The official podcast of the Emergent Strategy Ideation Institute - each episode we dive deeply into the life, practice and experimentation of a person or group who we see as living embodiments of emergent strategy. Emergent Strategy is about how we get in right relationship with change - what are the simple interactions that can shift and shape complex systems and patterns? Hosts are Sage Crump, Mia Herndon and adrienne maree brown.
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Fan Favorite: Boundaried in Love with Prentis Hemphill (2021)
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As we near the end of season 2 of the ESII podcast, we decided to share a favorite past episode chosen by our listeners. This week, as many are celebrating, grieving, and reflecting on love, it only seemed right to replay Boundaried in Love with Prentis Hemphill from season 1. The Emergent Strategy Podcast brings you a tender conversation between a…
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Host Favorites: Relating During the Pandemic with Autumn Brown (2021)
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As we near the end of season 2 of the ESII podcast, we chose our all-time favorite past episodes for you to enjoy. This week, adrienne chose Relating During the Pandemic with Autumn Brown from season 1. Mother, organizer, theologian and writer, Autumn Brown, joins host Mia Herndon on this week's episode of The Emergent Strategy Podcast. In a lively…
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Host Favorites: Chaos Minded with Mwende Katwiwa (2021)
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As we near the end of season 2 of the ESII podcast, we chose our all-time favorite past episodes for you to enjoy. This week, Mia chose Chaos Minded with Mwende Katwiwa from season 1. Performer, speaker, author, poet, Mwende Katwiwa, joins Emergent Strategy podcast host, Sage Crump, to talk about poetics, question what is seen as inherent, and the …
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Host Favorites: Devotion, Strategy and Rigor with Sendolo Diaminah (2021)
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As we near the end of season 2 of the ESII podcast, we chose our all-time favorite past episodes for you to enjoy. This week, Sage chose Devotion, Strategy and Rigor with Sendolo Diaminah from season 1. "White supremacy and capitalism wants us to believe that they are the most important thing going on and that the whole world is against us. The who…
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Shifting the Culture with Complex Movements
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Complex Movements is a Detroit-based artist collective supporting the transformation of communities by exploring the connections of complex science and social justice movements through multimedia interactive performance work. Carlos, Sage, Wes, and Ill of Complex Movements join adrienne to discuss nonlinearity, the development and evolution of the …
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Mia Mingus is a writer, educator, and trainer for transformative justice and disability justice. She founded and currently leads SOIL: A Transformative Justice Project, which builds the conditions for transformative justice to grow and thrive. This week, Mia meets with adrienne to discuss quitting capitalism, practice, and climate catastrophe. Tran…
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Liberatory Harm Reduction with Shira Hassan
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Shira Hassan is a long time activist whose work focuses on the experiences of girls, boys, transgender and queer youth involved in the sex trade and street economy. She is the co-author of Fumbling Towards Repair and the author of Saving Our Own Lives. This week, Shira joins Sage to talk about black holes, her book Saving Our Own Lives, and sex wor…
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Ericka Huggins is a human rights activist, poet, educator, Black Panther leader and former political prisoner. Ericka joins adrienne to talk about freedom as an inside job, the teachings of meditation, and recognizing the women of the Black Panther Party in her newest book Comrade Sisters. Transcript found here.…
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Moya Bailey is a scholar, writer, and activist whose work focuses on how race, gender, and sexuality are represented in media and medicine. She is currently an associate professor in the Department of Communication Studies at Northwestern University. This week, Moya meets with Mia to explore the distinction between urgency and importance, being in …
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Answering Your Call with Nicole Newman and Aja Taylor
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Nicole Newman is a poet, writer, sister, and coach. Aja Taylor is a facilitator, sex educator, sister, and writer. Together, they co-founded Two Brown Girls Consulting Cooperative. This week, Nicole and Aja join adrienne to discuss creating more space, the practice of invitations, and science fiction as a source of politicization. Transcript found …
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Ashoka Finley is an emergent strategist and the founder of hypha, a subscription that funds climate solutions. This week, Ashoka and adrienne meet to talk about elemental practices, feeling wholeness in liminal spaces, and what it means to build a new world. Transcript found here.
