Bell Curve breaks down the most important themes in crypto for people who, like us, are confined to the middle of the bell curve. Each season explores a different thesis that we'll test and refine through debate with crypto's best. If you're a crypto native, degen or investooor, this podcast is for you.
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Are L1s Converging on the Same Design? | Roundup
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In this episode, Mike explores the most relevant topics in crypto today. He dives into Kamala Harris’ cabinet, Ripple’s settlement with the SEC, and Ethereum ETF flows to date. Additionally, he speculates on who might be the next SEC Chair after Gary Gensler. Finally, he closes with coverage of the internal debate happening within the Ethereum comm…
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Restaking’s Impact on the Future of Crypto | Season 8 Recap
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In this episode, we recap all of the themes and topics from Season 8: Restaking’s Renaissance. We compare the sentiment around restaking between the start of the season to now, discuss the various use cases around restaking, and give our thoughts on pre confirmations. Additionally, we take a look at StakeSure, and the restaking customer base. Final…
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Can Crypto Survive a Recession? | Roundup
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In this episode, the Roundup crew and Myles O’Neil are diving into the hot topics from a volatile week in the markets. They discuss the recent Compound Finance governance attack, the first week of Ethereum ETF trading, and how teams should handle token unlocks. Additionally, they ask if crypto is now a bipartisan issue, and what governance tokens s…
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How Jito is Unlocking Restaking for Solana | S8 Finale | Lucas Bruder
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In this episode, Lucas Bruder from Jito discusses their newly launched restaking platform for Solana. The conversation covers the history of Jito's products, the design choices behind their restaking solution, and how it differs from Ethereum-based platforms like Eigen Layer. Lucas explains the flexibility of Jito's approach, allowing for various a…
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Is Crypto Ready for the Big Leagues? | Roundup
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In this episode, the Roundup crew discusses Ethereum ETF flows, the Jito restaking announcement and its impact on the Solana Ecosystem, and the recent AAVEnomics update proposal. Additionally, they speculate on when the Fed will finally cut rates, and what Trump might say during his Bitcoin Conference speech. Finally, they dive into what crypto pol…
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The Bear Case for Shared Security | S8 E8 | Sunny & Toghrul
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In this episode, Sunny, the Co-founder of Osmosis, and Toghrul from Scroll joined us to present the bear case for shared security. We discussed issues with Proof of Stake, the relationship between slashing and enshrining an LST, and the market size for restaking. Finally, we provide our thoughts on the intersubjective work token, and staking’s pote…
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Deep Dive: The CAKE Framework & Building a One Click Experience | Hart Lambur & Stephane Gosselin
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In this special episode of Bell Curve, Stephane Gosselin and Hart Lambur joined us live at EthCC to discuss OneBalance and the CAKE Framework! Additionally, we dive into the economics of the solver layer, what effects an HFT dynamic arising in crypto would have, and UX in a OneBalance world. Finally, we speculate on how OneBalance will impact L2 bu…
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A New Era: Trump’s Impact on Crypto and Innovation in the U.S.
