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Marketing Against The Grain

Hubspot Podcast Network

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Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Zapier’s CMO), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
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The GrowthTLDR podcast is a weekly interview series with both leaders and practitioners who have real knowledge to share on what it takes to grow a business. Unlike most podcasts, we don't just focus on tips and tricks. We get to know the real story behind their success. And we try to have fun while doing it. Sick and tired of the same old boring business chat? Then listen to an episode of the GrowthTLDR, you won't regret it. If you're interested in being on the show, e-mail kieran@growthtld ...
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The Interiors Podcast

Tanya Neufeld Flanagan

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An interior design show aimed to help you elevate your space in conversations with industry professionals in Ireland. Hosted by Tanya Neufeld Flanagan, expat and marketing exec turned interior designer based in Dublin, Ireland where she works at Eilish Rickard Interiors.
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The DNA Of Purpose Podcast uniquely weaves together personal growth, transformational processes, entrepreneurial thinking, and leadership strategy, empowering high-impact individuals to utilise purpose as the most powerful social innovation tool on the planet. Grounded in the belief that profound individual and collective impact originate from within, our mission calls on leaders to transcend limitations, unlock their full potential, and amplify their influence in dedicated service to a worl ...
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Summary In the second conversation with Kieran Flanagan, SVP Marketing at Hubspot we talk about how we see AI really being used in tech and not just being a flashy thing you use once. From Sales, to Marketing to Product. Where are we today and where is all of this going? The conversation explores the role of AI in strategy, the potential for AI-dri…
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Ep. 238 Are you tired of spending your advertising budget on the same stale channels? Kipp and Kieran dive into the untapped marketing channels that pro marketers are leveraging to gain a competitive edge. Learn more on the potential of working with creators, the overlooked benefits of YouTube ads, and the power of point-of-need advertising to reac…
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Ep. 237 How do we create the new marketing playbook of the AI era? Kipp and Kieran dive into the evolving landscape of marketing and how AI is setting the stage for the next big shift. Learn more on how to leverage AI integrations with HubSpot and other tools to stay competitive, understand the balance between new approaches and tried-and-true stra…
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Summary Kyle Pursell, the Head of Growth Optimization at Shopify, talks about impactful business strategies for growth. What is the challenge of moving upmarket, and the role of product-led growth in driving this success. And why cross-functional collaboration in growth initiatives is often undervalued. We also talk about the different paths to get…
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Today, I am thrilled to welcome back the remarkable Paul Zak. Paul is a Professor at Claremont Graduate University and is ranked among the top 0.3% of most cited scientists, with over 200 published papers and more than 20,000 citations to his research. Paul was one of the pioneering scientists to integrate neuroscience and economics into the ground…
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Ep. 236 "Is marketing facing a crisis of faith today?" Kipp and Kieran dive into the shifting landscape of modern marketing and how to navigate it successfully in 2024. Learn more about achieving tangible outcomes with limited budgets, managing CEO expectations to gain trust and support, and balancing quantitative and qualitative metrics to prove y…
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Ep. 235 Is instant success holding you back from true mastery? Kipp, Kieran, and guest, Wes Kao (co-founder of Maven and altMBA), dive into the lessons learned from Seth Godin about embracing the craft, overcoming fear of failure, and achieving true success through strategic thinking. Learn more on why perfecting your skills requires deliberate eff…
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Ep.234 Is Apple's AI revolution set to change the way you interact with technology and market your business? Kipp and Kieran dive into Apple’s groundbreaking AI integrations announced at WWDC and their monumental impact on the future of marketing. Learn more about how Apple is training consumers to use AI without realizing it, the strategic partner…
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Ep. 233 What happens if AI reduces human cost to zero? Kipp and Kieran dive into the groundbreaking implications of AI on sales training, marketing efficiency, and customer support roles. Learn more about how AI can revolutionize sales training by mimicking customer interactions and providing personalized guidance for sales reps, the integration of…
