What If We’re All Addicts? | An Interview with Nate & Marla Christensen

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In this podcast episode, Nate and Marla Christensen discuss the concepts of codependence and enmeshment in relationships, particularly in the context of addiction recovery. They emphasize the importance of being enmeshed with Christ rather than with other people, highlighting the need for individuals to focus on their relationship with the Savior for healing and support.

The discussion delves into the idea that the Addiction Recovery Program (ARP) is not just for addicts but can benefit anyone seeking to strengthen their connection with Jesus and find peace amidst chaos. Marla shares her personal journey of realizing the need to lean on Jesus rather than being overly dependent on her partner’s actions or behaviors.

The couple reflects on the transformative power of surrendering to the Savior and finding solace in the midst of life’s challenges. They also touch on the importance of maintaining individuality and self-care within relationships, even when faced with difficulties like addiction. Overall, the episode underscores the significance of seeking spiritual guidance and support in navigating personal struggles and relationships.

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Highlights

How Nate and Marla’s Journeys Led to Becoming Therapists

00:03:31 – Nate’s Background and Struggles with Mental Health
00:10:13 – Marla’s Background and Transition to College

The Importance of the Addiction Recovery Program (ARP)

00:24:21 – The Benefits of the ARP Program for Both Addicts and Partners
00:25:02 – The Role of Spiritual Leaders in Supporting ARP Participation

Understanding Codependence and Enmeshment

00:33:35 – Exploring the Concept of Codependence and Enmeshment
00:37:31 – Applying the Principles of Surrender and Enmeshment with Christ

Navigating Relationships and Dependency

00:40:13 – Marla’s Reflection on Codependency in Past Relationships
00:41:45 – Marla’s Shift in Perspective Towards Nate’s Struggles

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