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In this episode, the Roundup crew covers a wild week in crypto and politics. They discuss the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, and how economic policy might look with JD Vance as the Vice President. Additionally, they speculate on whether or not Biden will drop out of the presidential race, and talk about the Fed’s approach to monetary policy…
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EthCC Campside Chat: Protocols, Ecosystems, Community & Tokens | Vitalik Buterin & Christopher Goes
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In this special episode, Vitalik Buterin and Christopher Goes joined us live from the Intents Discussions conference during EthCC 2024! Key highlights from this campside chat include: Vitalik’s reflections on crypto’s journey thus far and his insights on Ethereum’s inception, unbundling blockchain components, and competing with centralized protocol…
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A Fresh Take on Shared Security | S8 E7 | Misha Putiatin
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In this episode, Misha, CEO and Co-founder of Symbiotic, delves into the history and evolution of shared security. He discusses shared security’s various implementations over the years, and highlights Symbiotic's vision for the future. The conversation also touches on Symbiotic’s protocol design choices, offering a fresh perspective on shared secur…
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A New Era for U.S. Regulations | Roundup
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In this episode, the Roundup crew discusses the aftermath of the Presidential Debate, and a Trump victory’s potential impact on the markets. Additionally, they dive into what the Chevron Doctrine was, and what the implications of its overruling are. Finally, they provide their views on current sentiment within the crypto markets, and how fresh capi…
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Ethereum’s Path Forward: Aligning Security and Monetary Policy | S8 E6 | Hasu & Justin Drake
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In this episode, Hasu and Justin Drake joined us to discuss restaking, preconfs, Minimum Viable Issuance, and the future of Ethereum. We dive into the effects Ethereum monetary policy has on the validator set, the current market for restaking, and our thoughts on attester-proposer separation and proposer-builder separation. Finally, we cover what w…
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Harnessing the Untapped Potential of Bitcoin Staking | S8 E5 | David Tse
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In this episode, David Tse, Co-founder of BabylonChain, joins us to explore the latest developments in the Bitcoin ecosystem. We dive into the transformative impact of Bitcoin staking, the innovative role of Babylon, and the broader technological and cultural shifts in the Bitcoin ecosystem. Finally, David provides insight into the Bitcoin staking …
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How ZK Accounts Expand dApp Limits | John, Uma, & Zaki
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In this episode, we dive deep into the world of ZK accounts and their potential. Uma, Zaki, and John, unpack ZK accounts, the trade-offs involved in design decisions, and the political landscape. We explore how ZK accounts enable trustless interoperability, enhance scalability, and unlock a dimension for dApps. The conversation also touches upon th…
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Will the Fed Cut Rates in 2024? | Roundup
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In this episode, we discuss FOMC, previous rate cutting cycles over the years, and if the FED will cut rates prior to the presidential election. We also breakdown the differing approaches blockchains take when dealing with MEV, and the ways networks and applications can monetize. Finally, we dive into how Trump’s stance towards crypto has affected …
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How AVSs Enable Scalable, Secure and Customizable Execution | S8 E4 | Ludwig & Muto
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In this episode, Ludwig from Sorella Labs and Muto from Ethos, two AVS builders, join to discuss the potential of restaked ETH and attributable security to revolutionize DeFi. They dive into how AVSs offer a scalable alternative to rollups by leveraging restaking to enable customizable off-chain execution while preserving the benefits of shared L1 …
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In this jam-packed episode, we dive into Starkware's million dollar initiative to scale Bitcoin with ZK tech, debate the implications of looming ETH ETF approvals, and discuss how the largest rate cutting cycle of our lifetimes could supercharge crypto. We also break down Coinbase's new Web3 wallet, the convergence of crypto infrastructure, and why…
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Exploring Crypto's Modular Path | Rex & NoSleepJon
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In this special episode, the Jason and Mike announce the launch of Expansion, a new Blockworks podcast focusing on the modular blockchain ecosystem. Expansion hosts Rex and NoSleepJon aim to explore the modular design concepts and architectural principles in the blockchain space. They highlight the benefits and challenges of modularity, the cultura…
