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Dating. Relationships. Friendships. It’s a mine field to navigate - especially when you are above 40 and have to start over again! Join Relationship and Divorce Coach, Naomi Cao and resident “Single ‘girl’ about town” Louise Palmer, as they discuss all things relationships - Whether it’s being single and navigating the world of dating after being in a longterm relationship… Being in a committed relationship and balancing a career, kids (or pets!)… Or attempting to be Match Makers themselves ...
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A new era is upon us, and Tangent💚 is back with our fourth new limited series, hosted by Proptech entrepreneur Edward Cohen, and venture capitalists Jeffrey Berman (Partner at Camber Creek) and Zach Aarons (Co-founder and GP at MetaProp). Tangent unites Proptech founders💡, real estate investors🏢, urban leaders🏙 and passionate creators🌎 who are improving our communities and cities. Join us to learn how we can solve present day challenges with innovative technology and greater collaboration. 💚 ...
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Housing Crisis | Revolutionizing Build-to-Rent Development, with a16z-backed Mosaic CEO Salman Ahmad
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Salman Ahmad is the CEO and Co-founder of a16z-backed Mosaic, a construction technology company that builds software that makes homebuilding more scalable and efficient. Mosaic was founded in 2017 by Salman and Sep Kamvar, whom were two computer scientists working together at MIT and Stanford developing machine learning algorithms applied in the re…
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Housing Crisis | The Rise of Home Equity Investments, with Point Co-founder Eoin Matthews
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Eoin Matthews is the Co-founder at Point, a home equity investment company making home equity wealth accessible to homeowners without creating a monthly debt obligation. Homeowners get upfront funds from Point in return for a portion of your home’s future appreciation. Point recently announced an oversubscribed $141M securitization, which marked it…
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Climate Tech | Sustainability & Economic Benefits From Decarbonizing Real Estate, with Cortex CRO Lisa Rockefeller
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Lisa Rockefeller is the Chief Revenue Officer at Cortex Sustainability Intelligence, the decarbonization platform built for commercial real estate, where she's driving the go-to market strategy. Cortex's advanced AI helps CRE teams amplify operational effectiveness, make informed decisions about capital investments, and tactically address regulatio…
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The New Generation of Real Estate Tech Venture Capital, with RE Angels GP & Founder Alon Gorbonos
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Alon is the Founder and General Partner of RE Angels, a real estate technology angel fund solely composed of real estate experts with deep and diverse industry expertise focused on early stage startups. Alon also owns and manages several multifamily portfolios throughout the southeast (FL, NC & VA). Alon was the co-founder and managing partner of D…
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Future of Office | Coworking is Dead, Long Live Coworking: The New Flex Office Generation, with a16z-backed Codi CEO Christelle Rohaut
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Christelle Rohaut is the Founder and CEO of Codi (backed by a16z), where she's building the walk-to-work revolution. Codi offers turnkey, private office spaces with the most flexible terms on the market. In a matter of days, any company can find a space for their team, with full and part-time options, outsourced office management, and flexible leas…
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A New Way to Finance Tech-Enabled Real Estate Co's & Lessons from the Proptech Boom Cycle, with Cherry Lawn Capital Managing Partner Robert McDonald
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Robert McDonald is the Managing Partner at Cherry Lawn Capital, on a mission to provide businesses with the real estate capital necessary to scale and the operational capital needed for a successful next venture round. Robert joins Edward, Jeff and Zach to also discuss lessons and takeaways from the previous Proptech boom cycle, and how should foun…
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“In the immortal words of Britney…. ‘YOU’RE TOXIC’ (add a good few more bleeps to that Chris!)”
