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You Can’t Eat the Sunshine is the podcast of Esotouric, the offbeat Los Angeles company that turns the notion of guided bus tours on its ear. Each week, join Kim Cooper and Richard Schave on their Southern California adventures, as they visit with fascinating characters for wide-ranging interviews that reveal the myths, contradictions, inspirations and passions of the place. There’s never been a city quite like Los Angeles. Tune in if you’d like to find out why.
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Curious Realm

Host ~ Christopher Jordan

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The light of truth shines in darkness! Curious Realm sheds light on the hard conversations and fringe topics usually skipped over by mainstream media. We believe that within these conversations lies the opportunity to build unity, understanding and common empathy among people and by avoiding them we are effectively stunting our growth as a human society! Join us as we delve into the deepest realms of human curiosity and beyond. Visit our LISTEN LIVE page and join the conversation every Tuesd ...
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Through the Pages

your bookish podcast

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Welcome to Through the Pages, your bookish podcast in which we read books that are considered classics to figure out if they're worth your while - and to discover why they are amongst the classics. Brought to you by two book-obsessed friends - because books only truly come alive when you talk about them. Follow us on Instagram @throughthepagespod.
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In the first part of this episode of the Curious Realm host Christopher Jordan welcomes Reverend Peter Panagore to discuss his near-death experience after freezing on the side of a mountain. What did his journey on the other side entail? What messages did he receive, and how did his experience change not only his life, but his understanding of the …
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In the first part of this episode of the Curious Realm host Christopher Jordan welcomes Author and founder of the Institute for Resonance, Dr Simeon Hein, to discuss the world of crop circles. From weird energies and mysterious origins to devil circles of the medieval ages, and yes, even modern hoaxers, crop circles have a long and storied history.…
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In the first part of this episode of the Curious Realm host Christopher Jordan welcomes Les Velez, co-founder of O.P.U.S. the Organization for Paranormal Understanding and Support. We discuss the ways we understand paranormal, the many approaches to investigation in the field, as well as the need for field researchers to be able to share data with …
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In the first part of this episode of the Curious Realm host Christopher Jordan welcomes lead investigator and founder of 5x5 News, Mike Turber to discuss the massive world of future tech living just behind the scenes of our everyday life. From uber-intelligent robots to new meta materials with amazing properties, and more on the horizon, where is h…
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In the first part of this episode of the Curious Realm host Christopher Jordan welcomes Kathleen Marden, author, researcher, and niece of abductees Betty and Barney Hill. She responds to the recent bombshell statements made by Dr Steven Greer regarding this now famed case, claiming that it was not a case of true alien abduction, but rather a covert…
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In the first part of this episode of the Curious Realm host Christopher Jordan welcomes Dennis Stone, owner of America’s Stonehenge, and author of the new book America’s Stonehenge: The Stone Ruins of New Hampshire. What new revelations does Dennis have about this North American archeological site? Why does it have so many archeo-astronomic alignme…
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In the first part of this episode of the Curious Realm host Christopher Jordan welcomes author Dan Duke to discuss his research into the falsified death of Jesse James, famed outlaw, and relative of Dan. What were the reasons Jesse may have wanted to fake his death? Why would he come to Texas, and did he bring with him a horde of Confederate gold?I…
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In the first part of this episode of the Curious Realm host Christopher Jordan welcomes Billy Joe Cain, founder of Radical Empathy Education Foundation, a company dedicated to eradicating human trafficking through building empathy towards victims using virtual reality. Billy also helped start PBJ Learning, a company helping build Human Trafficking …
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In the first part of this episode of the Curious Realm host Christopher Jordan welcomes professional dowser and researcher Maria Wheatley to discuss the world of dowsing. How does the method of dowsing work? What can be found using this centuries old method, and what did Maria discover when she began her work of dowsing at Stonehenge?In the second …
