Well they say all rotten things must come to an end. In this final episode, I have a laid back conversation with my friend, the Pastor of Pump himself, Danny Prada. We talk about our respective journeys, how we have grown as individuals, how DRCK has impacted our lives, and how we feel as it all comes to a close. From the bottom of my heart, thank …

On this, second to last DRCK episode, I had the privilege of hanging out with my friend Janice (God Has Not Given! Bad Words! General Menace!) , and new friend Tim (The New Evangelicals!). We discuss the things we would go back and tell ourselves about our personal deconstruction journeys– the good, the bad, the dogmatic. We also discuss platform c…

This week I had the privilege of chatting with friend of the show and friend of mine, theologian and author Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza (Body Becoming! Activist Theology!). We have a laid back conversation about rest, embodiment, finding the third way and taking time to dream about the world we wish to see. I also go on a mild rant about being funempl…

This week I had the privilege of speaking with sex educator and sex empowerment coach Portia Brown (Froetic Sexology!) . We discuss her upbringing in evangelical spaces, the ways she subverted the sex scripts she was handed, and the deliberate pursuit of pleasure practices. TIMESTAMPS: Interview - 5:04 Post Interview - 52:09 Sip, Smoke, Read - 57:3…

This week we’re talking about missions! My co-hosts for this episode are podcasters, writers, and friends Kevin Garcia (Bad Theology Kills! A Tiny Revolution!) and Mason Mennenga (A People’s Theology! The Black Sheep Podcast!). Together we unpack our experiences with short term mission trips, the ideas and doctrines that informed so many of them, a…

This week, I have the absolute privilege of speaking with songwriter, producer, genius Joy Oladokun. We discuss their upbringing in Christian spaces, stepping into truth and the creative journey. We discuss her new album, Proof of Life, the songwriting and creative process, and the art of sifting through faith traditions to find the goodness. We al…

On this episode, I have the privilege of chatting with podcast hosts Sarah Heath and Justin Gentry (REVcovery!). We talk about what it was Iike deconstructing while in full time ministry, the struggles of making significant career changes, and the impostor syndrome that comes along with it. We also discuss what we have found that brings joy on the …

This week I have the absolute pleasure of chatting with podcaster, writer, and performer Holly Laurent (MEGA The Podcast!). We talk about her upbringing in evangelical spaces, and the faith change that ultimately led to Mega The Podcast. We talk about humor, creativity, walking the fine line of familiar and unfamiliar, and finding the lovely things…

For the first episode of the season, I chat with podcaster, author, and academic Brad Onishi (Straight White American Jesus!). We discuss his upbringing as a Japanese American within evangelicalism, the origins of extremist Christian nationalism and what comes next, his new book, and I have a big announcement to make about this season! Learn more a…

It’s the last DRCK of 2022! What a year it has been. I’m wrapping it all up with singer/musician/producer Lucy Dacus! We talk about her upbringing within a cerebral evangelicalism, VBS, Purity Culture, and unravelling what she was handed. We also talk about her latest full length, this year’s EP, her creative process and ways in how she has found c…

This week I got to chat with actor, director and writer Jon Huertas (This is Us! Castle! Sabrina the Teenage Witch!). We talked about his upbringing within the catholic church, moving out of religious spaces to nontheism, and reasons he let go of the dogma he was handed to instead embrace belief in humanity. We also talk about creativity, the hard …

This week we’re talking purity! This week’s guest co-host is Blair from TalkPurityToMe–we discuss growing up in house churches, and some of the ways we were taught about purity and modesty, as well as some of the ways we are still feeling the aftermath. We also hear stories from the Bad Apples. Brought to you by Date Me Jesus Timestamps: Date Me Je…

On this off-week I wanted to give you bad apples a sneak peak at the Patreon episodes and introduce my friend and new producer/editor, Joshua Delbridge aka Delbreezy! We talk about his backstory, being queer in evangelical spaces, and how we met. We also sip, smoke and read together. Enjoy! Interview 1:42 Sip, Smoke Read 53:05 Irreverent Media Grou…

This week I had the chance to chat with comedian, podcaster, author, director and musician Rhett McLaughlin (Rhett and Link! Good Mythical Morning! James and the Shame!). We talk about his upbringing in church, deconstructing while in the public eye, and creating therapeutic music. He also answers some questions from the bad apples. Brought to you …

This week we talk prosperity! My guest cohost is podcaster, speaker, author and friend Tori Williams Douglass (White Homework! Go Home Bible You're Drunk!). Together we unpack the health and wealth gospel. We discuss how we were brought up in that theology, the harm it causes and how we unlearn some of the language on the other side. We also answer…

This week I got to chat with podcaster, writer, speaker, researcher and community organizer Phil Drysdale (The Deconstruction Network! The Phil Drysdale Show!). We discuss his upbringing as a church kid in the UK, how his faith changed and the work he has been doing within the deconstruction space. We talk about some of his research findings, commo…

Dirty Rotten Church Kids is back and this week I have the pleasure of bringing back podcaster, general menace and friend Janice Lagata (God Has Not Given!) This week we talked about passing the plate--how we were brought up learning about tithing, ways in which church taught us about possessions and how we approached tithing during our faith change…