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Dennis R. Mortensen is a serial entrepreneur and the founder of LaunchBrightly, which makes money by automating the most annoying things in our work lives (through AI). We talk about why it’s important to own your own data set for competitive advantage and the misconception that successful entrepreneurs should become investors. Dennis refuses to do…
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Ep. 232 What do the recent Google leaks mean? Kipp and Kieran dive into the future of marketing automation and how Google's secret algorithm changes the game. In this episode, Kipp and Kieran sit down with Rand Fishkin, the former CEO of Moz and founder of SparkToro, to uncover the hidden facets of Google's ranking system, the influence of AI on ma…
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Ep. 231 What does it take to get 11 million views in just 4 days? It’s the ultimate masterclass with 19-year-old sensation Jenny Hoyos, who cracked the code with YouTube Shorts. Kipp and Kieran dive into Jenny’s strategic approach to creating viral content and building a massive following. Learn more about the art of video progression to keep your …
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Welcome back to the DNA of Purpose podcast! After a brief hiatus, we are thrilled to return for Season 6, bringing you the stories and insights of the world's most purpose-driven leaders. I'm especially excited about today's episode because we have the incredible Jessica Hickman with us. As the founder and director of Bullyology and an advocate of …
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Summary I talked with the amazing Andrew Ettinger from Appen about community-led growth in enterprise sales, the importance of cross-functional understanding, and the transformation of content and community in the sales process. We are also diving into the impact of AI on the industry and the need for cross-functional understanding and collaboratio…
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Ep. 230 Is Google's AI making search better or humorously worse? Kieran dives into the intrigue and drama behind Google's newest feature, AI Overviews, and its risky launch. Learn more on Google's "look dumb or get disrupted" moment, the laughable but concerning inaccuracies generated by AI, and the critical impact on organic traffic and the open w…
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Ep. 229 How will AI agents revolutionize marketing strategies in 2024? Kipp and Kieran dive into the transformative impact of AI agents on search, content creation, and user experience. Learn more about the potential use cases for AI agents in marketing, optimizing search strategies in the age of AI, and preparing for the AI-driven future. Mentions…
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Summary Jam.dev created a tool called Jam that helps product managers and engineers communicate and debug bugs more effectively. The company has grown to over 100,000 users and has fixed more than 2 million bugs. They have adopted a unique approach to marketing, prioritizing community building and sharing their journey as builders. The company uses…
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Ep. 228 How can authenticity transform your marketing game? Kipp and guest Charles Duhigg (“Supercommunicators”) dive into the mental points every marketer needs to control their message.. Learn more on how authenticity shapes marketing narratives, the crucial process of selecting the right ideas to focus on, and the evolving rules of communication…
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Ep. 227 What are the best marketing channels you should use to grow your business? Kipp and Kieran dive into the dynamic fusion of AI technology with traditional marketing strategies to exponentially grow your business. Learn more on how AI conversion rate optimization leads the charge in changing conversion strategies, why blending product marketi…
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Summary Burnout and the pursuit of external validation in tech. The pressure to constantly achieve and the belief that success will bring happiness and fulfillment is driving some of us into ruin. It almost did with Andy Johns, he was never more successful and unhappier in his life until he his body hit the reset switch. Top companies, top jobs, to…
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Ep. 226 Gary Vaynerchuk is challenging the traditional mindset of business and marketing. Kipp, Kieran and guest Gary Vaynerchuk (VaynerX) dive into the importance of organic social media. Learn more about Gary’s revolutionary insights on why staying ahead of market dynamics is crucial in the ever-changing landscape of business and marketing, why t…
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Ep. 225 How will AI redefine the future of business interactions and learning? In today's episode, Kipp boldly predicts that OpenAI's GPT-4o could usher in a new frontier in real-time communication and marketing. Kipp and Kieran dive into the groundbreaking features of OpenAI's latest release. Learn more on how the omnimodal capabilities of GPT-4o …
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Summary Chess.com has grown from being a simple chess service to a thriving 150 million ARR business. The company has focused on making chess accessible to everyone through services around a product that hasn’t changed in centuries. We touch on the challenges of scaling a company and the role of titles and leadership in an organization and how many…