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The Modular Integration Spectrum | Keone & Zon
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In this episode, Keone from Monad and Zon from Initia to discuss the spectrum between modular and integrated blockchain designs. They explore the tradeoffs in decentralization, performance and scalability between the two approaches. They explore AppChains, rollups, composability challenges in modular systems, EVM compatibility, and when to scale bl…
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The Power Dynamics of Liquid Restaking | S8 E3 | Sam, Krane, & Clayton
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In this episode, we dive deep into the rapidly evolving world of liquid restaking. Our expert panel unpacks the history and rise of Liquid Restaking Tokens, exploring LRT design, yield strategies, the leverage dynamics between LRTs and Eigen Layer, and the potential impact of introducing multi-assets like Bitcoin. We examine the challenges posed by…
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Is Crypto Bipartisan Now? | Roundup
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In this episode, the guys debate whether Democrats can reverse course before the upcoming election. They also discuss the rise and fall of meme coins, despite Iggy Azalea's recent token launch. The conversation then shifts to the challenges facing Bitcoin's L2 development, OpenAI's legal battles over celebrity rights and employee NDAs, and Nvidia's…
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Exploring EigenLayer and The Future of Ethereum Security | S8 E2 | Sreeram Kannan
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In this episode we are joined by Sreeram Kannan, founder of EigenLayer, to discuss the current state and future potential of restaking. The conversation covers Eigenlayer's rapidly growing ecosystem of actively validated services (AVS), the different types of security guarantees made possible by restaking, and how restaking can benefit both externa…
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How ETH ETFs Will Reshape Crypto | Roundup
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In this episode, the crew dives into discuss the 75% odds of an ETH ETF approval this month. They unpack the implications of ETH ETFs on crypto market structure and institutional adoption. The conversation also covers the evolving regulatory landscape and the backlash against Yuga Labs over their CryptoPunks moves. Finally, they debate the future o…
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Restaking's Renaissance: The Next Generation of Blockchain Security | S8 E1
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This episode takes a deep dive into the evolving landscape of restaking and shared security. Mike and Myles trace the history of restaking from early iterations like Polkadot and Cosmos to the rise of specialized providers like Eigen Layer. They break down the market structure, analyzing the supply and demand sides, and exploring how new entrants p…
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The Growing Partisan Divide in Crypto | Roundup
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In this episode, the guys discuss the recent prosecution of the Tornado Cash developer, the potential partisan nature of crypto regulation, and the ongoing vote on SAB 121. They delve into the history of asset seizure in the US, the shifting political attitudes towards crypto, and the potential implications for the industry. The conversation also t…
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The Solana End Game | Anatoly Yakovenko & Lucas Bruder
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Gm! This week we invite Anatoly Yakovenko & Lucas Bruder to the show for a discussion on the current state of Solana. We deep dive into the transaction problem as on chain volumes have exploded in recent months. Toly & Lucas explore the solutions that could help to increase chain performance & what's next for Solana. Enjoy! -- Follow Anatoly: https…
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Will Crypto Leave the US? | Roundup
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In this episode, the crew discusses the current state of crypto regulation and political candidate support in the US. They explore the viability of meme coins and the challenges of annualizing returns in the crypto space. The conversation also debates crypto-native gaming, the importance of crypto remaining a key industry in the US, and the technic…
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Interoperability's Product-Market Fit | Deep Dive
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In today's episode, Michael chats with Nikhil Suri from the Wormhole Foundation about the future of multichain and interoperability in crypto. They discuss the challenges of creating a seamless user experience across different chains, the role of general message passing protocols like Wormhole, and the potential impact of zero-knowledge proofs on s…
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Eigen's Dual Staking Dilemma: Eth vs Eigen Security | Roundup
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In this episode, Mike and Myles dive into Eigen Layer's major announcement, unpacking the details and implications of the Eigen token airdrop, the Eigen Foundation, and the positioning of Eigen as an "intersubjective work token". They discuss the community's mixed reaction to the airdrop details and geo-fencing, the objectives and considerations ar…