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*PLEASE NOTE: TRIGGER WARNING – We discuss Miscarriages, and Mental Abuse in this episode. If this episode affects you or need additional help, we have listed contact numbers below where you can get help and support. In today’s episode: Naomi speaks on how important it is to recognise and understand when you are in a toxic relationship, and shares …
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Climate Tech | How to Solve Real Estate's Greatest Challenge, with Measurabl CEO Matt Ellis
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Matt Ellis is the CEO of Measurabl, the world’s most widely adopted ESG solution for real estate. Customers use Measurabl to measure, manage, report, and act on ESG data on more than 15 billion square feet of commercial real estate across 92 countries. Measurabl empowers customers to optimize ESG performance, assess exposure to physical climate ris…
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"Romeo, Romeo where for art thou Romeo…?!" Not in Sydney by the looks of it… and neither is our Juliet!!!
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It’s a virtual episode today - Naomi is in Sydney, holding down the “What They Said…!” empire, whilst Lou is trying her level best to score a date in Brisbane! In today’s episode! Naomi urges us to ‘bring the sexy back’ and to embrace having either a Mum or Dad bod in "Wifey Lifey"… Lou gives the run down on single life in Brisbane and shares if sh…
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Future of Office | The Boring Building Amenity That Makes CRE Investors Money, with Stuf CEO Kat Lau
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Katharine Lau is the CEO and Co-founder of Stuf, a self storage startup delivering modern, tech-enabled storage to consumers and businesses. Stuf partners with real estate owners to monetize basements, garages, and other spaces in commercial buildings as storage, creating new cash flow opportunities for landlords while providing neighborhoods with …
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"The Man Drought…. WE WILL FIND MEN FOR THE SINGLE LADIES OF SYDNEY…. GOSH DARN IT!!!!!"
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares how to navigate through arguments within relationships in ‘Wifey Lifey”… In "Lou's Dating Diary", Lou talks dating fatigue…. Man, its super exhausting! The Ladies ask the big question – “Is the ‘Bro and Sister Code’ still a thing” in "Question Of The Week" The spotlight is on the Jumper, we mean. Wooden Dragon in "S…
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" ‘…So this guy came in the pharmacy I worked at ‘cos he caught worms in Bali. I gave him some tablets… Later he calls the shop to ask me out…’ YOU. WHAT. NOW. NAOMI??!"
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("And yes, I had to hear this Worm Guy story 9 times whilst editing this... *Shakes head*" - Editor, Chris) In today’s chockers, jammed packed episode! Naomi shares when is the best time to move in together and how to win at the ‘who gets to decorate’ game in "Wifey Lifey"… Lou gives her take on the art of saying ‘Thanks but no thanks’ and reiterat…
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Valentines Day Special... Lurve, Lurve, and Even More Lurve... PLUS... HE REALLY DOES EXIST PEOPLE!!! Mr Naomi Cao Finally Speaks Out!
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Love is in the air - Lets hope we don't get copyrighted due to the ladies 'enthusiastic' singing of that song today ("I highly doubt it with THAT rendition...' - Editor Chris)! Whether you are Coupled-Up, or Single there is something for everyone in today’s bumper, chockers *insert Lou-ism here*, VALENTINES DAY SPECIAL! In today’s episode! Naomi sh…
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Housing Crisis | Unlocking 2% Mortgages, with Roam Founder & CEO Raunaq Singh
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Raunaq Singh is the founder & CEO of Roam, the platform for purchasing a home with an assumable, low-rate mortgage included. Prior to founding Roam, Raunaq spent a decade in various product and operations roles across Uber, Opendoor and Culdesac. He received a Bachelor's degree in Political Economy from NYU and currently resides in New York City. (…
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“What Part Of ‘Let’s Do The “Bay Run”, Means Wear Jeans, A Dress Shirt And Shoes… I Dunno, You’d Think There Was A Hint In There Somewhere…?!”
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In today’s 'jammed-packed, chockers' episode! Naomi shares the best way of blending yours and a new partners ‘Family Traditions’ without it causing tears and bloodshed in "Wifey Lifey"... In "Lou's Dating Diary", Lou gives her take on what makes a great first date location and it’s definitely not under a clock with a rose between your teeth in the …
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Future of Office | Convene CEO Ryan Simonetti: Building the Largest Office Experience Provider, WeWork's Bankruptcy & Office Predictions for 2024
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Ryan Simonetti is the CEO and co-founder of Convene, a global hospitality company that owns and manages premium Meeting, Event & Workplace locations around the world. His unique expertise in real estate acquisitions, development, and finance has helped catapult Convene to become a pioneer in the commercial real estate industry. Ryan is also the co-…
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The Perfect Match date that leaves everyone in the Studio…SPEECHLESS!!!