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Ep. 224 Did you know AI could potentially increase email conversion rates by 94%? Kipp and Kieran dive into the AI implications of sales prospecting. Learn more about how effective personalization can leverage online data, the role of AI in improving prospecting emails, and the future of AI in voice prospecting and creating engaging, celebrity-driv…
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Ep. 223 How can you be in the 5% of in demand marketers in the future? Kieran dives into the marketing playbook for the AI era. Learn more on crafting multimodal content strategies, personalizing marketing at scale, and collapsing the customer journey into effective marketing techniques. Mentions Sam Altman https://blog.samaltman.com/ Eleven Labs h…
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Motivation, forming habits, managing time, and why it’s important to know how much you enjoy solving problems with Jason Fried. Jason is really special to me and a 2nd time guest. Whenever we go at it, there are two worlds clashing in the best way possible. We are both never content with traditions and challenge the status quo; we just often disagr…
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Ep. 222 Why should you build for the AI of the future, NOT for the AI of today? Kipp and Kieran dive into the potential ChatGPT-5 model and how it can revolutionize brand marketing strategies. Learn more on integrating AI for extracting and analyzing data, enhancing brand awareness and net promoter scores, and the significance of building your mark…
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Ep. 221 How can AI revolutionize the way we create and consume content? Kipp and Dan Shipper (CEO of Every) dive into how AI tools like ChatGPT have become indispensable in content creation. Learn more about harnessing AI for newsletter growth, integrating AI to enhance creativity without stifling it, and utilizing advanced AI models to tackle comp…
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Summary The conversation with Mike Weir, former CRO of G2, focused on reducing churn and driving expansion revenue. At G2, they used a churn model with 14 highly correlated variables to identify at-risk customers and prioritize actions for the customer success team. We also discussed the importance of product and marketing in customer education and…
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Ep. 220 Will Ai automate 95% of a marketer's role? A solo Kieran dives into why he created an Ai email course and why it’s so important to have a passion for marketing. Learn more about creating Ai-driven content, utilizing persuasion techniques to elevate campaigns, and testing the effectiveness of Ai in real marketing projects using Kieran’s cour…
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If you're a returning listener, you'll recall our conversation with Andrew Leitch, the co-founder of Brave Spaces. Today, we're privileged to introduce the other visionary behind this venture – Jacinta McDonnell. Jacinta's journey is nothing short of extraordinary. As one of Australia’s foremost entrepreneurs, she has carved her path with unparalle…
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Ep. 219 Is Google really at risk of becoming obsolete in the age of AI-driven search? Ethan Smith’s answer may surprise you. Kipp, Kieran and Ethan Smith (Graphite) dive into the Ai revolution and its impact on search marketing and SEO practices. Learn more about the adaptability of Google's Adwords model in the Ai era, and the tactics for dominati…
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Ep 218 Is your website an outdated relic or your best salesperson? Kipp and Kieran dive into the future role of websites in an AI-driven marketing world. Learn more on if the traditional website still holds its value, the blending of AI into customer service, and the essential strategies for keeping your site relevant in a rapidly changing digital …
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Ep. 217 Are marketing budgets going to go up? Is product marketing a waste of time? Kipp and Kieran with guest Jason Lemkin (CEO of SaaStr) dive into brand marketing. Learn more on leveraging AI and product-led growth for market dominance, the critical impact of early results in a sales cycle for gauging success, and the nuanced art of aligning mar…
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Anthony Pierry, partner at FletchPMM, focuses on messaging for early-stage B2B SaaS startups, and he brought a lot of actionable knowledge on how to do it right to the ProducTea. Summary I talk with Anthony about how to focus and narrow down your target audience and how to communicate it through your value proposition. How do we cross the chasm bet…
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Ep. 216 Is Google search traffic in decline? Kipp and Kieran dive into the possible replacements for Google search and what you can do if you rely on Google. Learn more on navigating post-SEO marketing strategies, leveraging B2B creators, and adapting to the AI revolution that's rewriting the rules of digital traffic and content creation. Mentions …