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We are reviewing the good, the bad, the new and the (un)honourable mentions of our Q1 reading experience! We're back on the Whodunnit train, do love ourselves some historical fiction and share one honourable and one unhonourable mention to end these first 3 months of reading in 2024. Titles mentioned: The English Understand Wool by Helen deWitt Boo…
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Our most enchanted episode yet - or is it? In this episode, we tackle our first fairy tale and chat about a story we probably all know: Cinderella. But if your first thoughts upon hearing this are Disney, glass slipper and happily ever after, you're in for a surprise. The original story, put into writing by the Brothers Grimm in 1812/15 in their co…
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After we both had a great reading year in 2023, we’re excited about all the bookish discoveries we’ll make in 2024. In this episode we chat about our reading intentions for the coming year, the books we’re looking forward to, what we’d like to read more of, and why we started the year with a bunch of short reads (short books for the win!). Books me…
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For the 100th anniversary of Kafka's death, we have decided to feature him on our podcast for a second time. This time with the absurd, cruel, and creepy novella about Gregor Samsa's terrifying awakening. We talk about the elephant in the room and what it could mean and chat about why this particular story was particularly disturbing. Let us know w…
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We all know the story, a lot of us grew up with it: Alice and her fun little trip to Wonderland. But, if like us, you’ve never actually read the story, this one’s for you! Tag along as we go down the rabbit hole and try to wrap our head around Lewis Caroll’s novel that was first published in 1865. We chat about Alice’s unsettling trip and the chara…
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One of the most well known Bildungsromane, Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontë follows the life of the title character from one unfortunate event to the next. In this episode we talk about how this 1847 classic still translates well into our current time and inner monologues and how Rochester might make the top 5 worst men in literary history!…
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Perhaps the most anticipated episode of our podcast - at least definitely for one of our hosts. We discuss her favourite classic, Dracula by Bram Stoker. The 1897 novel introduced the famous father of all vampires and has since doubtlessly influenced every narrative of "The Undead" that we can think of. Join us as we take a trip to Transylvania and…
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The wait is over! Mike Flanagan's new gothic horror miniseries "The Fall of the House of Usher" if finally out on Netflix - and if you can't already tell: we're excited. The series is loosely based on Edgar Allan Poe's short story of the same name (first published in 1839), so of course we had to go back to the original material and explore this cl…
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Though Truman Capote describes socialite Holly Golightly as being “top banana in the shock department” in his 1958 novella Breakfast at Tiffany’s - we beg to differ. In this episode we discuss Breakfast at Tiffany’s, try to make sense of its main character (and creepy narrator), chat about what did not sit right with us when reading, how the novell…
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It is considered one of the most outstanding crime novels of the 20th century, so we had to read it! We're discussing The Postman Always Rings Twice (1934) and have contrasting opinions on its "enjoyability", realise there is no postman in it and talk about why it must have caused shock waves back in the 30s. What did you think of it? Have you seen…
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Our very first Salinger and let's just say it might not have been our favourite classic so far. We discuss the different times of publications, how they would both make for amazing plays and why we did enjoy Franny more than Zooey! (& why thanks to Jack Edwards, we knew it was pronounced "Z-oo-ey" and not "Zoe-y"). Have you read it? What did you th…
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We are finally discussing the mother of all dark-academia books! The Secret History by Donna Tartt is undoubtedly a Modern American Classic and we are here to dissect the dynamics between characters, how horrible everyone is and how we wish we were as eloquent as Mother Tartt. What are your thoughts on this Secret History? Follow us @throughthepage…
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You may know The Haunting of Hill House from the acclaimed TV series - but at the heart of that adaptation is the 1959 gothic horror novel by American author Shirley Jackson. Considered to be the ghost story of the 20th century, this classic is a story about (yes, you guessed it) a haunted house and four characters determined to get to the bottom o…
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We’re starting 2023 with an Australin classic (our first!) - Picnic at Hanging Rock by Joan Lindsay. First published in 1967, this novel has an intriguing premise: The year is 1900 and a group of students from an all girls boarding ventures to Hanging Rock for a cosy afternoon picnic. But the outing takes a dark turn when three students and a teach…