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The Perfect Match date that leaves everyone in the Studio…SPEECHLESS!!! *WARNING: THIS EPISODE MAY CONTAIN VIEWS THAT MAY BE UPSETTING TO LISTENERS* Hold on to your hats because this episode is a rollercoaster! In today’s episode! Naomi gives her take on when is the right time to introduce a new partner to the most judgemental of them all – your FR…
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Housing Crisis | Jeff Bezos-backed Real Estate Company Allows Regular People to Invest in Rental Homes, with Arrived CEO Ryan Frazier
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Ryan Frazier is the Co-founder and CEO at Arrived Homes, the Real Estate tech company that Jeff Bezos and Marc Benioff invested in to make the wealth building potential of owning rental homes & vacation rentals more accessible. Ryan and the Arrived team believe they can do that by simplifying the process, and lowering the cost to get started. With …
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“Dang it… If the blind date you set me on goes horribly wrong, Naomi… It’s not as if I can leave the bloody building, can I????!!!"
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Howdy folks... We are back! Here we are, back for Season 2, and boy are we kicking it off in style! In today’s episode: Naomi gives her thoughts on when to take the plunge and go on holiday with your new partner in "Wifey Lifey"… Meanwhile in "Lou's Dating Diary", Lou shares her first date rituals, plus gives us an insight on how she’s really feeli…
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Housing Crisis | The Lawsuit That Will Change Real Estate Forever & Reimagining the Home Buying Experience, with Aalto CEO Nick Narodny
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Nick Narodny is the Founder and CEO at Aalto, a real estate marketplace that lets people buy and sell homes online. Nick previously co-founded Grovo, a microlearning company for real estate agents that was acquired by Cornerstone on Demand. Real Estate runs in the family for Nick, after being raised and inspired by his real estate agent mother and …
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Fundrise CEO Ben Miller on Real Estate & VC Investment Strategies, Macro Trends for 2024 & Building the Online Blackstone
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Ben Miller is the co-founder and CEO of Fundrise, the largest direct-to-consumer alternative asset manager in the US. Under his leadership, Fundrise has grown to over 2 million active users and over $3 billion in real estate private equity, private credit, and growth-stage venture capital. Ben also serves as Chairman of the Board of three publicly-…
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This Episode Has So Many God Damn Reflections… It Could Be A Mirror - Special New Year’s Episode!
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A massive HAPPY NEW YEAR to you ALL - And we really are spoiling you with ANOTHER HOUR LONG special episode (!!!)… In today’s bumper, chockers etc. etc. episode: Naomi shares how hectic her Christmas was and takes time out to reflect on how massive 2023 was for her in "Wifey Lifey" After the last episode where she was given a few home truths, it’s …
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Future of Office | WeWork, Adam Neumann, & the Great Startup Delusion, with WSJ Best-seller Author Eliot Brown
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Eliot Brown is the co-author of The Cult of We (with Maureen Farrell), a WSJ best-selling book, and winner of the Financial Times, Fortune, and NPR Best Book of the Year Awards. Eliot covers startups and venture capital for The Wall Street Journal in London. He joined the Journal in 2010, when he was hired to cover commercial real estate in the wak…
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The ‘MAMMOTH, BUMPER, JAMMED PACKED, CHOCKERS CHRISTMAS’ Episode!