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Ep. 215 What are the hottest and most important Ai apps to use in your marketing today? Kipp and guest Matt Wolfe (entrepreneur and YouTuber) dive into the intricate world of AI marketing tools, exploring what it means to effectively integrate AI into your toolkit. Learn more about how Hume can decipher the subtleties of human emotion, the creative…
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Adam Robinson, CEO of Retention.com & RB2B, is the CEO who builds in public on LinkedIn and is crushing it by discovering the power of product-led growth as he is doing it. He’s very specific about what works and what doesn’t and how he got started. He explains the power of organic reach through LinkedIn and building a personal brand through social…
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In today's fast-paced world, the urgency of transitioning towards renewable energies is more apparent than ever. The latest report from the International Energy Agency reveals a staggering surge in renewable electricity capacity with solar leading the charge. This data underscores the imperative driving this global shift—a necessity rooted in hard …
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Ep. 214 If you think lead gen is dead, then your business is probably dead. Kipp and Kieran dive into the burning questions the community cares about. Learn more on leveraging Ai for productivity boosts in content creation, the nuances of scaling a personality-driven business, and the fine line between free content and value in lead gen magnets. Me…
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Ep. 213 How will last week’s wild events shape the future of Ai video? Kipp and Kieran dive into the rapid rise of AI-created videos and its impact on marketing strategy. Learn more on the future of AI video, the potential legal and ethical challenges, and how it could revolutionize marketing automation, sales, and customer service. Mentions Fiverr…
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Casey Hill is a Senior Growth Manager at ActiveCampaign, Institutional Consultant, and Founder. More importantly, he’s incredibly actionable and smart on LinkedIn around B2B Email channels, and that’s why I wanted to have him on the podcast. Summary We talk about how to approach Email, how to use it from the ground up to drive meaningful business a…
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Welcome back to another episode of The Interiors Podcast. Today, host Tanya Neufeld Flanagan had the pleasure of interviewing Shay Lally, QS and founder of Houses To Restore. Shay and Tanya got to discuss renovations and how to work around the challenges of the budgeting when you're considering buying a property. He also gives us an insight of how …
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Ep 212 Why do major corporations need CMO’s in these changing times? Kipp and Kieran dissect the marketing faux pas that could spell disaster for even titans like Starbucks. Kipp and Kieran dive into why it’s so important to have a centralized marketing team. Learn more on the essential role of craftsmanship, expertise over regional knowledge, the …
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Ep. 211 Did you know that the simple act of brushing our teeth daily was popularized by a marketing campaign in the 1920s? This and other historical success stories demonstrate the power of timeless marketing principles that even Ai can't defy. Kieran dives into the importance of adopting fundamental marketing principles that ensure long-term succe…
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Julie Zhuo, Co-Founder @ Sundial, Author of THE MAKING OF A MANAGER, ex-VP Design @ FB Summary Intuition and hiring is an uncomfortable topic. We should be rational, have reasons for why we choose to work with someone or not. When should we trust our gut feeling? When is it time to step back and say, no. I go with the hard facts? In the end it’s al…
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Today, we're delving into a vital question: What does it truly take to cultivate a purpose-driven, human-centric workplace where every individual's potential is not just acknowledged, but actively nurtured and celebrated? While it may seem obvious that organisations would prioritise a human-first approach, the reality often falls short, with invest…
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Ep. 210 Sam Altman thinks AI will do everything but 5% of what marketers do, what does that mean? Kieran dives into how to be in that 5%, since that part isn’t going away. Learn more on the biggest mistake marketers are making with AI, what that 5% includes, and what Sam’s quote actually means. Mentions Sam Altman https://blog.samaltman.com/ Midjou…
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Ep. 209 Is humor the secret sauce to capturing your first 100 customers in today's AI-driven social media landscape? Learn unconventional yet potent strategies for early-stage companies to get noticed and thrive. Kipp and Yuliya Bel (co-founder of Notus) dive into the nuances of leveraging social data and AI for personalized marketing. Learn more o…
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Ep. 208 How can you empower your website with the Ai capabilities that make you money? Kipp and Emmy Jonassen (HubSpot, VP of Marketing) dive into the transformative power of Ai-driven chat, unpack the compelling results achieved from their rigorous Ai website copilot experiment, and detail the game-changing potential of personalized website experi…
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