Join Louie and Wes as they discuss topics week by week. Two friends chatting about one of their passions. Sometimes bringing a friend along with them.
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A podcast about caves and cave exploration, hosted by Matt Pelsor of the Central Indiana Grotto of the NSS.
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Welcome to Beat The Prosecution with Fairfax, Virginia criminal defense / DUI lawyer Jonathan Katz. Jon Katz believes in spreading the word of justice on this podcast, in court, and on his blog at https://katzjustice.com/blog, to regularly provide information and ideas for beating your prosecution. More information is available at https://BeatTheProsection.com and at (703)-383-1100.
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Dr. Julian “Jerry” Lewis is a cave biologist with a long career consulting on everything from massive infrastructure projects to small-scale bio-inventory for various entities. He also served for many years as the president of the Indiana Karst Conservancy. In part 1 of our discussion, he outlines the genesis of his career, and touches on various o…
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Winning by throwing one's full self and humor into the fight- David L. Lewis
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Send us a text When Fairfax criminal defense / DUI lawyer Jonathan Katz attended his first National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers meeting, he was wowed by a talk by New York attorney David L. Lewis, who is brilliant, uniquely humorous, and tremendously persuasive. David has been very generous in sharing his knowledge and experience with h…
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Harmonizing criminal defendants' imbalanced situations- Venerable Thubten Chodron
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Send us a text Fairfax criminal defense lawyer and DUI attorney Jonathan Katz has been inspired for years by the great and to-the-point online dharma talks and guided meditations by Venerable Thubten Chodron. Venerable is at once compassionate, kind, generous of her time and as tough as nails. Through divine coincidence that neither knew about at t…
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Winning through powerful trial advocacy- Lisa Monet Wayne
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Send us a text There are heroes, and then there are heroes. Lisa Monet Wayne is one of Fairfax criminal / Virginia DUI lawyer Jonathan Katz's greatest heroes. Lisa was one of Jon Katz's earliest great criminal defense teachers, encouraging attorneys not to shy away from taking even the toughest cases to trial. She was among Jon's teachers at the Na…
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Winning by mindfully empowering ourselves in the face of racism and all other hurdles- Rhonda Magee
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Send us a text Fairfax criminal defense and DUI defense lawyer Jonathan Katz was floored when he met law professor, mindfulness teacher, and teacher on overcoming racial injustice Rhonda Magee, at the 2015 Mindful Leadership conference in Arlington, Virginia. Nine years later, Jon Katz catches back up with Rhonda, talking about her essential book T…
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Mike Ficco has found Virginia’s deepest cave, and has explored all over the world, including China, Montenegro, Slovenia, and elsewhere. He shared the highlights of his long caving career, which includes chairing the Cave Conservancy of the Virginias (link below). Order a custom cave suit from our sponsor, Sophireaptress! https://www.sophireaptress…
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Winning without negative reactivity- Deb Katz from the Conscious Leadership Group
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Send us a text In 2015, Fairfax criminal lawyer Jon Katz finished court earlier than expected, and beelined to the Mindful Leadership conference in Crystal City, Virginia, in part to meet speaker Roshi Joan Halifax. Snagging a ticket to this soldout event, Jon met Roshi Joan, and also sat mesmerized by speaker Jim Dethmer's (co-founder of the Consc…
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Defending activists who broadcast their actions- Mark Goldstone
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Winning at zero and with personal responsibility- Kamaile Rafaelovich on Self Identity Through Ho'oponopono
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Send us a text Reaching and being in a state of zero is vital for Fairfax, Northern Virginia criminal defense and DUI lawyer Jonathan Katz. Jon Katz has learned and applies this approach of zero through taijiquan, mindfulness, nonduality, and Self Identity Through Ho'oponopono (SITH). Taijiquan master Benjamin Pang Jeng Lo taught that by being at z…
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Georgia Schneider’s caving life has grown quickly since she started caving; taking her to places like New Zealand, France, Mexico, and countless US caves. She talks to Matt about working with the National Parks Service to inventory caves on federal land, and shares the special feeling of returning to places she helped discover. Order a custom cave …
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Winning through compassion, true sensing & realness- Nikki Mirghafori
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Send us a text After learning about non-attachment after revisiting Wim Wenders's visit in Tokyo-Ga to the gravesite of famous director Yasujirō Ozu (who left his body only eight months after Jon Katz was born), whose headstone was marked solely with the character 無 Mu (translatable as nothingness), Fairfax Virginia criminal and DUI defense lawyer …
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Developing peacefulness and compassion for winning in court and life - Jun Yasuda
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Send us a text When Fairfax, Virginia criminal and DUI defense lawyer Jonathan Katz faces particularly challenging times in court, he often imagines that his peace teacher Jun Yasuda is to his right, his trial teacher Steve Rench is to his left, and his martial arts teacher is also right there. This Beat the Prosecution episode interviews Jon Katz'…
