Beyond the Pale is a subversively sincere exploration of God, faith, life and culture hosted by former pastors and missionaries Steve & Tammy Hackman. It's a podcast for that person who finds more fulfillment in the journey than in the destination and doesn't mind coloring outside the lines a bit! Join us each week as we travel on pilgrimage together. We'll ask questions, question answers, and open a bottle of wine with you as we do. (Not a particularly good wine mind you, just one Tammy say ...
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Episode 133: Music & the Marginalised with Scott Darlow
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Singer-songwriter, guitarist, and didgeridoo player Scott Darlow uses his music to advocate for First Nations Aboriginal community in Australia. On today's episode he shares about the opportunities he has had to perform in schools, prisons, and concert venues across the world bringing a message of Hope to combat the cynicism and tribalism of today'…
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Episode 132: Beyond Heart Mountain with Alan O'Hashi
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Author and documentarian Alan O'Hashi shares with Steve & Tammy highlights from his book Beyond Heart Mountain including the impact the internment of Japanese - Americans during WW2 had on his family and the Japanese community in the American West. Along the way, we discuss Alan's experiences living in an intentional community and the advantages an…
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Episode 131: Sola Mysterium with with Keith Giles
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Author & speaker Keith Giles returns to discuss with Steve & Tammy his new book Sola Mysterium: Celebrating the Beautiful Uncertainty of Everything. If God is a Being that transcends imagination, how we can learn to embrace mystery of Christ. Along the way, Keith shares how Charismatics can understand their experiences, re-wiring your mind for "gra…
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Episode 130: Jesus Unarmed with Keith Giles
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Keith Giles returns to the podcast to discuss with Steve & Tammy his final book in the seven part "un" series Jesus Unarmed: How the Prince of Peace Disarms our Violence. Along the way Keith also explains where American Christians get their fascination with "redemptive violence", why Evangelicals should re-think their "End Times" theology, and what…
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Episode 129: When Everything is on Fire with Brian Zahnd
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Brian Zahnd returns to Beyond the Pale to discuss his new book When Everything Is On Fire and how despite a season of doubt and deconstruction a stronger, more confident faith is possible when it is grounded in the beauty of Christ. Along the way Brian discusses pilgrimage, contemplation, and how his journey on the Camino de Santiago inspired the b…
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Episode 128: The Way of Non-Violence with Simon Ramacci
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Simon Rammaci has been active in sharing with Christians that to follow Christ is to be a peacemaker. He discusses with Beyond the Pale his work with various groups including the Christian Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament to help promote non-violent alternatives in today's increasingly volatile world. Along the way Simon shares a bit of his faith j…
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Episode 127: Mortality, Morality, and Religion with Ojo Taylor
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University Professor and former bassist for the Christian punk band "Undercover" Ojo Taylor returns to discuss a recent blog post he wrote as he turned 65. Getting older ain't easy but Ojo reflects on the benefits that ageing brings including wisdom, perspective, and an understanding of what's really important in life. And of course with his very p…
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Episode 126: Trauma Theology with Hannah Land
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Hannah Land is an Occupational Therapist and administrator for the online community Progressing Church. She joins Beyond the Pale to discuss the how theology can be employed to address the personal suffering and trauma experienced by many. Along the way she opens up about her own experience with sexual abuse as well as sharing some of the life givi…
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The release of Denis Villeneuve's much anticipated adaption of Frank Herbert's "Dune" has drawn the inevitable comparisons to the David Lynch's 1984 adaption. On today's special episode I sit down with movie critic James Marsh to do a deep dive into who really did it better; Dune 1984 or Dune 2021 Episode Index 3:20 - Paul Atreides (Kyle Maclachlan…
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Episode 125: Quarantine Conversations with Steve Barker
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Steve Barker joined us back in Episode 41 to talk about Re-Thinking Church and now comes to my rescue to help spare me of the boredom of a mandated 14 days isolation in a Hong Kong hotel room. Along the way we discuss the COVID situation, my confirmation in the Anglican church, and making the Christian faith practical in the world around us. Go Bey…
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Episode 124: Camino Tales (& Drinking Guinness) with Diarmuid O'Reilly
