour of young people through the interior of the temple
- Where is their PPE?
- Overlapping visit with the visit of the TABCATS
- Guided a tour of young people through the interior of the temple
- Alabang Philippines Temple
- Ulisses Soares
- Puebla Mexico Temple
- Has two large auditorium meeting in Puebla and Guadalajara
- Meet with 8 Mexico city mission, 2 Puebla missions, and 2 Guadalajara mission
- Puebla Mexico Temple
- David Bednar and Patrick Kearon
- Abidjan Côte d’Ivoire Temple
- Stops in Nigeria, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Liberia
- Abidjan Côte d’Ivoire Temple
- Gary Stevenson
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