12. Starting a Travel Vlog and Traveling Full Time @ The Vigar Feeling

A Travel Path Podcast

00:00 Intro

03:07 What is your work-life like when traveling?

05:07 What were your YouTube channel expectations, and have they been met?

07:27 How long does it take to edit a vlog?

09:17 Did you have any vlogging or editing experience before you started?

10:17 What camera and video editing software do you use?

12:11 What advice would you have if you were to restart your YouTube channel?

13:07 Did you spend a lot of time looking at YouTube Analytics?

17:17 How long did it take you to decide to quit your jobs and travel?

18:40 What were the biggest frustrations you faced while traveling?

19:45 Was it your first time in a motorhome when you went full time?

21:52 Would you buy a 19 year old RV again?

24:20 What do you love the most about your travel lifestyle?

27:31 What is your budget when you are traveling full time?

31: 12How do you get internet while traveling?

32:21 What is your favorite travel experience?

33:40 What is one thing you learned you can’t live without while traveling?

34:52 What is one thing you learned you didn’t need?

35:52When did you know was the right time to travel?

38:31 What could someone do right now to get started traveling?

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The Travel Path Podcast has officially gone international! We had a great time chatting with Mike and Chelsea from the Vigar Feeling. After several attempts and having to reschedule, we finally were able to connect from all the way across the Atlantic Ocean. It was a super inspiring story we are excited to share with you. In today’s episode you’ll hear all about:

Their insight and frustrations on growing a YouTube channel

How they decided to travel now while they young so they can make the most of it

Things they have learned after buying a 19 year old RV for the first time before hitting the road

And much more!

Full episode at:

https://atravelpath.com/podcast/

Blogs:

Wiltshire Blogs: https://atravelpath.com/wiltshire-england/

For those wondering, 30,000 pounds is about the equivalent of $38,000.

Music from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!): https://uppbeat.io/t/abbynoise/rocky-mountains

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Adobe Premier Pro

GoPro 10

Mavic DJI Mavic 3

Canon R5 Camera

Netgear Nighthawk

Camping:

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Previous Episodes Mentioned:

Episode 9: Linnea and Akela

Episode 6: Airstreamer

Episode 1: Dylan

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Ryan Shirley

Matts RV Reviews

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Transcript from YouTube:

well I did not expect the travel path podcast to be International so soon but Mike and Chelsea welcome to the travel path podcast hello welcome it's great to be here thank you for having us yes you guys are reporting all the way from England and this has been a long time coming I think we reached out about 3 months ago had a couple of reschedules and issues with RV which I'm sure we'll get into later on in the episode but we know you as the viager feeling on Instagram and on YouTube you guys have some incredible content all over the world the Eastern side of the globe there's places that we have never seen or heard of before and the wildlife content and the Drone content it's literally like National Geographic it's crazy I encourage people to go check out your channel after this podcast is over why don't we start by having you share a little about yourself and then letting us know what your current travel lifestyle looks like so at the moment we are traveling in our Mo home um we're trying to see as many places in Europe or around the world as possible and we started off by we just sold everything and just went for our dreams didn't we yeah we do a lot of um hiking and uh Mountain climbs and we thought that would tie in brilliantly with our travels so went for it awesome yeah and one of the videos I remember we saw in the thumbnail on it is amazing but it's the ladder hike you did in Austria where it looks like you're literally hiking a ladder to the sky it's crazy I'm sure we'll be talking about that later on the episode but um you quit your jobs you're 9 to five what did your work life looked like when you were traveling uh when we're traveling so it's it's we got pretty hectic lifestyle haven't we because we're doing the hikes that sometimes take eight hours with the filming um and then all the other things like filling up water getting places to stay so we for a while were nonstop I think that we probably went even maybe two or three months without even having like a proper day off to stop um and then there was a couple of times when we did hikes and we're like right we haven't got enough footage or it's not exactly what we want so we went back and redid these hikes and we've talked about it in some of our other videos but yeah we're just nonstop yeah I mean we've we've been up mountains twice because more because of me because I think the footage isn't good enough so I have to drag her along to come up it again so well that's good that'll make you guys expert on those Trails right and travel is a full-time it's a full-time job with you know dealing with the rig and planning where you're going and doing a hike once or twice so yeah we told this to each I told this to you hope last night when you're watching your videos it looked like like it probably took you three times longer to hike that trail those mountains than it would take a normal person because you were putting cameras down you were stopping to do Drone footage so there's a lot and you just said you did it twice so yeah um so in terms of work so you weren't like working remotely for another company you were working it sounded like it was more vlogging you were trying to grow your YouTube channel and do that so we can relate to that quite a bit it sounds like our path where we saved up we weren't working for anybody else we wanted to explore this new desire this new dream of doing vlogging and YouTube and travel vlogging full-time um cuz we had seen when we were planning our trip channels that were doing that it looked like a realistic thing to do so we got into that and we enjoyed it quite a bit so what were your expectations getting into YouTube and travel vlogging and so far has the channel lived up to them it's been it's been very difficult to um get subscribers and views on YouTube but we've come across really hasn't it yeah and I think we thought it was going to be a lot easier and um same with you guys you do a lot of filming and more not not so much vlogging where there's a lot of channels out there that do vlogging and that's great but the difference between vlogging and getting real cinematic uh nature shots is completely different so we're we're out there filming a lot longer and bless Mike honestly sometimes he'll wake up at 8: a.m. start editing and he's still on the computer until like 10 p.m. um but we really thought that it would take off quicker and like you said some of the bigger channels you think oh wow like they've put out some of these videos and they got so many subscribers yeah he just think it'll be a lot easier I think um and it isn't it isn't easy and um yeah YouTube's difficult because you kind of just get lost within the millions and millions of people that use it and yeah it's difficult isn't it to to to get anywhere with YouTube I think we're not actually currently monetized um so we're still looking to build up watch time and we've got a long way to go still haven't so and I think we also wanted to really stick away from and we we talk about this a lot we wanted to stay away from the click baiting yeah we just didn't want to I mean We've joked about it a few times and we're like no that's not being true to ourselves we don't want to go down that route and I know there's some channels that do it but we just wanted to completely stay away from that and yeah well I really appreciate appreciate your honesty here sharing the difficulties of YouTube because you already see a lot of channels and I think it's difficult on two fronts you mentioned the editing it just takes a long time just to get a video done but at the same time once that video is done there's the difficulties in having it grow and there's just so much competition but going that back to that first point how much time would you say your videos are anywhere between like 10 25 minutes long how much time does it take to do a video I think your videos take longer than ours just based on watching them it looks like the editing is done like on the next level but I almost came to the conclusion it was give or take like an hour per minute every minute the video was it took like an hour to make somewhere somewhere around that maybe even longer sometimes sometimes I'll do a few minutes and then I'm just not happy with it and I'll scrap it and redo the whole thing again or I'll change the music to it because I'm not happy with the music yeah so then it even it takes even longer to get those minutes back yeah um but yeah it for me it takes long time I think I'm more because um I'm never really happy with a lot of the footage I get I want I I try to make it perfect but I I feel as if it never is perfect if that makes sense so uh too much of a perfectionist I say you're your toughest critic