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In this pre-Holidays episode, we disucss The Queen of Crime, the creator of the modern Murder Mystery and the woman who mastered the Whodunnit. We each read the other's favourite Christie novel and discussed why we love them, our favourite adaptations and if we're team Poirot or Marple. Tune in, and let us know which cosy crime story is your favour…
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We read the classic of classics and feature our first author repetition. We are talking "Animal Farm"! 🐽 How to sum up a novella that is packed with political messaging, the psychology of humans, and heavy themes? We've given it our best shot and were able to feature some listener questions! Thank you for submitting them. If you want to chat about …
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🎃 HALLOWEEN SPECIAL 👻 - It's Halloween, which is why today's special episode is a spine chilling horror novella straight out of Germany. E.T.A. Hoffmann's The Sandman was published in 1816 but is as creepy as ever! The figure of the Sandman has accompanied us throughout history and Hoffmann surely had a big influence on the dark side of this mythic…
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We couldn't start a podcast about classics and never read a Sherlock Holmes story! For this installment, we read the third of Conan Doyle's four novels and arguably the most loved and most famous one: The Hound of the Baskervilles. And don't worry, there were no spoilers about the ending! Originally serialised in "The Strand Magazine" from 1901 to …
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We're back with a creepy classic for the Spooky Season! Frankenstein by Mary Shelley came out January 1st 1818 and was written when Mary was only 18 years old! We dissect this horror story, partially set in our home country and find ourselves empathising with an unexpected character! Listen and read along.…
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We all know it, we might have all had to read it at some point: Pride and Prejudice! The 1813 novel, written by Jane Austen threw both of us into the world of English literature and may or may not have had an influence of what we thought England was like for quite some time. We discuss characters, screen adaptations (!) and Keira Knightley in our f…
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A book that is a first for the podcast! In this episode we discuss a science fiction novel for the very first time: Babel-17 by Samuel R. Delany, published in 1966. We chat about galaxies, spaceships, strong lead characters, and the topic at the heart of the novel: language and how it influences our thinking and understanding of the world. Let us k…
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We're back with season 3! We're kicking it off with a recap of where we've been and what we've been up to and then dive straight into "The Yellow Wallpaper", a short story by Charlotte Perkins Gilman, published 1892 in The New England Magazine. It is an important piece of early US feminist literature and deals with women's position in society and t…
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The Turn of the Screw is an 1898 horror novella by Henry James that first appeared in serial format. This week we discuss how slightly underwhelmed we were by the character development and how it was another case of premise > execution. We also delve into The Haunting of Bly Manor that just came out last weekend and how easily scared we are by toda…
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Part 1 of our Spooky October Classics series is here! We start off with the classic English ghost story, The Woman in Black. This is a textbook gothic ghost story – think old, haunted house, poltergeist-y moving objects and a ghost with an agenda. Do we have opinions? Yes.Were we deeply traumatised by the film that was inspired by the book? Yes. Di…
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Needless to say, Octavia Butler is one of the most renowned Science Fiction writers we read today. With multiple Nebula and Hugo award, she was the first ever Science Ficiton writer to be awarded the MacArthur Fellowship. Kindred is the first novel of hers we both have read and whilst we loved the premise, the actual plot didn't quite sit right wit…
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This week we read The Invisible Man by H.G. Wells, first published in 1897 – all about one man's scientific experiment of becoming invisible. Often described as an early sci-fi/horror story – but let's just say we have mixed feelings. We also chat about the 2020 film inspired by the book, starring Elizabeth Moss which definitely succeeded in giving…
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This 1982 epistolary novel by Alice Walker is an integral part of US American literature and one that was on our radar for a long time. We now finally got to reading it and it was one of our more intense reading experiences. Told through letters to God by 14 year old Celie, we get a glimpse of what her life was like in the South of the early 1900s.…
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This week we chat about H.P. Lovecraft’s The Call of Cthulhu, written in 1926 and published in a pulp magazine in 1928. Lovecraft is considered to be one of the pioneers of horror and sci-fi writing and has influenced countless other writing and story-telling of the same genres. But is The Call of Cthulhu an entertaining monster/horror story or a h…