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Crypto's Multichain Masterplan | S7 E8
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Season 7 | Episode 8 In this wrap-up episode of Season 7, Mike and Hart dive deep into the multichain endgame of crypto. They discuss how the user and developer experience might evolve in a multichain future, the role of ZK tech in enabling interoperability, and the importance of standardization across chains. They explore the potential for L1 asse…
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Solana: State Of The Network | Mert Mumtaz, Dan Smith | Lightspeed
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Gm! Bell Curve's season 7 will be back soon. This week our friends Mert and Dan from the Lighspeed discuss the state of the network, MarginFi drama, Uniswap vs the SEC, airdrops, Monad's $225 million raise & more. Enjoy! -- Follow Mert: https://twitter.com/0xMert_ Follow Dan: https://twitter.com/smyyguy Follow Lightspeed: https://twitter.com/Lights…
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Bitcoin's Renaissance: Inside Runes, Ordinals, and Transaction Revenue | Roundup
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In this week's round up the Mike and Vance dive into the recent Bitcoin correction, discussing the narratives surrounding interest rates, politics, and the upcoming halving. They explore the launch of Runes on Bitcoin and its potential impact on the ecosystem. The conversation also delves into the merging of Bitcoin and Ethereum, the challenges fac…
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Inside the Crypto Options and Derivatives Boom | Nick Trileski
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In this episode, Mike is joined by Nick Trileski, a crypto options trader at Cumberland DRW, for an in-depth discussion on the current state of the crypto options and derivatives market. They explore the growth of options trading, the psychology around all-time highs, and the increasing institutional demand as evidenced by rising open interest. The…
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The Battle of Restaking Platforms & Alt L1s | Roundup
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In this week's round up the Mike, Michael, and Vance break down Uniswap's fight with the SEC over a Wells notice and the implications for DeFi, as well as Bearchain's massive $100M raise. The risks of hedging altcoin investments using perpetual futures contracts are explored, along with the significance of Circle and BlackRock uniting to bridge tra…
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Solana's MEV Inflection Point: Users vs Protocol | Deep Dive | Eugene & Lucas
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In today's episode, Mike is joined by Eugene from Ellipsis Labs and Lucas from Jito to discuss the current state and future of MEV on Solana. The trio dives into the philosophical divergence between Solana and Ethereum's approaches to mitigating MEV, with Solana prioritizing user experience and low fees while Ethereum focuses on incentive compatibi…
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The Evolution of Crypto Venture Funds | Roundup
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In this week's round up the Mike, Michael, and Vance examine the new market structure emerging as fresh capital starts to flow back into the space and debate whether this could break the traditional crypto market cycles. They also discuss the impact of early liquidity on founders and teams through token launches. Additionally, they analyze the impr…
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Network Effects and Value Accrual in Crypto | S7 E7 | Kyle Samani
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Season 7 | Episode 7 In today's episode Kyle Samani from Multicoin Capital joins Michael and Hart to discuss the complex dynamics of network effects in the blockchain ecosystem. The conversation dives deep into the different types of network effects at play, the phenomenon of anti-network effects caused by high gas fees, and the potential for block…
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Are Crypto Market Cycles Changing for Good? | Roundup
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In this week's round up the Mike, Michael, and Vance examine the new market structure emerging as fresh capital starts to flow back into the space and debate whether this could break the traditional crypto market cycles. They also discuss the impact of early liquidity on founders and teams through token launches. Additionally, they analyze the impr…
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Credible Commitments: How Pre-Confirmations Unlock L2 Interoperability | S7 E6 | Jonas & Murat
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Season 7 | Episode 6 In today's episode Mike and Hart are joined by Jonas from Chainbound and Murat from Prime to dive deep into the emerging world of pre-confirmations on Ethereum L2s. They discuss the current challenges facing L2s including centralized sequencers and limited composability, and explain how pre-confirmations act as credible commitm…
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Restaking and Shared Security: Lessons from Cosmos, Polkadot, and Beyond | Roundup
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In today's episode, Mike is joined by Myles and special guest Jim Parillo from Figment Capital to explore the latest developments in the restaking ecosystem. They dive into lessons learned from shared security models in Cosmos and Polkadot. The conversation also touches on the differences between liquid staking tokens (LSTs) and liquid restaking to…