right it's tough to be you can't be perfectionist yeah that makes it tough and then sometimes after it goes live you'll watch it and you'll after viewing it and editing it a thousand times you're like why did I leave that in yeah yeah yeah yeah I think it's been amazing though like the and I'm sure you guys that the comments that come in and then you just think okay this is really like it's worth it to meet so many new amazing people and to yeah have people compliment your your work and yeah and that's what's quite nice about YouTube is that you you get to meet new people and and really nice great people and you don't really get that opportunity in life very often especially not in the UK really yeah sure especially people that share that same interest right in the travel and the hiking it's it's nice to build that own Community around something that you really enjoy exactly yeah yeah did you have any video editing or vlogging experience before you started pursuing this we didn't have any uh vlogging experience um to be honest one of our first movies we we made we found it quite difficult to talk to a camera and we didn't really know how to do it or what to say and with video editing uh when I was um probably around 12 years old till 15 years old I used to do a lot of um skateboarding and I had one of the latest versions of um Adobe Premier Pro it was a 7.0 version yeah so was a very old version and I used to record and um document skate skateboarding movies so that's where I kind of learn a lot of how to use um professional editing software and uh cameras as well how to use how to manage video cameras what cameras do you use when you're vlogging now and what's the editing software you're using uh so we use um ad do Premier Pro we use um a GoPro 10 is that right GoPro 10 and then you've got your drone haven't you yeah so I've got a a Maverick uh free um DJI mavic free Drone and a uh Canon R5 uh camera I think we're looking to get some while we're in England get some more different cameras yes so we want to get a a 360 yeah uh camera for when we hike and things like that yeah because when we're climbing sometimes it's a little bit hard to hold the GoPro and climb so I think we want to see different types of equipment what would be better for us and we going back to that expectation and we picked up the Canon R7 we were about I think 10 days into a road trip and we had we were having the time of our lives we were on Cloud 9 we were basically we we we were enjoying the vlogging part we were seeing some amazing things so we and we knew like our channel is just going to take off once we get back and start uploading content so we bought the Canon R7 fast forward to when we are actually editing content and uploading content to YouTube you know you post one video doesn't really take off you post second one third one then you we would look back and see how the video was performing like one of the first like epic video we did was Badlands National Park we go and check on it not only did it not really do much but then there were like three or four other videos that got posted that week in that area and they were all equally as good that moment there we kind of learned oh there's a lot of competition out there and we never saw ourselves as having like the hundreds of thousand subscribers but we figured maybe that 10,000 or so range and you know make it enough for it could be worth a while and you know make some money off it maybe have it you know provided an income source for a next trip something like that but it's been um it's it's definitely taken its time for sure what advice would you have for yourself if you were starting over in doing this again maybe just it's going to take a while so be patient and I think really reaching out to other people has really helped um with the YouTube Not only just to make friends but to get to know other people's channels and to kind of yeah maybe I would like to add that a little bit and kind of yeah little bits here and there and and yeah it's a really hard one I think it probably depends on what kind of Channel you are because I feel like some Channel some topics really take off and some are a lot harder to get into really so it's time and patience and yeah I think like Mike said at first we weren't sure if we wanted to be completely vlogging or we wanted to be cinematic so maybe the first couple of videos It's finding out where you want to be without being really wishy-washy if that kind of makes sense did you spend a lot of time looking at the analytics on YouTube uh we didn't at first no not at first we didn't um but then yeah we at one point we got start getting really obsessive with it um but now we just kind of take a step back um and just let it do whatever it does now um yeah we we started becoming quite obsessive with trying to build our Channel and yeah it was almost become depressing because it's almost like well why isn't this working and we put so much time so much money and so much effort into this and we're not getting anywhere and then in the end you just got to think you know let it do whatever you want to do we're still having a great time and that's what it's really about is the experience as opposed to doing it for other people I guess yeah you'll have those memories forever you'll have that footage to go back and look at it in a few years you're being your authentic self you're figuring out how you want to make these movies and I think that's one of the most important things is the process can be challenging but enjoy it along the way yeah definitely but yeah we were on the same page look just glued we spent a couple of weeks just Glu to the analytics we listen to you know the podcast or we listen we read the book YouTube secrets we tried to implement all these things and you it sounded it seemed like you would hear like 10 different things from 10 different people right one person or one thing we're listening to is it's it's that first 302 retention rate so we'd look at that we try and change our retention rates and then we would see that you know some of our like one of our worst performing videos there was a video at theore Roosevelt National Park had an insanely High retention rate after like 30 seconds but it flopped it didn't have any good views and then like same thing with thumbnails we would try doing thumbnails and you can drive yourself crazy like doing analytics and yeah it gets to a point where it's just like I said you kind of take a step back let it do its thing as long as you're having a good time you know you just keep plugging away keep chugging yeah I think I got to a point like every morning I wake up and like do we have any more subscribers what is our watch time