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Merry Christmas Everybody! In today’s special HOUR LONG episode (!!!): Naomi shares what she’ll be up to this Christmas which includes cooking a traditional turkey lunch for a cast of thousands, and shares crap present ideas in "Wifey Lifey" Lou brings on EX-tra special guest - her ex Jason! He dishes the dirt on what it’s REALLY like to date her a…
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“Rules?! There Are No Rules in DATE CLUB!” Actually, There Is One - Don’t Go Calling Us “Sexay”! (Ain’t No Spelling Mistake There, Folks…!)
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In today’s episode: Naomi gives her thoughts on if we should still be paying attention to the thousands of “Dating Rules” out in the yonder in "Wifey Lifey" After her train train wreck last date, Lou has decided to take a sabbatical from dating but shares some of her tips on good conversation starters to all those still keeping the faith in it in "…
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How Multifamily Investors Can Decarbonize Buildings Profitably & Avoid Fines, with Kelvin Founder & CEO Marshall Cox
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Marshall Cox is a PhD in Electrical Engineering, and the Founder and CEO at Kelvin, winner of the MIT Clean energy prize, the Popular Science Innovation Award, and the Verizon Powerful Answers award. The Kelvin team has developed a system that eliminates overheating in pre-war buildings. The system, called the Cozy, is a wireless, low-cost, and eas…
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“Erm, Excuse me Waiter… And I hate to be THAT person, but we appear to have THE WRONG MEAT IN MY SOUP!”
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares the importance of Sexy Time - oops, we mean - KEEPING THE ROMANCE alive in "Wifey Lifey"… Meanwhile in "Lou's Dating Diary", poor Lou is completely OVER IT as we somehow end up on sequel no.49274848 when it comes to over embellished profiles… The Ladies ask the big question – “Have Dating Apps Killed The Effort We U…
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State of Short-term Rentals & Airbnb Regulation, with Hostaway Founder & CEO Marcus Räder
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Marcus Räder started his first company when he was 11 years old. Since then, he's been learning about the world of business, growing up in an environment where global communication and connectivity gets better each day. With 10 years of experience in EdTech and online marketing at various startups, he decided it was time to help others. By founding…
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"I'm 6ft tall (ish).... I'm 46(ish)... I'm an Engineer(ish)... And I Love To Travel(ish).... I Swear I Honestly Do(ish)..."
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares how important the 'Three Month Rule" is, and explains to us all what its all about in "Wifey Lifey", Sit back, relax, put your feet up and grab a cup of cocoa (or in our case, a stiff drink) as Lou recounts a dating story with consequences in "Lou's Dating Diary"! The Ladies ask the big question – ‘How can we identi…
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Cannabis Real Estate Opportunities & Challenges, with Zoned Properties CEO Bryan McLaren
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Bryan McLaren is the Chairman & CEO at Zoned Properties, providing regulated Cannabis Real Estate and knowledge since 2014. Cannabis is now legal across 37 US states, and NYC's recent roll-out has put the industry under scrutiny. In this episode, Edward Cohen & Zach Aarons explore the opportunities for Commercial Real Estate investors and retail ow…
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Is it a Bird? Is it a Plane? No its just Naomi and her Beau Taekwondo-ing and Jujitsu-ing their way through luuuuurve, and the ashes of Lou’s dumpster fire date!
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares how a deep friendship with your potential partner as well as having 2 double black belts in martial arts is the key to ongoing relationship success in "Wifey Lifey", Lou calls in the Ghostbusters for all the 'Ghoster’s' out there… as well as the Fire department for her dumpster fire of a recent date in "Lou's Dating…
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Bridging the Gap Between Short-Term Real Estate Lenders, Borrowers & Investors, with Groundfloor Co-founder Nick Bhargava | Tangent @ Blueprint
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Groundfloor is a private real estate lending marketplace open to non-accredited investors. Groundfloor opens the door to short-term, high-yield returns backed by real estate. Their platform brings together individual investors looking for short-term lending investments and borrowers looking for short-term financing for their specific real estate pr…
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All she hears are Crickets, trying to be Zoolander in the bathroom, and a match made in heaven - Sweet Potatoes and Broccoli in a SOUP?!