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Having fun while fighting on the side of the angels- Art Spitzer, longtime local ACLU legal director
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Send us a text Art Spitzer for four decades served as the legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of the national capital area. Fairfax, Virginia criminal and DUI defense lawyer Jon Katz has known Art since before the time Jon served on that group's board for three years in the early 1990's, and through that experience has met such gre…
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Bill Torode has volunteered at the NSS library for over 50 years, and has mapped hundreds of caves. We talk about being the first person to peer down what came to be known as Surprise Pit in Fern Cave, as well as several other anecdotes from the long-time TAG legend. Order a custom cave suit from our sponsor, Sophireaptress! https://www.sophireaptr…
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Stephen Bright- Fighting for racial justice and full indigent defense funding in the criminal courts
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Send us a text Lawyer Stephen B. Bright is a hero to Fairfax criminal and DUI defense lawyer Jonathan Katz and to many other people. Steve left the security of his public defender salary at one of the nation's premier defender offices, to barely receive pay during some of the early months of his working to overturn death sentences imposed in the Ge…
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Ernie Lewis- Winning with a full frontal assault, and more
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Send us a text Ernie Lewis was one of Fairfax criminal and DUI defense lawyer Jonathan Katz's instructors at the National Criminal Defense College's Trial Practice Institute. Ernie is a past head of the Kentucky public defender system and a co-founder of the National Association of Public Defense. Join us as Ernie talks with Jon Katz about Ernie's …
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True Believer Tony Serra- Winning with a total focus on great outcomes and mercilessness towards snitches
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Send us a text True believer criminal defense lawyer J. Tony Serra has been defending for over sixty years. He sees the criminal justice system as a broken system, without letting him shy away from fighting in court whatsoever. https://pier5law.com/attorneys/j-tony-serra/ Early in his career, Fairfax, Virginia criminal defense / DUI lawyer Jon Katz…
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Cross-exam wizard Larry Pozner- Winning with full preparation, focus, and compassion
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Send us a text Cross examination master Larry Pozner https://www.pozneroncross.com for decades has been practicing law and teaching criminal defense and other lawyers how to effectively cross examine witnesses, without needing to be born with that ability. Fairfax, Virginia, criminal defense / DUI lawyer Jonathan Katz first met Larry at a National …
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Civil liberties protector Louis Sirkin- Winning in court with relentlessness and caring on the side of the angels
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Send us a text Criminal defense and First Amendment defense lawyer Louis Sirkin has since the 1960's been at the forefront of obscenity defense, criminal defense and First Amendment defense, often crisscrossing the nation in his battles for our civil liberties. When Jon Katz first met Louie in 1999, he was struck by Louie's powerfully persuasive ap…
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Pete shares his varied caving life starting in West Virginia's Germany Valley all the way through Grand Canyon exploration, Lechuguilla, Tears of The Turtle (the deepest cave in the US), and shares his experience rewiring the electricity for Carlsbad Caverns National Park. He also shares some big NSS news as a member of the board. Order a custom ca…
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Winning while being at peace with our unpeacefulness- Warrior for peace and combat veteran Claude AnShin Thomas
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Send us a text What do engaging with our suffering, breaking from addiction, and knowing our true nature have to do with beating the prosecution? Join Jon's riveting talk with Claude AnShin Thomas who has travelled the path between fighting in the thick of the Vietnam war to now being a warrior for peace and for helping others, including veterans. …
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Champion lacrosse coach Robert Streeten- Winning Through Great Strategy and Teamwork
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Send us a text What do lacrosse, being self-demanding, and being ever vigilant have to do with beating the prosecution? Join us as championship lacrosse coach Bob Streeten talks with his former summer camper and now-Fairfax, Northern Virginia criminal defense and DUI lawyer Jon Katz about there being no replacement for preparation, hard work, excel…
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Powerhouse lawyer Bob Hilliard- Winning trials by caring for our clients and throwing ourselves fully into their cause
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Send us a text What do non-ego, blue jeans, and tireless work have to do with beating the prosecution? Join us as Fairfax, Northern Virginia, criminal and DUI lawyer Jonathan Katz talks in depth with Corpus Christi, Texas, trial lawyer Robert C. Hilliard, who was Jon's roommate at the Trial Lawyers College. https://hilliard-law.com Early on, Bob in…
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Public Defenders Supreme Shawn Stout and Shalev Ben-Avraham- Beating the Prosecution Like a Warrior
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Send us a text What do Gideon, Hawkeye and being a warrior have to do with beating the prosecution? Join us as Virginia criminal defense and DUI lawyer Jon Katz (who started his criminal defense career as a public defender lawyer) talks with Northern Virginia public defender lawyers Shawn Stout and Shalev Ben-Avraham. Jon has deep respect and appre…