on have you ever seen your videos decrease um uh watched uh with views we have yeah yeah with views we have which is strange yeah yeah that's we had one video was like 134 views and then it was at 94 I was like what that's crazy I think that's the point we like you know what we're just going to let this do its thing yeah yeah at the moment we're we're seeing our um watch time go down um because it's been a year now with our other movies it's kind of the watch times battling against each other with the the new content we're releasing and with the old content that's being lost with watch time yeah we're lucky we don't have the subscribers yet but like we had we have one video our VOR video that has like 4,000 hours of watch time everything else is like not near that so we have the watch time because of that one video but everything else if we didn't have that we'd still be behind on watch time and the subscribers obviously we're at like 700 or so now it's like one video and it took off out of nowhere like we it was on YouTube for like a year and then all of a sudden it just like was getting subscribers and Views and watch time and so you never know when something's going to go viral yeah well thank you guys for sharing I think this is an important episode for somebody looking to get into whether full-time or part-time they want to explore travel vlogging um I think this sets a very realistic expectation on on what to expect and I encourage you to check to check out if you're looking to get into traveling full-time and vlogging full-time to check out Chelsea and Mike's channel the viager feeling and just see how their content is it's incredible content and those are the types of channels like they mentioned it didn't take off like they expected it to but if you were to compare that to any other channel that is I mean the quality is there so there's you need to set like those realistic expectations we can I guess move on a little bit into so the actual travel aspect so rewinding a little bit before you took your travel I know you were traveling for quite a while before you took this long trip but you did quit your job 9 to5 how long did it take you to come to the conclusion that you wanted to quit your job and then pursue this traveling full-time I think you had the you thought about it first really didn't you for for a long time Mike was thinking about it even before we were together um and I was a little bit like maybe maybe not um and I think we kind of just went to it we saw our van when when we went to look at her and we were like right this is the van this is what we want it's got everything we need kind of went from there didn't it yeah we just jumped yeah it just kind of like what's it like spiraled and we were like okay we're ready let's go yeah we didn't plan much we just