In case you missed it--we had the chance to make an appearance at our friend Kevin Garcia's Crowded Table Event in Atlanta. We recorded the show for those that couldn't make it, and took some time afterwards to recap and sip, smoke, read together. We talk about cancelled flights and driving through the night, discovering Josh is actually an Enneagr…

This week we had the pleasure of speaking with C. Davis (Deconstructing Colors!). We discuss her church upbringing, how actually believing the Bible often leads to deconstruction, and how the perceived safety found within cultural Christianity keeps many folks in the pews. We also talk about putting first things first and answer questions from the …

This week we talk about "culturally relevant" churches, how we were brought up in Hip Christianity ™, the ways people were leveraged to keep the machine running and the ways people were reduced to an attendance statistic. We also take a Texas Anti-Trans bill to Hellcourt, play a game of Improv Sunday School Songs and hear stories from the Bad Apple…

This week we had the pleasure of speaking with singer-songwriter, author, podcaster and activist Andre Henry. We discuss his new book, ‘All The White Friends I Couldn’t Keep’, and moving from racial reconciliation to the work of antiracism and decolonization. We talk about his story leaving white evangelicalism, how the personal is political and ho…

In this episode we talk about the sins of the Flllleeeshhhh™️! We discuss how we were taught to deny self, distrust instincts and how messages of inadequacy had us decreasing so God could increase. We hear stories from the Bad Apples(CW: self harm and suicidal ideation), take a gross sermon illustration to Hell Court and play a game of Kirk Cameron…

We are back on our bullshit for the first episode of 2022! To stretch out our Podcasting muscles and get back into the groove of things we dig into what we missed since November, play a game of Megachurch Instagram and spend way too much time in Sip, Smoke, Read. Brought to you by #IAmMosesAndYouCanToo Time stamps 10:47 What Did We Miss 37:52 Megac…

It's the last episode of the year! This episode has got everything: CCM, multiple Bad Apples Good Questions, taking Chris Pratt to Hell Court, donkey schlongs, a look back at our favorite episode moments and more. See ya in 2022! Brought to you by Thanksgiving poops. Irreverent Media Group www.irreverent.fm DRCK Patreon https://www.patreon.com/dirt…

This week we got to speak with anti-racist educator/podcaster Tori Williams Douglass (White Homework! Go Home Bible, You’re Drunk!). We discuss the simplicity of justice without conditions, raising kids with trust and autonomy, and doing the work of recognizing your triggers so you can do the work of anti racism. We also talk about how christian et…

This week we had to chance to talk to musician, songwriter and producer Aaron Gillespie (Underoath! The Almost!). We talked about nonlinear faith change, Christian creativity, impostor syndrome and mega church culture. We also talk about Halloween aka The Devil’s birthday and play a game/sleepless fever dream of Kirk Cameron Saves Halloween. Skip t…

This week we're talking about church plants - our experience with start up churches, some of the ideologies that played into the process, and how we feel looking back. We discuss church splits, territoriality and chasing the numbers. And finally we play a round of CCM and hear stories from the Bad Apples. Brought to you by the star of Bethlehem wit…

This week we had the pleasure of speaking with author/podcaster/scholar/public ethicist Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza (ActivisTheology!). We talk about his embodiment journey, the deconstruction that occurred during seminary, existing in the in-between space and re-contextualizing theology. We also talk about being in relationship with old church friend…

This week we’re talking about the Pearly Gates—how we were taught about heaven, how that impacted our sense of empathy and presence, and what happened when we deconstructed it. We discuss some ways salvation was weaponized, play a game of CCM and hear stories from the Bad Apples. Brought to you by Tomato Squeeze and Coldplay. The Scientist - Coldpl…

This week we speak with author, speaker and content creator Mike McHargue (The Cozy Robot Show! You Are a Miracle and a Pain in the Ass). We hear about his story from evangelicalism into a combination of science, spirituality and wonder. We discuss the ways white supremacy and patriarchy survives using deniability, the art of deplatforming to cente…

This week we are back to talk about creativity within the church context - the ways we were taught to see our gifts, missional creativity and the template of Christian art. We also talk about faking it til you make it and hear stories from the Bad Apples. Brought to you by Paying This Man and the head of Walk Disney in the walls of our studio. Irre…

JLF is back! This week we had the pleasure of once again hanging out with author, sexuality/embodiment coach and real life friend Jamie Lee Finch (You Are Your Own). We talk about living into your own boundaries, trusting people with God and her new embodiment course. We also launch the merch line #BackslashDirty and take the ‘God is Not Dead’ fran…

We're changing it up this week and sharing an episode from our Patreon podcast, Bobodumdums! In this episode we reviewed Netflix's "A Week Away", and boy did we have thoughts. We also take trendy pastors to Hell Court, answer a Bad Apple question about family and define the phrase Nashville Sexy. If you want to skip the review jump to 1:17:10 Broug…