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Colin Magee is a Canadian caver originally from New Zealand who has been on high-profile Mexico expeditions like Cheve where he participated in the National Geographic Explorer episode “The Deepest Cave.” He discusses the importance of proper SRT and rescue training, as well as his initiative to gather data from the world’s caving clubs. Colin’s we…
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Taijiquan martial arts master Julian Chu- Winning by strengthening our root and internal compass
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Send us a text Why does Fairfax, Virginia criminal / DUI lawyer Jon Katz's law firm symbol incorporate the taiji / yin yang / supreme ultimate symbol with the scales of justice? Because powerful balance and constant internal strengthening is needed to beat the disharmony of a prosecution, and because for decades Jon has incorporated his taijiquan /…
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Winning by Adjusting to the Courthouse Battlefield: Lessons from Donald Trump's Trial on What to Do and Not to Do
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A Winning Lyon's Roar- Powerhouse Lawyer Andrea Lyon on Beating the Toughest Prosecutions
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Send us a text What do hearts, dragons, and a defender general have to do with beating the prosecution? Join us as Fairfax, Virginia criminal defense and DUI lawyer Jon Katz talks with powerhouse, trailblazing criminal defense attorney, teacher, and reformer Andrea Lyon ( https://andrealyon.com - in Chicago) on how she effectively and persuasively …
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Fighting for immigration status & liberty in criminal court. Jay Marks & former law partner Jon Katz on crimmigration.
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Send us a text What do hugging, speaking multiple languages, and lifting up legal clients have to do with beating the prosecution? Listen to Fairfax, Northern Virginia criminal / DUI lawyer Jon Katz and his former decade-long law partner Jay Marks (https://marksjustice.com - immigration lawyer) addressing the power of our joining forces together as…
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Battling like a Ram- Richmond warrior lawyer Douglas Ramseur
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Send us a text What do fearlessness, never giving up nor giving in and Will Rogers have to do with winning for criminal defendants? Join us as Fairfax criminal / DUI lawyer Jon Katz talks with Richmond criminal defense lawyer Douglas Ramseur (https://theramfirm.com/) on how to beat your prosecution. Jon has the utmost respect for Doug not only for …
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Katarina Kosič Ficco is a cave and karst field scientist with the Virginia Department of Conservation and Recreation, Division of Natural Heritage focusing on subterranean biodiversity. She shares her genesis in the world of caves and karst, having grown up in the classical Karst in Slovenia where the term originated. She also talks about discoveri…
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Persuading With Psychodrama and Storytelling- Trial Consultant Don Clarkson and Lawyer Christopher Flohr
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Send us a text What do Soul Train, Jacob Moreno and trials have to do with each other? Two of my favorite people help with that answer. Join us for our first episode with guests outside our law firm as we talk with Maryland trial consultant and psychodramatist Don Clarkson and Severna Park, Maryland, Criminal Defense lawyer Christopher Flohr (https…
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Assault defense - Know your rights and defenses
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Send us a text Virginia courts are filled to the brim with people seeking court orders to banish people from communicating with them or getting anywhere near them. Each violation of such an order can wreak havoc on your liberty and reputation. Join us as we discuss how Fairfax, Northern Virginia criminal defense lawyer Jon Katz successfully defends…
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Send us a text The Second Amendment’s right to bear and use weapons has its court-established limits. Join us as we discuss having fun with weapons without being dragged down with an arrest and prosecution. Fairfax and Northern Virginia criminal lawyer Jon Katz believes in a robust Second Amendment. He will never judge you for any matter you bring …
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Theft defense- Don't be robbed of your liberty
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Send us a text Theft is a common human activity. Join us as Fairfax and Northern Virginia criminal / DUI lawyer Jon Katz discusses how to avoid such prosecutions from raining on your day and damaging your future. This episode includes tips and proactive steps that you can take to reduce the adverse impact of your case in court and for your defendin…
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Mike Drake heads up exploration of the Studebaker/Wayne Cave system in Indiana’s Garrison Chapel Valley just west of Bloomington. He talks about the genesis and ongoing effort to survey the area’s longest cave. Plus, a bonus talk on Cave Week 2024 in June! Order a custom cave suit from our sponsor, Sophireaptress! https://www.sophireaptress.com/ Ca…
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Drug defense- Don't become a drug war victim
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Send us a text The illegal drug trade is big business. Don’t become the victim of a snitching drug dealer or a narc. Fairfax criminal lawyer Jon Katz has successfully defended hundreds of drug defendants, running from large-scale operations to small-quantity personal use. He believes in dismantling the drug war but knows that you need a full-court …