went when it's a raid it's right you know so fast forwarding when you actually got on the road what were some of the big frustrations you faced while traveling finding places to uh Park and to sleep over I think um because we've traveled lots of different countries and I must say England's one of the hardest places where we went to Scotland first to find somewhere to stay and not kind of be moved on it's such a small place and so many motor homes and Van go over there um that was really quite difficult wasn't it it was yeah um and it all depends on we we found whatever season it is it's especially summer months it's very difficult to travel in in some countries we like to stay off grid quite a lot and um not have to pay for campsites as much but in the south of Germany we had to pay every night for a campsite because you just can't sleep in layb uh they move you on um so you actually have to go to a csite yeah and I think also starting was it's kind of knowing our routine like how often are we going to need to fill up water um how often do we just getting like how often do we do these things or go shopping or yeah it's just getting into a routine where you don't have a house you don't have a full fridge or a toilet you don't have to empty and it's just getting to know all the new different aspects of a motor home life I think yeah when you were traveling beforehand so I know you were hiking and doing epic things before you got into your motor home were you traveling in a motor home or was this your first time in a motor home when you started going full-time first time first time really wow yeah you guys are brave we didn't know anything about motor homes really did we and we we bought one and had to learn everything about it yeah uh and obviously YouTube and things like this helped us out um I feel like we've been doing it for a year and a half and we're only just feel like we're just ticking all the boxes now because it's there's always something that Springs up and you think oh I didn't think about that um maybe we should get this instead and yeah one one thing for me was the um what I found difficult was um uh gas cylinders and so we bought British gas cylinders with um e EU adapters so we could refill our gas cylinders uh the problem is with um the in the UK we have a uh a leftand frad and everyone else has a right-and frad if I say or vice versa um so the adapts they sent us I didn't check them and we went away and I went to screw this thing on and it didn't work um so I couldn't refill the bottles so then we had to get gas bottles from France and then we went to Spain and I had to get new gas bottles for Spain new gas bottles for Portugal with the adapters as well so we spent a fortune continually buying new gas bottles and new gas uh cylinder attachments and pipes as well um that was quite frustrating wasn't it we now buy French gas cylinders only cuz France is kind of in the middle of all the places we visit anyway but yeah that was a that was a massive frustration for us wasn't it to begin with Lefty tidy ready Lucy is a thing I never would have guessed that in the RV you bought Luna that was a 19-year-old motor home did you have any experience well I know you did a lot of work renovating yourself but there were issues you had some dampness you had mice in your RV would you do that again would you buy a 19-year-old motor home if you starting this over again was there more work involved in upkeeping than you expected I feel like more things went wrong than we expected but I think talking to other motor homers it is just what happened there's some someone we talked to they had a fiveyear motor home five-year old motor home and they had damp problems as well so I think sometimes it is pot luuck we were really lucky because the people we bought the motor home off they were only the second owners and the first owners were their parents and unfortunately the gearbox went on Luna before we bought it so they had to pay out for that but I think which is quite an expense as you probably know anyone to buy a motor home I think you just have to have these things are probably going to go wrong at some point um and also if you to buy anything newer we wouldn't have been able to travel really because we didn't have the money to buy anything newer yeah it's difficult because we couldn't buy anything brand new yeah we only I mean we only spent um 20,000 on our motor home and if we would to put another 10,000 into it I can imagine it would only have knocked off a few more years whereas we could have had boiler issues again fridge issues again uh damp issues um yeah it's difficult to predict it is difficult to predict I we bought brand new and we had a long list of issues that happen with us so you and I think as an RV owner you have to expect it one thing I learned from Matt's RV reviews on YouTube he talked about how you're literally driving this thing through hurricanes and earthquakes and tornadoes you're going down the road bumpy roads things are going to happen so just be prepared for issues and you touched on overnight sleeping and that's that is one of the challenges just to kind of Link this back to the United States that's one thing during our road trip we faced was overnight camping and sleeping and that's one thing we did not expect to have to deal with was like several nights we were trying to find a place to stay and in episode 9 we talked with lanaa and Tequila she mentioned she has zero issues finding places to sleep and she's full-time in her van and the reason for that is because she's more remote we were going to more more destination National Park touristy areas and she recommended apps like onx eye Overlander in the dirt where she find her places to stay so that was a challenge if you're looking to do a cross country trip or an RV trip in the United States it can be tough but if you're a little more remote you can find places to to stay yeah that's good all right so we talked about some of the bad news and the frustrations we'll switch to some of the good news what do you love most about your travel lifestyle uh I feel just being bit more free I yeah seeing all these amazing places and but it's really funny so we obviously love mountains and as we were driving to the German Alps we were both like oh my God oh my God look at these Mountains they're massive um we because in England there are lots they're pretty small mountains that we have um so yeah just being free and kind of yeah just being it's just freedom and um kind of being out of the system more um yeah and and it's almost true living where you live to survive rather than you live to you live to work to get money to survive if that makes sense um and one of the coolest things too is when you're traveling you know in our age group right you you can do so much more right A lot of people that take these extended trips to go to Europe to go cross country and see the national parks in the USA you know they do that as a retirement goal and so they're just going to those overlooks and they're seeing the mountains and they're beautiful but they're not climbing up them like you and you guys are doing that now which I think is probably one of the most freeing things