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Controlling Our Narrative with Vicki Meek
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Vicki Meek is an artist, curator, arts administrator, and cultural critic whose career spans decades. This week, Vicki joins Sage to talk about Elizabeth's Catlett's influence, collaborating with artists from different disciplines, and reimagining the Black archive. Transcript found here.
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The Power of Play and Imagination with Chelsea Cleveland
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Chelsea Cleveland is an organizer, facilitator, and the co-founder of Hearing Youth Voices, a youth organization based in New London, CT. Chelsea joins Yanitza, facilitation cohort member and former ESII staff, and Mia, this week's ESII host, to talk about listening to disabled people, dreaming about an Octavia Butler tarot deck, and thinking of lo…
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Micky ScottBey Jones, The Justice Doula, is an author, speaker, and healing justice practicioner. In this IG Live Interview, adrienne talks with Micky about brave space, plagiarism, accountability, call-outs, and learning in public. Transcript found here.
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Imagining What's On The Other Side with Makani Themba
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Makani Themba is an author, innovator, and currently the Chief Strategist at Higher Ground Change Strategies based in Jackson, MS. A long-time organizer, Makani meets with ESII host, Sage, to discuss genealogies, the economy as a set of relationships, and the power of imagination. Transcript found here.…
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Black Feminist Futures with Paris Hatcher
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Paris Hatcher is the executive director of Black Feminist Future, a political hub focused on the dynamic possibilities of galvanizing the social and political power of Black women, girls, and gender-expansive people towards liberation. Paris joins Mia to talk about being deliberately emergent, learning from the natural world, and Black feminism as …
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Metabolizing Fear with Briana Herman-Brand
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Briana Herman-Brand is a teacher, facilitator, and parent. This week, she joins adrienne to talk about trusting from within, the possibilities of co-housing, and unlearning processes from white supremacist culture. Transcript found here.
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Declaring the Self You Want with Alta Starr
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A sonic treat this week with BOLD organizer Alta Starr. Alta is a bodyworker, organizer, poet, and tarot reader. Alta converses with ESII host, Sage, about existentialism, our agency when it comes to imbuing circumstance with meaning (or not), and tarot use for less predictive outcomes and more as a space for reflection, play, and reinterpretation …
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Minding Your Relations with Adaku Utah
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Adaku Utah is a 6th generation Igbo healer and the organizing director of the National Network of Abortion Funds. Adaku and Mia meet to talk about organizing and providing services to communities outside of the parameters of the state, and Adaku points to the work that is required for tending to our relationships. They also leads listeners through …
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Yazmany Arboleda is the People's Artist for New York City through the Civic Engagement Commission. This week, Yazmany joins adrienne to talk about the possibilities of creating an active, experimental, and more imaginative and democratic engagement with the people who make up a place. Transcript found here.…
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Disrupting White Dominant Culture with ashley sparks
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ashley sparks is a theater maker, facilitator, engagement strategist, and collaboration coach and consultant. ashley joins Sage this week on the Emergent Strategy Podcast to talk about bringing their artistry into activism spaces, getting buttoned up adults to soften, and the grieving that comes when parts of ourselves need to be let go or are chal…
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Acupuncturist or Blacupuncturist, Lindsay Fauntleroy, joins ESII host, Mia, for a conversation about possible overlap between African-based traditions and Chinese medicine. She is also the author of the new book In Our Element: Using the Five Elements as Soul Medicine to Unleash Your Personal Power, and Lindsay talks to Mia about the beauty and pra…
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Caitlin Breedlove is the current Deputy Executive Director at the Women's March and author of a forthcoming book about her experience with ovarian cancer. A long time organizer, Caitlin meets with ESII host, adrienne, to discuss how approaching and experiencing cancer has informed her work as an organizer and vice versa. Caitlin and adrienne also t…
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Radical Grievance with Malkia Devich Cyril
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Grief is power and grief as a way to strength and intimacy are some of the ideas that this week's Emergent Strategy Podcast guest, Malkia Devich-Cyril, explores with host, Sage. An illuminating conversation about an honest collective embrace of grief that might also aid in our emphasis on belonging. This is our last episode until September. ESII is…
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Embodied Decolonization with Camille Barton
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Artist and embodiment educator, Camille Barton, talks with ESII host, adrienne, about art, somatics, and strides to move towards a more decolonized inner (and outer) world. Camille has learned that somatics is less about relaxation and more about being able to sit with and feel more. Transcript can be found here.…