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Send us a text Getting home right away in one’s own comfortable car can be tempting after having one alcoholic belt too many. Join Fairfax DUI lawyer Jonathan Katz as he answers questions about avoiding DWI prosecutions in the first place with such approaches as designated drivers and hired rides, and defenses that can help preserve your liberty, r…
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Winning in Court by Transcending the Distractions
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Send us a text What do targets, veneers, and agendas have to do with winning in criminal court? Join Fairfax and Northern Virginia criminal defense/ DUI lawyer Jon Katz with an in-depth discussion about the benefits of overcoming risk by obtaining your best possible lawyer and working closely with them as a team. Do not get lulled into a false sens…
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Sex offense defense- Don't expect automatic sympathy for the defendant- Part II
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Send us a text What do Elton John, alcohol and code words have to do with sex crime defense? Join Fairfax, Northern Virginia criminal/DUI defense lawyer Jon Katz in discussing defenses running from prostitution, sexual assault, BDSM, underage sex, and peeping tom photography prosecution and much more. Jon Katz does not judge his clients and only pu…
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Going to Criminal and DUI Court Stronger and More Confident- How to do it
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Send us a text What do strawberries, samurais, and dress rehearsals have to do with being persuasively strong for court, and not losing sleep before your court date? Join us as Fairfax criminal and DUI defense lawyer Jonathan Katz discusses simple steps you can apply immediately to not lose sleep over court, to not sweat in the courthouse, and to h…
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Dave Brumbaugh has been a cave guide in several show caves, including back home in Pennsylvania. He has also worked at Carlsbad Caverns and indeed still works for the National Park Service in Yosemite National Park. We talked about his extensive caving career, which included helping the FBI locate and dispose of unexploded ordinances in a Carlsbad …
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Sex offense defense- Avoid a damning conviction and sentence- Part I
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Send us a text What do Nevada, Traci Lords, and IP addresses have to do with sex crime defense? Join Fairfax, Northern Virginia criminal/DUI defense lawyer Jon Katz for essential information and ideas for defending against prosecutions for alleged prostitution, indecent exposure, child pornography, and soliciting minors for sex. Jon Katz does not a…
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Storytelling is essential to trial victory
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Send us a text What do Gilligan’s Island, dive bars, and diabetes have to do with trial persuasion? Join Fairfax criminal and DUI defense lawyer Jon Katz addressing the necessity of full preparation, persuasion, and experience for winning in court. Jon Katz has successfully defended hundreds of people at trial, often in some of the most challenging…
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Weapons Defense- Stay Out of the Firing Line
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Send us a text What do chameleons, shaving, and Heinz ketchup have to do with weapons defense, the Second Amendment, and firearm safety? Join us as Fairfax Virginia criminal defense and DUI lawyer Jon Katz addresses such essential issues as carrying a handgun without a concealed carry permit, omitting past felony convictions from a firearm purchase…
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Testify Like a Pro, and Overcome Courtroom Discomfort
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Send us a text What do the Gladiator, Amber Heard, and turquoise shirts have to do with preparing for court? Find out on the eighth episode of Beat The Prosecution. No actor starts opening night without a dress rehearsal. Make sure your lawyer walks you through the nitty gritty of your criminal court date with details as small as if you can bring y…
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Rand Heazlitt is currently leading the continued exploration of Indiana's longest cave, the Binkley Cave system. He shares his perspective as the leader of the group that endured a 2016 flood that threatened the lives of him and his survey group in Binkley Cave. He also talks about current and future exploration of Alabama's Fern Cave, as well as d…
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Tackle the challenge of difficult police, prosecutors, and judges.
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Send us a text What do playgrounds, Don Corleone and t'ai chi ch'uan have to do with transcending challenging police, prosecutors and judges? Criminal court can get messy, with proverbial dirt and mud flying, and with figurative trap doors. Make sure that your potential and hired criminal defense lawyer is up to the challenge of dealing with diffic…
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Assault Defense has many essential moving parts.
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Send us a text What do haiku, martial arts, and the Border Patrol have to do with assault defense? Join Fairfax, Virginia criminal and DUI defense lawyer Jon Katz for pursuing your best defense against an assault accusation. Even one slap to someone else’s face could be a crime. The temptation to use physical force against other people can sometime…
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Drug Defense Calls for a Full Court Press
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Send us a text Fairfax, Virginia criminal and DUI defense lawyer Jon Katz discusses how to reduce your risk of being a victim of the drug war. This war sweeps up innocent people, mere drug users, and those at all levels of the drug trafficking chain. Jon Katz mines his decades of defending hundreds of drug defendants to help you protect yourself ag…
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