Are you packed and ready? This week we talk about the Rapture: how the theology came to be, how we were taught about it growing up, how it has impacted so many church kids over the years. We also take Matthew West to Hell Court (JUSTICE!!) and hear stories from the Bad Apples. Brought to you by JNCO Jesus and the Wallet Chain of Righteousness #Rapt…

This week we had the privilege of speaking to writer and podcaster Janice Lagata (God Has Not Given!). She is a Hillsong College alumnus, and was the former stage manager and original launch team member of Hillsong NYC. We discuss rockstar pastor Carl Lentz, church volunteer burnout and how toxic culture is not taught, it’s caught. We also take Len…

This week we talk about leaving church: why we and others like us left , the ways it is often handled, and how the pandemic has changed the church experience for so many. We also play a round of improv altar call, talk about Christian wedding ceremonies and hear stories from the Bad Apples. Brought to you by ‘Sit at my Table, My Table’s My PeePee’™…

This week we talk to Author and Speaker Brit Barron (Worth It!). We discuss her story leaving a mega church she pastored, coming to terms with her sexual identity and the hard work of spiritual evolution. We also talk about going back to your intuition, the aftermath of deconstruction and the pitfalls of leaving one fundamentalism for another. We a…

No purpling! For this week’s episode we talk about church camp—the memories we associate with it, the ways it impacted us as campers (and camp leaders) and how we relate to those experiences after a faith change. We also play a game of Youth Group or Boy Band and hear stories from the Bad Apples. Brought to you by eating warm chili out of a diaper …

This week we had the opportunity to speak with Brady Hardin, co host of The Life After podcast! We talk to him about his deconstruction story from Calvinism to Secular Humanism and ways to find the values underneath the metaphors. We also talk about how sexual identity tied into his deconstruction process, and take all of America to Hell Court. If …

Jesus Christ! On this long ass DRCK episode following Easter, we talk about the big JC: how we were taught about Jesus, what we have let go of, and how much of our thoughts on Jesus has changed post-faith change. We also talk about Lil Nas X, the Atlanta shooting, Ravi Zacharias, and calling yourself a Christian. Last but not least, we begin (and e…

On this week's episode we had the opportunity to speak to Grace Baldridge! We talk about the new album Preacher's Kid, how it felt to make history as the first openly queer Christian artist to top the Christian Music charts, and the work of seeing all others as Image Bearers. We talk about the mainstream Christian music machine and answer a couple …

This week we talk about deconstruction...again. With the word in the forefront of many evangelical conversations, we decided to discuss how we view deconstruction, what it looked like for us, and some of the narratives evangelicalism is currently trying to force onto it. We also bring Baptist Pastor Stewart-Allen Clark’s misogynist ass to Hell Cour…

On this episode we got to talk with John Mark McMillan! We discuss his journey of embracing a holistic spirituality over the years, how his faith often shifts from day to day and how he approaches creativity. We also talk about his latest record and introduce a new segment right at the top that made us cringe read hard. Brought to you by that one l…

Love is in the air, Bad Apples. For the episode before Valentine’s Day we wanted to talk about Christian dating: how we were taught to hold out for marriage, guarding our hearts and courting the way Jesus always intended. We also play a game of Improv Altar Call and hear stories from the bad apples. Brought to you by purity rings and guilt. DRCK Pa…

We're back, Bad Apples. To kick off Season 2 and the first episode of 2021, we thought who better to speak with than author and embodiment coach Jamie Lee Finch, aka the artist formerly known as The Sex Witch. We discuss common dismissive arguments we get, the need to establish boundaries and treating your body as a person. If this interview isn't …

It’s the last episode of 2020 and of Season One! In this one we talk about miracles—how we were taught them growing up, how we see them now, and how belief can be a feedback loop. We also talk about the loneliness of Christmas in quarantine and hear stories from the bad apples. Brought to you by the sermon jams and robot Benny Hinn. Ecclesia Music …

One year of DRCK! Can't even believe it. In this episode we take a look back at our favorite show moments, take questions from the Bad Apples and discuss what we've learned. We also talk about Carl Lentz the sports agent and the Joel Osteen cube. Brought to you by our brand new Patreon which you should for sure join. DRCK Patreon https://www.patreo…

This week we speak to Cindy Wang Brandt (Author! Podcaster! Speaker!). We discuss parenting after leaving evangelicalism, re-framing how we see children and raising our family like a playground. Cindy answers questions from the Bad Apples and reminds us of the permission we have during and post-deconstruction. If this interview isn't something you …

This week we talk about thoughts and prayers. How we were taught about it, some of the ways we saw it abused and unpack what prayer means on this side of faith change. We also talk about tone policing, vilifying the other, and hear stories from the Bad Apples. Brought to you by the shofar and flute. Aspen Green (use promo code BADAPPLE) www.aspengr…

For episode 27 we talk to author, sex educator, youtuber and blogger Brenda Marie Davies aka God is Grey! We discuss experiencing the Divine for yourself, unlearning purity culture and finding sexual integrity. We also talk about sin, virginity, inviting God into the bedroom and get the scoop on her new book. If this interview isn't something you t…