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Slowness, Intention, and Ease with Latham Thomas Part 2
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Latham Thomas continues her conversation with ESII host, Mia. Latham is an entrepreneur, self-care sorceress and founder of Mama Glow, New York's premiere maternity lifestyle brand committed to supporting women and birthing people along the childbearing continuum. In part two of their conversation, Latham talks about Mama Glow, care work needing to…
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Slowness, Ease, and Intention with Latham Thomas Part 1
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"The Universe rewards courage," says Latham Thomas, founder of Mama Glow and this week's Emergent Strategy Podcast guest. In part one, of a two-part interview, Latham joins longtime friend and ESII host, Mia Herndon, to talk about working towards a rhythm that works for you, tending to the things that we want to see come to fruition, and the practi…
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Slowing Down Your Slow Down with Geoffrey Jackson Scott
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Geoffrey Jackson Scott is a culture organizer, engagement strategist, creative producer and co-founder of Peoplmovr, which works with people to design strategies that move people towards liberation. Geoffrey joins ESII host, Sage, to talk about the physical, spiritual, and mental spaces his work asks of him and some of the components of what it tak…
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Dear listeners, if you all did not already know how fantastic microbes are, Kasha Ho, is about to let you know. Kasha is the co-founder of the Groundwork Project and an avid and seasoned fermenter. Kasha relays to ESII host, adrienne, how the bubbling, briny, and delicious microorganisms found in foods like kimchi and sauerkraut support our gut hea…
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Cris Izaguirre is a farmer, writer, educator, trans, and queer Nicaraguan immigrant of Afro-Indigenous descent. He joins ESII host, Mia Herndon, on the podcast this week to converse about the queerness of plants, decolonizing the natural world, land stewardship, and how farming isn't for everyone. Transcript found here.…
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Omisade Burney-Scott of The Black Girl's Guide to Surviving Menopause comes through to talk with ESII host, Sage Crump, about the difference between being older versus being an elder. Burney-Scott and Crump jokingly question the term "yelder," and reflect on the oftentimes rough edges of the liminal space. Burney-Scott's words encourage a gentle pa…
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The Nonlinearity of Healing with Spenta Kandawalla
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"Understanding our trauma is really important, but so is understanding -- not just our resilience -- but actually, I think, also understanding the places that we were loved, wanted, cherished, lifted up..." says Spenta Kandawalla, L.A.c. Kandawalla talks to ESII this week about material well-being, reorienting around the idea of impact, and the mag…
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Artist, somatic coach, and medium, Daria Garina joins ESII host, Mia, to talk about what accountability looks like, especially when we're feeling shame or guilt. How can we embody accountability as a way to integrate lessons, parts of ourselves, and move towards repair? Transcript can be found here.
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Possibility and Pragmatism with Thelma Golden
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In her 22-year career, Thelma Golden and her team have lead with an eye to the future while being in conversation with leaders past, and hands in the community and arts world. Director and Chief Curator at the The Studio Museum in Harlem, Golden joins ESII host, Sage, to talk about her road to the arts, the life and role of The Studio Museum in Har…
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What the Whales Tell Us with Michaela Harrison
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Michaela Harrison is a transmitter of music through song. Ya'll, Michaela also has a special relationship with our whale relatives. Harrison sits down with ESII host, adrienne, to talk about catching songs, singing with whales, and expanding our relationship with water. Transcript can be found here.
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Design With Care: Lin Yee Yuan of Mold Magazine
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This week on The Emergent Strategy Podcast, Lin Yee Yuan, founder of Mold Magazine joins ESII host, Mia Herndon, to talk about industrial design as a place of experimentation and problem solving when it comes to facing our food crisis. Lin Yee and her team take an expansive and community-oriented approach to design and, and, and --well, you'll just…
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What does it mean to make art outside of market politics? To use art not as an accompaniment to activism movements but an integral tool in constructing a new order? Quetzal Flores, musician, community member, and artivist works through this question with ESII host Sage Crump. "...oftentimes when we're talking about artists I feel like we're actuall…
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Season 2: Fractaling with adrienne, Mia and Sage
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Season 2 is here holding hands with Spring! Also, Happy Bookday to Emergent Strategy! Five years ago today, the book dropped and has been moving between hands, circles, and spurring conversation. Sage, Mia, and adrienne reflect on what has happened over the past five years and what they are looking forward to for the upcoming season. Transcript to …
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I'll Stop There: Season One Reflection with adrienne, Mia, and Sage
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The Emergent Strategy Podcast hosts, adrienne, Mia, and Sage debrief about and reflect on season one. We'll be back in March 2022 with season two, amazing guests, and continued emergence in conversation. Transcript found here.