is that you have the capabilities to not just travel but experience it in a way that most people don't yeah and that's that's the the very reason why we did it our at our age now because we knew that once we retire we wouldn't be able to do all the things we enjoy um so ex exactly the reason why we just took took our opportunity and it's a big thing selling your home and not having anywhere to live apart from a motor home but um yeah it you you only get this opportunity once in my opinion and just got to go for it yeah we've met so many people along the road saying oh we wish we did it with we were your age and and I'm not so sure so much with your situation but we we don't have kids or we don't have animals and no one's really relying on us so let's take the opportunity while we don't have um so many yeah I'm not sure what the word is yeah people to yeah yeah that's it yeah y yeah we're in the exact same phase where we don't have those commitments and we met people on our trip they asked us how we could do it we we got asked enough s by people wondering how we were able to do this we wanted to start this podcast and share with people and you know we're in the same position we pursued this travel vlogging thing got a taste for it so far it hasn't met the expectations that you know either of us wanted it to but we're young we're we can bounce back you know we're hard workers we can find other ways to make money while we're still pursuing this and then you know keep chipping away yeah y good we'll switch gears a little bit to the financial part of traveling full-time what does your budget look like um Jo it's really bad uh first couple of months we kind of we didn't really keep on top of a lot of things I think we were just so excited we were like yeah let's go do this let's go do that and I have now made us a little uh a chart to keep on top of what we do for leisure what we spend on food yeah like Financial spreadsheets things like that a lot of ours was on petrol or diesel to start with because we were doing long distance um runs but also depending on what country you go to so we just went through Bosnia and it was super cheap um and we had come from Austria and Germany so it was like two totally different sides of the spectrum so anywhere really between maybe 400 to a thousand depending on where we are and how he's laugh sounds bad when we've got no money coming in I think in a year and a half we' probably spent over 30 grand yeah we've had we've had a lot of work with our boiler and now our fridge is gone and oh I haven't included those oh theist go I mean 30,000 just traveling with food and pounds 30,000 yeah uh probably 45,000 I don't know a lot closer now I think the pound and the I'm not sure work out the lifestyle you're living traveling fulltime the biggest expense is fuel diesel fuel in your case because you're driving a lot and that's been the pattern where people who are driving a lot their biggest expense is fuel versus if you're more stationary you're still traveling fulltime but you're staying in places longer it's groceries it's other expenses yeah but either way I mean we've we've tried to budget a lot um like we don't go to many restaurants um and spend out big bits of cash we do kind of we always go to discount supermarkets and yeah so we've we've tried to budget as much as we can yeah our next time out is going to be very limited like do we really need to go to that place or is it just because we want to go um are we going to benefit from it and it's great that obviously we love going to the mountains because it doesn't really cost that much no but we did go a little crazy in our first couple months and spent a lot of money yeah but I think you have to prepare for the first couple of months to just know that like you get in that mode of like I need to do everything I need to go everywhere I need to experience the food the culture the activities um and that does wear off as you travel a little bit more you do hone into that budget but I think we're who wherever you start however long you're going just expect that first few weeks few days few months to just you know be where the bulk of your money goes yeah that's a tip we learned from Jim and Michelle from airst streamer a couple episodes back where yeah it was that honeymoon phase the first couple months they didn't budget they just wanted to see what it was and then they were like okay we need to tame this down a little bit and a really good tip we learned from Dylan way back in episode one was in terms of fuel cuz fuel is your biggest expenses looking at Google Maps seeing how far you're driving and then adding like 50% to the miles like when we did our cross country trip we planned it was a it was a 10,000 M trip and we planned for like 11,000 Mi for some reason we didn't think we'd be driving that much in between you know going back and forth national parks and we ended up driving like 1,000 mil so it's almost 50% a little bit more than what Google Maps tells you as what your route is yeah that's good advice how do you get internet and cell service when you're traveling we have a a net gear modem a travel one which um requires a telephone SIM card our Sim we we carry free SIM cards two for each one of our phones and then one for this internet box that we have and our plan um pretty much covers uh all of the EU for free unlimited data unlimited text unlimited calls so we bought quite big packages um I think your edit the editing on the computer takes quite a lot of data so yeah want a a big data plan yeah so we've got like this uh Netgear night talk it's called and it's pretty good it it get it pretty much gets internet anywhere doesn't it um where our phones get it it will it will manage to get internet somewhere yeah and I bought like a little uh signal booster to it like an antenna as well which you plug in yeah works really well nice we'll put a link in the show notes for everything we talked about in today's show a couple more questions before you wrap everything up what has been the coolest experience you guys have had while traveling I think I don't know I think you love Japan didn't you was it your coess experience I think so yeah so we had to uh we to see Mount Fuji and it took us four trips up 200 sets of stairs to see finally see it because it had was just covered in clouds and it was really lovely the the time that we saw it cuz we had been there like you said our fourth time there was a whole crowd of people everyone was there for hours and all of a sudden it just decided to to show up and yeah so to be able to see that like a day or so before we fly home was pretty amazing yeah Japan was a a beautiful place and I've always wanted to to visit all my life and it was just it was magical to be able to go in the um cherry blossom season as well and yeah it was just the the people there are are great people they're really polite and it was it was one of the best places we've ever been yeah yeah it was very different awesome you guys have a video on that we'll Link in the show notes as well after spending so much time traveling what is one thing you've learned that you cannot live without I know it sounds really silly but probably my phone