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares the importance of sharing common interests with your or a potential partner in "Wifey Lifey" In "Lou's Dating Diary", Lou gives her advice on what makes a great online dating profile… and it’s definitely not selfies taken in the bathroom or toilet! The Ladies ask the big question – ‘What expectations should we have …
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How to Maximize Multifamily Performance with Renter Analytics, with RCKRBX CEO Michael Broder & COO James Moore
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RCKRBX is the first real estate SaaS platform that puts the voice of the renter at the Multifamily developer's and investor's fingertips, including across key investment, development, marketing, leasing, and management decision points. The platform delivers actionable intelligence around the preferences, priorities, attitudes, and viewpoints that d…
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In The Immortal Words Of Shaggy: “It Wasn’t Me!” … And If That Fails: “I’m Sorry, But My House Burnt down!”
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In today’s episode! Naomi shares the importance of values and ethics when looking at a potential partner… Plus, is there really an etiquette to “sharing food” when out on a date in "Wifey Lifey" In "Lou's Dating Diary", Lou dishes the dirt on everything that happened whilst out on her most recent date… And explains why even SHE wouldn’t date someon…
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The Easiest Way to Integrate Multifamily Property Management & Proptech, with Propify CEO & Co-founder Remen Okoruwa | Tangent @ Blueprint
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Remen Okoruwa is product-minded leader who's working to unlock data for the property management industry. Remen and his co-founders met while they were working at Hubspot, and are now bringing their deep expertise about integrations to streamline Multifamily property management operations for all stakeholders. Propify (YC W23) recently raised $3.3M…
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State of the Self Storage Market, On Demand Storage Models & Creating Value with Social Media Content, with DXD Capital Co-founder Cory Sylvester
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As the Co-Founder of DXD Capital, Cory Sylvester brings 14 years of Real Estate & Finance expertise to revolutionize the Self Storage industry. Passionate about utilizing data and technology, Cory is building the largest platform for building and buying self storage facilities in the US. His Self Storage journey began with co-founding Radius+, a su…
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Life (And This Podcast, Apparently!) Really Does Begin In Your 40’s...!
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In this opening episode, Naomi and Lou officially introduce "What They Said...!" to the world and explain why they started it! Naomi shares advice on dating again, post break up in "Wifey Lifey" Lou gives her take on how she is finding the world of online dating in "Lou's Dating Diary" The Ladies ask the big question - 'Why is dating above 40, so d…
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Solving the Construction Labor Shortage with Mobile Micro-Factories, with Cuby Co-founder Aleks Gampel | Tangent @ Blueprint
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Aleksandr Gampel co-founded Cuby Technologies with Aleh Kandrashou in 2021 to tackle the construction labor shortage. After 200,000 engineering hours, Cuby is setting the stage to commercialize hundreds of mobile micro-factories (MMF's) on or near construction sites to enable developers, general contractors and local partners to build better buildi…
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CoreLogic CIO John Rogers on 22K Data Sources to Power Real Estate, Affordable Housing Development & Mitigate Climate Risk | Tangent @ Blueprint
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John Rogers is the Chief Innovation Officer at CoreLogic, leading R&D on the biggest asset class in the world - the US Real Estate Economy, and driving new product development to market via an iconic property & location intelligence platform called Discovery. This platform allows clients that rely on data, insights, models and answers to drive grow…
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Zillow Co-Founder Spencer Rascoff on the New Proptech Wave, Democratizing Access with Housing Innovation, & LA Tech Ecosystem
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Spencer Rascoff co-founded and ran Zillow for a decade as its CEO. Spencer is also the co-founder at Pacaso and, through his startup studio and VC firm, 75 & Sunny, is an active angel investor in more than 100 companies and is incubating several more. Rascoff is a NYT’s best selling author based in LA who focuses on Proptech, the future of work and…
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Housing Crisis | It's Not a Mortgage, It's Not Renting, It's Acre, with Acre Homes CEO & Co-founder Mike Schneider
