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“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two. What comes next is a fun-filled conversation revealing the joy of friendship and the artlessness of the hosts. Unlike most successful classrooms, this show is not well planned and probably not worth your time.
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Send us a text Chris and Peter share stories about their trip to Montana while Phil shares a story about his trombone being seized by TSA. Thankfully Dr. Emily Moss joins us to share her musical journey, the importance of mentorship, and her approach to teaching conducting. We discuss the evolving landscape of music education careers, the challenge…
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Send us a text Dearest commuter, this week Phil and Peter share the same physical location resulting in noticeable tension during the show. Chris realizes that AI can now do podcasts better than this show (not a high bar). Thankfully, Dr. James Weaver, Director of Performing Arts and Sports for the National Federation of High School State Associati…
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Send us a text Try hard not to confuse this episode with a guide for folks over 50 needing help with their vision. Mercifully, our guest saves our hosts from themselves. Bob Baca is a visionary trumpet player, educator and musical leader. Join us as we hear about hot dish, snowmobiles, middle school bands with recording contracts and more. The podc…
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Send us a text Warning, Chris brings up the stinger yet again, Phil is back in his closet, and Peter continues to get hounded, no pun intended, by his dog Louie. Thankfully, Colonel Lowell Graham stops by to share his experiences from his time leading the United States Air Force Band to his passion for motorcycles and soundtracks. He emphasizes the…
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Send us a text Phil is only present for about 10 minutes of this show. Why? You'll just have to listen to find out. Need an even better reason to listen to this week's episode? Gotcha covered! Meet Dr. Peter Gamwell. Peter is an award-winning leader in education and is recognized internationally for his work in advancing creative organizational cul…
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Send us a text Professional wind ensemble, you say? Minnesota Winds has arrived, commuter. This ensemble comes complete with monster musicians, a website second to none and merch that some listeners (Paul Kile) refuse to take off. Listen to the architects of the group Meagan Bachmeyer and Katherine Bergmann talk about not only great performances bu…
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Send us a text This week Jim Stephenson made the unfortunate choice to join us. We talk about his amazing sports career as a youth, how he had to choose between golf or music, and how everything in his life happens by accident. Phil sputters sentence fragrances, Chris gets distracted often, and Peter asks questions that are so long and winding that…
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Send us a text Coming directly from the land of acronyms, our guests this week expanded this podcast's horizons while stretching the hosts' minds (not hard to do). We are thrilled to have you meet two amazing leaders from the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction: Dr. Laura Roeker, Director of Teaching and Learning, and Sara Kneuve, Policy Adv…
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Send us a text Yet another episode marred by excessive talking by Peter, poor introductions by Phil and general sleepiness by Chris. Thankfully, our guest compensates for all of our poor hosting. Dr. Cindi Johnson Turner has spent her career successfully guiding musicians at every level – middle schoolers, college students at Cornell University, th…
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Send us a text Our previous two seasons began with a guest named Scott. This year we start with a Stamp and we couldn't be happier! Jack Stamp stops in to share his journey from being a seventh-grade percussionist to becoming a composer and conductor. He reveals his experiences in the music industry, including his work with various ensembles and pu…
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Send us a text Hey Commuters - We are back for another season! This episode is especially bad as it contains no guests! Instead, you can listen to Phil, Peter, and Chris reunite after an eventful summer filled with medical visits, witness relocation programs, and new seasons resolutions. This is definitely an espisode to skip but I guess you've com…
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Send us a text The Season 2 Finale is here! As you will hear, we end the season with more of a whimper than a bang. Regardless, thank you for sticking with us through another season. We are tremendously grateful to all of our guests this past season as well as our six listeners. Have a great summer! We look forward to subjecting you to more mind nu…
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Send us a text Our final guest of season 2 is Lt. Col. Ryan Nowlin, the 29th Director of "The President's Own" United States Marine Band! Our conversation covers Ryan's career path from public school music teacher to staff arranger and now Director of "The President's Own." We learn more about his work in this role as well as collaborations with Be…
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Send us a text In this episode, we talk to Peter about his trip to Panama. No, it is not part of the witness protection program...well, not this time. Our guests, Tim and Christine Baumann share with us their amazing journey in music education (and the planet). They talk about their experiences teaching music in Hong Kong and their roles as co-dire…
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Send us a text In this episode, Phil turns 50. Don’t worry, his status with AARP doesn’t affect his podcasting ability. Thankfully, Jeff Ball stops by for a chat. Jeff is the Director of Bands and Coordinator of Performing Arts at the Grand Street Campus (GSC) High Schools in the Bushwick neighborhood of Brooklyn, NY. He is also the Founder, Artist…
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Send us a text Dr. Josh Becker, a trombone player and elementary school teacher, shares his experiences and insights. He teaches fifth grade and coordinates the elementary band program in the Rosemount-Apple Valley-Eagan School District in Minnesota. He also runs an instrument donation program, providing instruments to students who cannot afford th…