and I know it sounds very like um techno I would say it's your hair dryer I don't use my hair dryer H my phone because we do so much on it it's it's networking with people on YouTube it's our navigation it's booking places yeah yeah yeah it's true and like I never want because we want to be free I never want to say technology I rely on it so much but it does so much for us with anything else there almost there almost always a way around something you know if your shower breaks go into a lake or whatever it might be yeah um but yeah to be able to to navigate and book places and uh find the correct information for the places you want to visit or hike um yeah we'll probably be quite lost without our phones yeah without that information yeah without the internet I guess was there anything that you thought you would need while you were traveling that you realized that you really didn't I probably wouldn't take so so many clothes so I took a lot of um items to keep me busy so I took uh like a German no it wasn't German it was a French book to learn how to speak French but you're so busy when you're on the road whether it's filling up water or um going shopping or just cleaning yeah we thought we'd have a lot more time didn't we to kind of Doss around and yeah I thought it'd be more hippie-ish where we could kind of just lay around and not do so much but it is is constantly on the go there's always something to do or it's not it's it's not a holiday it's traveling in a at home I mean it's not relaxing no no not as relaxing as we thought it was going to be yeah if you could have listened to this podcast when you were first starting out on your road trip what is one question you wish I asked today and how would you answer that now when did you know was the right time to travel um so a lot I get asked this quite a lot we get asked this quite a lot and I honestly feel like there isn't always the right time to travel it's whether it goes in with your lifestyle or not at any age you can travel whether you're older um and you just want to kind of go around the cities or you're our age and you want to hike the mountains yeah the right time to travel is whenever the right time to travel is for you but I would always say make sure you've got enough money to back whatever you need to do because something can always go wrong like with us the boiler or the fridge um it ate into our traveling expenses and to really plan as much as possible so the first time we went out we didn't plan all of our stops um and it was really quite confusing and um it was just really hectic because we're like well should we go here or should we go there but the second time we came to Europe we had everything pinned on the map like okay well today we're going to do this and then in a few days we're going to go to this place and it just made everything so much easier I mean we found ourselves driving halfway down one country and then looking up on the map and being like well actually we've missed a place then we'd have to go back up again to come back down again and it was just really messy and it consumed quite a lot of fuel as well say yeah I think that's a really good point too is sometimes you in one spot and you have the next point that you're headed to but sometimes you have to take that step back and actually look and say okay what's right here where I am right now cuz there's a ton of times where we drove you know hundreds of miles out and I was like oh shoot you know that thing was actually way back there that we were 10 minutes away from and so taking that time too to just slow down look at your surroundings and where you are right now before you worry about you know what's the next point on your map and going back to just jumping in not that we're advising you know you jump in if you're not financially ready to live on Road it depends on your tolerance like we wanted a foundation where we had enough saved up where we could take this trip and it sounds like you and I were on the same page in this road trips everybody we've talked to they're more expensive than people think they're going to be you know be smart about it go through expenses listen to this podcast and hear what other people talking about how much they're spending on things like that do as much preparing as you can and then you know get into it and get out there and go see these amazing things for somebody listening to this podcast right now who would like to set up a lifestyle similar to yours what is one thing they could start doing today similar to what you just said like um I would never put myself in debt um for this lifestyle I would always make sure you've got enough um savings and enough information on how to pursue the travel lifestyle and yeah it all depends on what your interests are and yeah I just I just always like kind of recommend anyone to not go into debt for this life stuff it's so much more difficult coming home and I think for us like maybe going back thinking okay let's put x amount of money to one side in case there is an emergency before we went traveling we didn't do that um so always have like a little Safety Net in case something does go wrong whether it's medical or it's the vehicle you're in or the hotel or whatever it is so you've always got that little bit of emergency pot in case anything does happen yeah mainly money get great were there any YouTube channels or books or other influences that got you onto this path to travel I think we came across um someone called Ryan Shirley and he covers when he goes to each country he really covers um the really important things so it's he just says this is a great place this is a great place it's like top top 20 places to visit in each country um yeah it just really gets to the point doesn't it because sometimes we we're looking on Google or however we're trying to find the best places to go to and we might go to his channel and be like oh we we missed that that looks like an amazing place to go to and now like meeting other people especially like we definitely want to go to America like that's how dream was to get Luna to America so definitely American YouTubes have been amazing for us and we've started making a list be like oh we want to go to this state to do this and awesome all right we we'll uh we'll link some of those channels you had mentioned in our show notes below and while my audience is checking out while our audience is checking out those channels where can they find out more about you guys so you can find us on YouTube So at the Vier feeling we also have uh a website don't we we do uh via in.com or the Vier feeling.com which is currently in the making yeah so we're just working on that at the moment we're just putting everything together and yeah we we also have a a clothing store and you can find us on social media links Instagram Facebook and all that kind of stuff just typ feeling would be there yeah the vager feeling you you have new threads coming out new clothing line you also have prints and Etsy shop with some amazing footage and Wildlife scenery so if anyone's looking for a gift for somebody check out Mike and Chelsea thank you guys for coming on thank you so much for having us really appreciate it