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Mike Schneider is the CEO & Co-founder of Acre Homes. Acre combines the ease of renting with the financial upside of owning. Acre is available in Raleigh-Durham, and will be launching in Atlanta and Nashville soon. Previously, Mike served as the VP of Technology Strategy at RE/MAX, and Co-founded First, a real estate tech company that leveraged mac…
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Housing Crisis | Using Robots to Build Homes Faster & Cheaper, with BotBuilt CEO Brent Wadas
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Brent Wadas is the CEO at BotBuilt, a Y-Combinator Construction technology company based in Durham, NC that is revolutionizing building homes with robots to address the labor shortage and housing affordability crisis. Brent served in the US Army in Afghanistan after 9/11, where he fulfilled his patriotic calling. BotBuilt employs a methodology that…
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Creating Pro-housing Ecosystems, with Ivory Innovations' Chief Innovation & Strategy Jenna Louie
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Jenna Louie leads partnerships and strategic outreach at Ivory Innovations, and was previously an investor with the Urban Development Deal Team at Stanford. Ivory Innovations' mission is to catalyze innovation in housing affordability by promoting the most compelling ideas in housing by convening industry experts, inspiring students to tackle housi…
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The Real Deal's Amir Korangy on the Future of Real Estate Media, Building Hybrid Real Estate Communities & AI Opportunities & Threats
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Amir R. Korangy is an Iranian-American publisher and film producer, who founded the business magazine, The Real Deal, about real estate and finance news. He also produced the PBS documentary, "Building Stories", about architect Costas Kondylis. Amir Korangy is also an adjunct associate professor of media and real estate at New York University where…
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Housing Crisis | Transforming Housing Development with Workforce Creation & Political Innovation, with Inherent L3C CEO Tim Swanson
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Timothy Swanson is the President & CEO of Inherent L3C, a Chicago-based low profit LLC focused on enabling and empowering long term affordable homeownership and generational wealth creation through modular housing development, workforce platform and a smart home marketplace for future homeowners. 💚Learn more: ➡️Inherent L3C (site) - Transforming li…
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How to Increase Workplace Efficiency, Improve Tenant Well-being & Reach Sustainability Goals, with Enlighted CEO Stefan Schwab
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Stefan Schwab is the CEO of Enlighted (acquired by Siemens), a Proptech provider of IoT solutions at the intersection of people, space, and work. Enlighted combines cognitive environmental IoT sensors and lighting controls that connect to intelligent workplace experience apps, offering a singular, scalable, interoperable solution to address a spect…
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Bonus | Discomfort Zone: What Have You Changed Your Mind About? Ft. Steve Eisman, Zach Aarons, Nick Romito, Kevin Ortner, Imran Noorani & Noah Isaacs
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This is a Tangent Special episode. Discomfort Zone: the art of stepping out of your comfort zone to pivot in business and in life, and the science of changing your mind when you are faced with new facts and acquire new experiences. (0:25) - Zach Aarons (GP & Co-founder at MetaProp) (3:03) - Nick Romito (CEO & Founder at VTS) (3:47) - Kevin Ortner (…
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Housing Crisis | Rent-to-Invest & Build Residential Real Estate Wealth, with Roots Co-founder Daniel Dorfman
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Daniel Dorfman is the Co-founder at Roots, an Atlanta-based company aiming to help 1 million people create wealth through residential real estate investing and their innovative ''Rent it like you own it'' program. 💚Learn more: ➡️Roots (site) - The real estate portfolio that creates wealth for you and its Residents 💚Feature: ➡️Dottid (book a demo) -…
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AI Opportunities for Real Estate, Regional Banks' Impact on CRE & Creating Value with Software, with Dealpath CEO Mike Sroka
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Mike Sroka, CEO and Co-founder of Dealpath, a leading cloud-based software platform for commercial real estate investment and development teams, including Blackstone, Nuveen, Oxford Properties and L+M. Mike currently also contributes to Forbes' Real Estate Council, and previously worked as a PM at Zynga. Edward & Jeff are joined by friend of Tangen…
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