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Our Camino Tales series continues as we sit down with our pilgrim friend Diarmuid O'Reiley to discuss some of our shared adventures together on the Camino de Santiago. Along the way Diarmuid shares a bit of his faith journey, the Lord's Prayer in Gaelic, as well as some political thoughts including an Irish perspective on America's fascination with…
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Episode 123: Jesus Unforsaken with Keith Giles
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Keith Giles returns to Beyond the Pale to discuss his new book Jesus Unforsaken in which he argues the real Good News of Jesus has been replaced in much of today's church with a toxic message originating with John Calvin in the 1500s. Keith explains why its crucial to return to the historic Christ-centered view of the cross that sets people free fr…
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Episode 122: Oscar Predictions 2021 with James Marsh
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South China Morning Post and RTHK Radio 3 movie critic James Marsh sits down with Steve for their annual Academy Awards predictions. Along the way we discuss the the nominees in the major categories, who we think WILL win vs. who SHOULD win, and why Brian Cox played a better Hannibal Lector than Anthony Hopkins. Go Beyond the Pale with James Marsh!…
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Episode 121: Why Christians are Embracing Conspiracy Theories with Jonathan Mellen & Casey Fanning
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On today's episode Steve sits down with two of his good friends who are nominal Trump voters to help better understand why Christians seem fascinated with conspiracy theories and why they tend to fuel them rather than extinguish them. Along the way we discuss Donald Trump, the Epoch Times, and how Christians can be conditioned into toxic patterns. …
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Episode 120: Why Americans Are Embracing Conspiracy Theories with David Morgan
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David Morgan joins us to discuss University of Chicago Political Science professor Eric Oliver's new book "Enchanted America: How Intuition & Reason Divide Our Politics". Along the way David helps explain why many Americans are increasingly embracing bizarre conspiracy theories in an attempt to make sense of a complicated and changing world. Go Bey…
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Episode 119: Postcards from Babylon with David & Kathi Peters
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Filmmakers David & Kathi Peters sit down with Steve & Tammy to discuss their new documentary Postcards from Babylon which takes aim at the growing Christian Nationalism within American Evangelicalism. Along the way they share about the impact of Donald Trump on the church, filming Brian & Peri Zahnd while on the Camino de Santiago, and the film's t…
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Episode 118: Camino Tales with Bruce Ayling
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Pilgrim Bruce Ayling sits down with Steve to chat about their 2015 journey on the Camino de Santiago. Along the way Bruce shares how his pilgrimage in Spain helped him to understand his Christian faith in a deeper way. Go Beyond the Pale with Bruce Ayling! Episode index 1:40- Intro with Steve & Tammy 7:40- Conversation with Bruce begins 13:33- Lear…
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Episode 117: "The Silent Queen" And Why The Church Needs Women To Find Their Voice with Paul Ellis
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Author Paul Ellis returns to talk about his new book "The Silent Queen" and why the church needs women to find their voice. Along the way Paul shares historically how we got to this place of sanctioned gender discrimination in the church and what God's original plan was and can still be. Go Beyond the Pale with Paul Ellis Episode Index: 1:14 - Intr…
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Episode 116: Black Lives Matter with Steve Bowens
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On today's episode Steve has a conversation an old friend, Steve Bowens, on issues surrounding race issues in America and specifically the Black Lives Matter movement Along the way Steve, who is an African-American educator from Colorado, also shares how his Christian faith has shaped him not only in his approach to race relations but in all areas …
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Episode 115: A Healthy Deconstruction & Reconstruction with Rob Grayson & Dave Griffiths
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Dave Griffiths and Rob Grayson return to Beyond the Pale to discuss what a healthy deconstruction and eventual reconstruction in faith might look like. Along the way we discuss Creeds, politics, racism, gender inequality, and why Christianity seems the one area where its OK to NOT grow up! Get Ready to Go Beyond the Pale with Rob Grayson & Dave Gri…
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Episode 114: Politics & Religion with Andrew Hackman
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My brother Andrew returns during a hot elections season to talk about the two subjects you aren't suppose to talk about in polite conversation; politics and religion. Along the way we discuss abortion, nationalism, and spell Trump holds over many American Christians. Get Ready To Go Beyond The Pale with Andrew Hackman!…
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Bonus Episode: Interview with Steve on RTHK Radio 3 "Morning Brew" Show
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Steve was interviewed on Hong Kong's Radio 3 "Morning Brew" show to discuss his 1,100 mile Via Francigena pilgrimage and the upcoming memoir chronicling the journey!