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CW: Talk about suicide, self harm, rape This was a heavy and dark read where the conversation afterwards was needed. The Bell Jar is the depiction of a period in Esther Greenwood's life as she struggles with her mental health, life and societal norms. It is a sad tale, considering also the author's own history with mental illness and is definitely …
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This week we talk about Toni Morrison’s prize winning novel Beloved, published in 1987. Book discussion starts at: 10:30 This was an extremely tough, yet hauntingly beautiful read. Join the conversation as we touch on the theme of trauma, the novel’s ghost story elements, attempt an interpretation, and swoon over Morrison’s evocative writing. As al…
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...aaand we're back! We're kicking off the new season with a big one - 100 Years of Solitude has been a wild ride of magical realism and is definitely one that we'll carry with us for a while. We have also made some changes to our format and will be launching an episode every Wednesday! Book discussion starts at 10:10…
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A Bonus Episode before we depart on a 2 week summer break! We teamed up with The Blank Was Better Podcast (@thepodcastwasbetter on Instagram) talking about the book and movie adaptation of Patricia Highsmith's The Talented Mr. Ripley. We couldn't be more excited to share this with you as we all had a blast recording it; talking book vs. movie, a dr…
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This summer looks a lot different than planned, but let’s talk summer reads anyway to get in that summery holiday spirit! We chat about the perfect beach reads (even if there's no beach in sight, these can be enjoyed from a sofa or balcony!), recommend holiday books we’ve read in the past, mention books that are perfect for a bit of escapism, and t…
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This week we read an American classic, Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison (published 1952) – a story of black identity and invisibility. A heavy, at times uncomfortable, but absolutely necessary read (“was published in 1952, could have been written last year”). We discuss themes of powerlessness, disillusionment and the fight for individuality. Let us …
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What is more fun than a bookish Q+A? A bookish Q+A with a question for each letter of the alphabet! We found these fun Qs on elgeewrites.com (her instagram is @elgeewrites) and thought we'd each answer half of those in a more-or-less quickfire manner. What was your favourite question or answer? Let us know in the comments or via DM on our Instagram…
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This week, we delve into one of THE American classics – published in 1952, one of Hemingway's later works, and the shortest book yet on our list (which, to be honest, we were not too sad about). It earned a Pulitzer Prize for Fiction and contributed to Hemingway being awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature. We chat about themes of human vs. nature, …
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You shouldn't judge a book by its cover - and while we agree on that, we still like our editions to be pretty! In this Minisode we discuss our favourite cover design, if we prefer paper over hardbacks and how we like to treat our books! If you want to see the covers for yourselves, head over to Instagram @throughthepagespod where we upload our #boo…
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Arguably the most famous dystopian novel to date, 1984 by George Orwell had us hooked from the start. In this episode we share our thoughts on this 1949 classic and talk about how much of the plot resonates with what is happening in today's world and how timeless this novel really is. We'd love to hear your thoughts on this novel - connect with us …
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For this week's Minisode we decided to share our go-to books and literary habits when the world feels heavy and anxiety spikes. These are by no means cures against anxiety, but we hope that maybe one or the other book recommendation can get you out of a negative and anxious headspace and help you take care of yourself in the overwhelming year, that…
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This week we discuss Their Eyes Were Watching God by Zora Neale Hurston, published in 1937. We chat about its lyrical language, the racism its characters face, the story of a woman looking for love – and the birds and the bees! Connect with us on Instagram @througthepagespod and let us know your thoughts about the book.…
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It's our first Beyond the Book episode (the segment in which we chat about anything that goes beyond the book/classic we read for our book discussion the same week)! This week we chat about the 1962 film adaptation of Franz Kafka's The Trial, starring Anthony Perkins (yes, the guy from Psycho) and directed by Orson Welles. How does it compare to th…
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