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Spell work, Spirit work and room for the unseen with Selma Alamin and Aesha Rasheed
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Witches and queer Muslim femmes, Aesha Rasheed and Selma Alamin of Southerners on New Ground (SONG) join host, Mia Herndon, for a conversation about spirit protection, teachers, and movement work as spiritual work. "One of the mistakes that people make is to think that spiritual care is about silencing the hard stuff, it's actually about opening sp…
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Observing Urgency with Yolo Akili Robinson
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Founder and CEO of BEAM (Black Emotional and Mental Health), Yolo Akili Robinson, visits with ESII host, adrienne, to talk about questioning capitalist, nonprofit urgency. Often, nonprofit timelines are not on community timelines. Hear how Robinson and team members navigate circumstances that are at odds.…
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Dancing with the Speed of Trust with Shalewa Mackall
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"All of us got rhythm because all of us have hearts," says Shalewa Mackall choreographer, poet, mother, and artist. Mackall joins Emergent Strategy Podcast host, Mia Herndon, on this week's episode to talk about being in touch with our own rhythms (it's not easy), not gaslighting yourself (okay), and learning to be in touch with your needs.…
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Organizer, facilitator and organizational strategist, PG Watkins, talks with host adrienne this week on the Emergent Strategy podcast. The two shower some love on Detroit and the rich possibilities in organizing that exist in the city as well as taking better care of ourselves and one another in movement building.…
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"...and the medicine showed me that many of the ways in which I did social justice work in the world, actually upheld all of the systems of oppression that I was trying to dismantle," says Mallika Dutt strategic innovator. Dutt joins Emergent Strategy podcast host, Mia Herndon, and shares her journey from from activist to innovator and how Spirit a…
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Devotion, Strategy and Rigor with Sendolo Diaminah
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"White supremacy and capitalism wants us to believe that they are the most important thing going on and that the whole world is against us. The whole world is not against us," says Sendolo Diaminah, co-director of the Carolina Federation. Diaminah joins ESII host, adrienne maree brown, this week to talk about love of strategy, softer rigor (at time…
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Be Bold with Jennifer Toles and Jonathan Stith
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How do we continue towards freedom and care for one another during pandemic times? What does pivoting look like when the world demands we change our plans? This week, Jennifer Toles and Jonathan Stith of Black Organizing for Leadership and Change (BOLD) talk with The Emergent Strategy podcast host, adrienne about centering, adaptation and holding o…
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"What does it mean for the Black body to have a home on this continent that is not tethered to labor but is imbued by your spiritual abundance?" Jonathan McCrory, Executive Artistic Director of the National Black Theater, joins host, Sage Crump, on the Emergent Strategy podcast this week to discuss bringing the book, Emergent Strategy, to the theat…
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Transformative Funding and Organizing with Xiomara Caro-Diaz
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"I think it's a big opportunity in terms of emergence of allowing for new possibilities of things you never imagined. I think that is something important to center in the context of moments where there is a lot of pain, there's grief, there's loss and it's really important to be able to see that -- even in those moments --something new will emerge,…
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Emergent Education with Ana Luis, Luis Alejandro Tapia and Marinieves Alba
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"Who are you when you walk into a space with young people?" asks Ana Luis, education facilitator and one of three guests on the Emergent Strategy podcast this week. Luis is joined by educators Marinieves Alba and Luis Alejandro Tapia to talk about what emergent strategy could look like when applied to the teacher-student dynamic.…
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Philanthropy: A Necessary Death With Javier Torres-Campos
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"Philanthropy is a system that will die with capitalism," says this week's guest, Javier Torres-Campos, program director of the Thriving Cultures program at Surdna Foundation. Torres-Campos manages a $9 million grantmaking portfolio. He talks with host, Sage Crump, about encouraging an imagination in the philanthropy field and creating new values a…
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