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Episode 113: HBO Max Series "Warrior" Star Jason Tobin
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Actor Jason Tobin who stars in the hit TV show Warrior sits down with Steve & Tammy to share his acting journey; the highs, the lows, the frustrations, the lucky breaks, and the perseverance that helped get him to where he is now. Along the way Jason shares what it was like to grow up in Hong Kong, the power of a teacher to inspire, his love of Sto…
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Episode 112: Whiskey & Theology with Kit Tso
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Long time friend Kit Tso shares a meal with Steve & Tammy and with the help of a little Scotch and Irish whiskey discuss faith, humanity, God, and the advantages of bringing "reason" into one's spiritual journey. Along the way Kit shares some funny anecdotes of riding a motorcycle from London to Belfast! Go Beyond the Pale with Kit Tso! Episode Ind…
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Episode 111: Making Your Dreams a Reality with Gary Brightman
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Gary Brightman is a Hong Kong based writer and filmmaker who shares his story of turning some of the dreams into realities. Dreams like moving to Hong Kong, attending film school, making documentaries, and finally opening Vibe, the coolest used book and vinyl record store in the city. Go Beyond the Pale with Gary Brightman! Episode Index: 1:33- (In…
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Episode 110: Reaching for the Bigger Vision with Vernon Pitout
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Vernon Pitout is an entrepreneur and business coach who has been a friend of Steve & Tammy for many years. On today's episode they reminisce on their spiritual journeys, discuss the pros and cons of leaders with a vision, and explore some of the challenges the church faces in the 21st century. Go Beyond the Pale with Vernon Pitout! Episode Index: 1…
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Episode 109: Re-Examining Your Faith with Lori Marty
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Lori Marty has had a long journey. Growing up in a Pentecostal home she went on to become a missionary to Pakistan and eventually a Vice President at Word Entertainment, one of the largest Christian music companies in the world. However it was these experiences, along with others she shares that forced her to seriously re-examine her faith. In the …
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Episode 108: J.E.S.U.S.A. with Kevin Miller
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Kevin Miller is a screenwriter and filmmaker whose works encompass a number of documentaries including "Expelled" with Ben Stein and the film "Hellbound" which examined various Christian perspectives on the notions of hell. On today’s episode Kevin shares with Steve & Tammy about his faith Journey as well as his newly released documentary J.E.S.U.S…
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Episode 107: The Journey of Mother's Choice with Alia Eyres
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Alia Eyres holds a Juris Doctorate from the Georgetown University Law Centre and a Bachelor of Arts in International Affairs from the George Washington University, where she was also a member of the NCAA Division 1 Women’s Rowing Team. She shares with Steve & Tammy her journey that led her out of the world of corporate law to become the director of…
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Episode 106: Camino Tales with Sara Morano
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Episode 105: Oscar Predictions 2020 with James Marsh
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Episode 104: Looking Ahead to 2020 with Steve & Tammy
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Bonus Holiday Episode: Shabbat Shalom from Israel
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Episode 103: Ethics, Morality, and America with Ojo Taylor
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In this episode we catch up with Ojo Taylor, formerly of the Christian punk band Undercover. Join us as we discuss pretty much everything from sin and ethics, to whether America can still be the bulwark of stability it has been in the past. Along the way Ojo questions whether Christians should be promoting a God that requires a blood sacrifice in o…
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Episode 102: Adversity, Authenticity, and Attitude with Jonathan Mellen
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Educator and Bible teacher Jonathan Mellen shares how adversity has shaped his attitude and approach to life. Along the way he shares his story of being a "missionary kid" whose Christian faith now continues to grow in ways he hadn't expected Go Beyond the Pale with Jonathan Mellen! Episode Index: 1:03- (Intro) Steve & Tammy discuss Rob Bell, why J…
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Episode 101: A More Christ-like Way with Brad Jersak
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Author, teacher, and monastery preacher Brad Jersak joins us to discuss his new book and how Christianity can recapture a more "Christ-like" identity. Along the way Brad shares his own journey and the struggles that have shaped his understanding that God is always loving and on our side. Go Beyond the Pale with Brad Jersak! Episode Index: 1:05 - (I…
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Episode 100: The Journey of a "Naked Pastor" with David Hayward
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Beyond the Pale celebrates it's 100th episode by sharing the journey of David Hayward aka "the Naked Pastor". David is a former pastor turned cartoonist whose satire and critique of Christian culture has helped many Christians around the world re-think what following Jesus might actually look like. Along the way David shares his own story that we k…
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Episode 099: An Aussie Faith Journey from Charismatic to Episcopal with Brett Moore
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Australian Brett Moore is an International lawyer who shares his journey of being involved with the Christian Charismatic movement, leaving the legal world for a time to attend Fuller Seminary, and eventually finding his faith land in the Episcopal (Anglican) Church. Along the way Brett opens up about his own experiences of being a victim as a youn…