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Send us a text This week's guest is John Mackey. It is worth the listen even with the three hosts still involved. Yet, it is important to note an interesting development - the software we use to produce this podcast now offers AI episode summary and "takeaways". This week's takeaways were too good not to share: Takeaways Sometimes it's necessary to…
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Send us a text If you can make it through today's banter which covers hockey skate sharpening, lawn care, tea parties, and changing a tires, you are in for a treat. Today we welcome the "Mandan Dynasty" Jon & Sara Baumann. John and Sarah Bauman, are music educators from Mandan, North Dakota, known for their contributions to the All State Band Progr…
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Send us a text Shortest Show Ever!! You are welcome! See you next week with TWO fabulous guests! Support the showBy Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander
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Send us a text Well they said it would never happen --Erin Gleason, fabulous music educator, flautist, and spouse of Chris, in a moment of weakness or sympathy, joins us on the show. In an episode that could be subtitled, "tell us what you really think", Erin gives us her honest opinion of the show, grills, clutter, bad banter, and band-o-ramas. In…
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Send us a text After a well-deserved break from us, we are back to interrupt your life with more mind-numbing banter. This week, we have no guests……but wait….before you hit the delete button consider listening to this episode featuring some of our favorite moments over the past two years. As you will hear in our pre-banter banter, we hesitate to ca…
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Send us a text Here to celebrate St. Patrick's Day is our favorite Irish loving composer, Michael Sweeney! Even our below average banter session didn't sway Michael from sharing a wonderful hour looking back at his start as a musician and composer. We get his perspective on what has changed in composition over the course of his career and learn mor…
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Send us a text In this episode of Beyond Artless, we sit down with the remarkable Dr. Shauna Pickens, an esteemed educator/conductor, trombonist, and Professor at Texas Tech University. Once we get the trombone jokes out of the way, we learn a lot from Dr. Pickens about her later journey through music education, teaching in a low SES school, mentor…
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Send us a text The competition for dullest pre-guest banter continues on. Following closely behind pre-guest banter is dull post-guest banter. Thankfully, we’re able to steal Peter away from his tour for a few minutes. Chris and Phil have nothing important to be stolen away from. Our guest this week is clearly the most comfortable commentator we ha…
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Send us a text Ever wonder who organizes that big get-together during the holidays? No, I’m not talking about your family’s holiday bash at your Uncle Louie’s house. I’m talking about the Midwest Clinic in Chicago. Kelly Bell is the Executive Director of the Midwest Clinic. She joins us for a wonderful chat about the inner workings of the Clinic, h…
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Send us a text In celebration of the Minnesota Music Educators Association (MMEA) Conference this past week, we are pleased to have the fantastic Minnesota music educator Paul Kile with us. Paul shares his upbringing, including the LaCrosse Boys Choir, cymbals, and a skiff (you'll just have to listen). We talk about his amazing work teaching high s…
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Send us a text Commuters who have been with us since the beginning have grown to appreciate the “homespun” nature of the podcast. Well, maybe not appreciate, but gently tolerate? Phil learns the value of restarting his laptop and pays the price by offering very little for the first half of the episode (shut out). We learn about Ferryville, Wisconsi…
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Send us a text Mike George is a legendary figure in the arts education community in Wisconsin and beyond. His leadership has impacted thousands of people over his highly successful career. What an honor to spend an hour with Mike as he shares his childhood experiences and passion for music, discussing his teaching career, involvement in polka bands…
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Send us a text This man is Non-Stop! The podcast continues this week by exploring the stories and journey of an extraordinary individual in the world of arts and music - Buddy Deshler. A former Dallas Brass musician, Professor at Furman University, and all-around crazy trumpeter. We dive into Buddy’s early experiences with music, his time with the …
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Send us a text On this week's show is a man with many skills - from writing drills to building decks; Mark Davison can do it all. He is a gentle giant whose passion continues to nurture all those who get the privilege of working with him. In our conversation, Mark talks about his experience as a private instructor and band director. He shares his e…
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Send us a text There is a great quote that states, “Older siblings: the only people who will pick on you for their own entertainment and beat up anyone else who tries.” This week’s guest is none other than Chris’s big brother, Tim Gleason. Our discussion explores Tim’s amazing teaching and coaching career, mentors, and great books. Learn more than …
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Send us a text Beyond Artless has gone International! Peter brings Dr. Jacqueline Dawson, Director of Bands at the University of Manitoba, on for our international debut. Of course, Jacquie is respectful, patient, vulnerable, honest, trustworthy, genuine, we-not-me, and all other things Canadian…which is exactly what Peter, Phil, and Chris are not.…
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Send us a text This week we turn the tables on the hosts and they become the guests! Phil, Chris, and Peter will have to answer questions from Dr. Haberman’s students and…daughter! A role reversal that brings out the amazing talent and insight from Chris and Phil, and leaves a bit to be desired from Peter. Learn about the amazing Dr. Ostrander and …