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Dencun: The Catalyst for Ethereum's L2 Vision | Roundup
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In this week's round up the Mike, Michael, and Vance discuss the impact of the Dencun hard fork on Ethereum L2s, which has lowered fees and opened up new opportunities for L2 business models and applications. The conversation also covers Maker's DSR hike, the return of meme coin mania, Jito's decision to end its mempool product, the AI investing cr…
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Debating the MakerDAO Endgame | Vance Spencer, Mark Phillips, and Hasu
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In today's interview Sam and Brick are joined by Vance, Mark, and Hasu. Together they dive into MakerDAO's endgame. They discuss the current state of MakerDAO, including the DAI stablecoin and RWA adoption. The conversation then shifts to the bull case for Maker, with a focus on the new subDAO structure and how it aims to drive demand for the Maker…
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Chainlink: From Price Feeds to Universal Cryptoeconomic Standards | Sergey Nazarov, Co-founder
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In this week's roundup the Bell Curve crew is joined by Sergey Nazarov, co-founder of Chainlink, joins us to discuss the evolution of Chainlink from a focus on price feeds to a platform for data, compute, and cross-chain services. Sergey explains how Cross-Chain Interoperability Protocol (CCIP) enables the secure transfer of both data and value acr…
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The ZK-Proof Endgame for Full Interoperability | S7 E5 | Uma Roy
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Season 7 | Episode 5 In today's episode Mike and Hart are joined by Uma Roy to dive deep into the world of zero-knowledge proofs and their transformative potential for blockchain interoperability. The conversation explores the fundamentals of ZKPs, the current ZKP landscape, and the economics of generating and verifying proofs. Uma shares insights …
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Understanding the Rise of AI and Crypto as TradFi Plays Catch-up | Roundup
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In this week's round up the Mike and Michael kick things off with their takes on ETHDenver and the excitement around restaking and AI applications in crypto. Shifting gears they analyze the recent crypto market performance and debate whether crypto's regulatory outlook is positive in an election year. Regarding institutional interest, Vance describ…
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Debating the Multichain End State: Service Providers vs Immutable Protocols | S7 E4 | Bryan Pellegrino
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Season 7 | Episode 4 In today's episode Mike and Hart are joined by Bryan Pellegrino, co-founder of LayerZero, to debate the the end state of the multi-chain future. They debate technical specifics like message passing protocols, bridging frameworks, censorship resistance, and security tradeoffs, as well as philosophies around infrastructure layers…
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Unpacking FDV, Token Distributions, and Hidden Value in Bull Markets | Roundup
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In this week's round up the crew kicks things off with discussing recent commentary and analysis around Bitcoin ETF dynamics and the case for a potential Ethereum ETF approval. A debate then ensues on conceptual frameworks for valuating crypto tokens using market capitalization versus fully diluted valuation metrics and draw interesting parrelels o…
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Why One Chain Can't Rule Them All: Polygon's Aggregation Layer Deep Dive Brendan Farmer
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In this week's interview Sam and Ren from 0xResearch are joined by Brendan Farmer, the Co-Founder of Polygon. Brendan unpacks why no single blockchain can scale like the internet due to heterogeneous requirements across chains. He then introduces Polygon's solution - an Aggregation Layer that enables low-latency, trustless interoperability between …
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Leverage, Restaking, and Ethereum ETF Demand | Roundup
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In this week's roundup the team checks in on booming Bitcoin ETF inflows versus declining gold ETF interest. Debating the likelihood and demand dynamics of an Ethereum spot ETF launch, they analyze whether restaking poses leverage risks and how to value Eigenlayer's opportunity. They then shift gears and discuss Starkware’s critiqued token distribu…
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The Chain Abstraction Thesis | Season 7 Episode 3 | Sam & Illia
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Season 7 | Episode 3 In today's episode Mike and Hart are joined by Sam Hart of Skip Protocol and Illia Polosukhin to dive into the world of chain abstraction. They discuss the consensus around the need for intent-based interoperability solutions, the incentives (or lack thereof) for ecosystems to be interoperable, and predictions around rollup con…
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