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Episode 098: Art, Faith, and God with Emily Eldridge
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Emily Eldridge is an International artist whose murals and illustration work have taken her to places as far away as Hong Kong, Barcelona, and Berlin. She shares with Steve & Tammy some of the struggles as well as the joy that has come from following her artistic passion. Along the way Emily discusses her faith and how that has shaped her on the jo…
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Episode 097: Following the Jesus "Way" with Derek Vreeland (Pt. 2)
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In Part 2 of our talk pastor and author Derek Vreeland discusses what it means to "Practice Resurrection", how his own faith has matured over the years, and then gives some advice to Christians who are deconstructing their beliefs. Along the way Derek shares three books that has helped shape his faith on the journey! Get Ready to Go Beyond the Pale…
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Episode 096: Following the Jesus "Way" with Derek Vreeland (Pt. 1)
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Pastor Derek Vreeland joins us to discuss his new book "By the Way" where he unpacks the idea of discipleship and shares some things he's learned on his journey that could help you "Follow Jesus" Go Beyond the Pale with Derek Vreeland! Episode Index: 1:21 - (Intro) Steve & Tammy share a bit on the Old Testament and how to navigate it 15:49 - Interv…
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Episode 095: Fetish Patriotism with Andrew Hackman
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What happens when patriotism runs amok? When it goes from something good and positive into something twisted and a little weird. My brother Andrew Hackman explains "fetish" patriotism and why its not helping a world that could use a little help right now. Go Beyond the Pale with Andrew Hackman! Episode Index: 1:48: (Intro) Tammy’s Birthday at our f…
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Episode 094: Social Media, Christianity, and All the Jazz with Andrew Hackman
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My brother Andrew returns to the show to discuss a number of topics including social media, faith, and how "loving your enemy" works even if you don't believe in God. Along the way we'll also talk about how to engage those weird, uncomfortable Bible bits. Get Ready to Go Beyond the Pale with Andrew Hackman! Episode index: 2:05 (Intro) Steve and Tam…
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Episode 093: Creating a World More Human and More Divine with Tony Bottagaro
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Tony Bottagaro is an award winning playwright, author, filmmaker, and speaker who serves as Special Advisor on National and International Affairs to the Chamber of the Americas. Tony shares with Steve & Tammy how the message of God's Love has shaped his journey and given him the opportunity to address the United Nations, officials at the Pentagon, …
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Episode 092: Grace, Universalism, and All That Jazz with Kristian Holmes (Pt. 2)
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In Part 2 of our interview, Kristian Holmes shares his ongoing journey as he and his wife forge a new path of relationship with God outside the normal church structures. Along the way we discuss the Holy Spirit, embracing Mystery, and why you can't "un-see" what you have seen. Go Beyond the Pale with Kristian Holmes! Episode Index: 1:07 (Intro) Ste…
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Episode 091: Grace, Universalism, and All That Jazz with Kristian Holmes (Pt.1)
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Kristian Holmes shares of his journey that took him out of a trajectory towards senior church leadership. When an understanding of what Christ had done unraveled his grace vs. law paradigm, he and his wife had no choice but to blaze a new trail outside the church structure and the security, financial stability, and identity it had provided. Along t…
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Episode 090: Postcards from Babylon with Brian Zahnd
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Brian Zahnd returns to share with us topics from his new book Postcards from Babylon: The Church in American Exile. Along the way Brian discusses why so many American Christians have traded "the Way of Jesus" for religious nationalism as well as explaining to Tammy what "the Satan" actually is. Go Beyond the Pale with Brian Zahnd! Show Notes: 1:42:…
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Episode 089: Camino Tales on the Camino Portuguese with Brian & Peri Zahnd
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Brian and Peri Zahnd return to share with us their pilgrimage on the Camino Portuguese; the 160 mile adventure running through Portugal and ending at the cathedral in Santiago de Compostela in Spain. Along the way they share stories we hope will inspire you to perhaps walk your own Camino one day. Go Beyond the Pale with Brian & Peri Zahnd!…
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Episode 088: Camino Tales with Efren Gonzalez (Via Francigena)
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Efren Gonzalez is a travel vlogger and filmmaker whose Youtube videos chronicling his journeys have been an inspiration and valuable resource for those planning their own pilgrimage. On today's episode Efren shares some "tales from the trail" including his most recent adventure across Europe on the Via Francigena. Go Beyond the Pale with Efren Gonz…
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Episode 087: Jesus Unbound with Keith Giles
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Author, blogger, and podcast host Keith Giles shares a journey that led him away from the traditional church pulpit to planting a house church that gave away ALL money collected to the poor. No salaries, no building, not even for the Sunday morning coffee and donuts. Along the way Keith discusses Biblical inerrancy, Hell, and how he became co-host …
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