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Send us a text This week’s guest aligns perfectly with the conclusion of the 77th Midwest Clinic held in Chicago. Our guest is the amazing educator, tubist, father, leader, human, friend, and fish catcher, Dr. Paul Budde. His Midwest presentation with co-presenter Erin Holmes (Season 1, Episode 10), called “Why Teach, Why Now”, inspires music educa…
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Send us a text Today we have the honor of learning from the renowned Dr. Ward Miller, a musical luminary whose influence reaches far beyond the podium. He shares insights into the profound impact of his mentor, Myron Welch, on his music journey. Commuters will gain valuable perspectives on the importance of mentorship and why Dr. Miller has never b…
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Send us a text In an effort to improve the quality of this podcast we have not one but two amazing guests with us this week. Adam and Kate Hardt are an amazing music education couple. Our conversation with them covers their busy lives as parents and music educators, mentors Fred Sturm and Mallory Thompson, jazz improvisation tips, reflections of am…
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Send us a text This week’s guest is like a rare gem; she is multifaceted and priceless! Alex Shapiro is an amazing composer, photographer, speaker, author, activist, naturalist, former python breeder, and member of the herpetological society. (Read that last part again.) This is the only music podcast that contains a “Snake Q & A Session.” Not only…
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Send us a text Finally. A guest that delivers some honest and thoughtful feedback about improving the podcast. One would think that our hosts would be able to operate a stopwatch, but apparently not. This operates under the assumption that our hosts are interested in making improvements. Or intelligent enough to make improvements to the podcast. Wh…
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Send us a text Finally, an episode that has it all. Phil finally has some articulate questions, but is ridiculed anyways. Three Disney All-American College Band alumni at once. Mystery corn sprouting from the fields of Lake Geneva. The wife/husband team of Beth and Steve Peterson have educated countless band students at both the University of Illin…
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Send us a text In today's episode, we chat with Wisconsin legend Glenn Hayes. Glenn is in his 37th year as Director of Bands at the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater. We had the opportunity to learn more about his start in music, current educational changes, influential mentors, his amazing family, what he does to unwind, and an unbelievable story…
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Send us a text Commuters, the answers to your teaching and learning conundrums are in this episode. Without a doubt our guest has more brain power that Peter, Phil and Chris combined. Hear guest Molly Gebrian quickly debunk Chris’ myths about the brain in a tight 20 seconds. Peter and Phil’s collective brains were always a myth anyways. Molly Gebri…
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Send us a text Just in time for Halloween, this episode is sure to both scare and surprise you. Have you ever wondered what it might be like to transition from a profession like music education to let’s say, the state patrol? Well, this week you get to find out as our guest is the one and only Tony Mazzone. Tony not only shares about his career and…
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Send us a text This week we gather 'round for tales and insights from a musical maestro, Allen Vizzutti. A man who swam with sharks, danced through the weird and twisted world of professional music, and even dodged Hollywood's most eccentric moments. He's never been in prison or parachuted from a plane, but he's leapt headfirst into a life filled w…
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Send us a text This week, we find Phil BACK in the closet, Peter hiding in his Mother-in-law's bedroom, and Chris relegated to the kitchen where someone continued to make food throughout the podcast…what else would you expect? The only good news is we visited with the amazing, young, and award-winning composer Kelijah Dunton about non-traditional p…
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Send us a text Our guest this week is the GOAT and he also has goats. Matt Tiller, instrumental music educator at Bloomer, joins us to talk about his goats named Johnnie and Otis. Ok, we cover more than just goats but you will be impressed by the amount of time we explore this topic. We eventually move on to talk about his journey that led him to B…
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Send us a text Is it possible to do this show with just one host? The answer is yes. Did it help to produce a better show. The answer is no. Why? For most of the episode it was just Chris. To be honest, our guest this week didn’t even need a host. He brought with him energy, wit, wisdom, and passion. Scott Lang is an entrepreneur, author, educator,…
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Send us a text This week’s guest is our dear friend Dr. John Stewart, Director of Bands at UW-Eau Claire. It is only fitting that the person missing from this discussion is his colleague, Phil Ostrander. The result? One of our best episodes brimming with rich, deep, meaningful conversation. Learn about John’s approach to repertoire, the archival pr…
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Send us a text Finally. The episode that everyone has been waiting for. Poor young adult Christmas Tree decisions, narrating tuba duets with rutabaga filled sousaphones, green jello, mouth clapping and more. There are no preludes or postludes, just pure music teaching mastery and comedic genius. When you are a middle schooler at heart, it’s not rea…
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Send us a text One of the world's brilliant young composers, Viet Cuong stops in for a few minutes to chat. We cover some ground beginning with one of his first band compositions, Sound and Smoke and concluding with his new work for young band called Inland Oceans. We talk composition style, “wet” orchestration, texture, and supper clubs. That’s ri…
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Send us a text How to account for continued lack of sophistication from Peter, Chris and Phil? Of course, our guests Ashley and Kyle Siegrist attempt to outnumber and certainly outsmart the hosts. Considering Chris occasional disappearance from parts of the show, season two is really moving in positive directions. Chris works hard to work a “stinge…
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