Best Doc Thompson Podcasts (2024)

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Denver Ends the Lakers, Chet Vs. Paolo, Atlanta’s Penix Envy, and NFL Draft Family Etiquette With J. Kyle Mann and Van Lathan 1:50:06

8h ago1:50:06

1:50:06

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by J. Kyle Mann to discuss the Lakers' drop to 0-3 against the Nuggets before checking in on every NBA playoff series (1:50). Then Bill and Van Lathan talk about Round 1 of the 2024 NFL draft, including the six first-round QBs, the Falcons shocking the world and Kirk Cousins by drafting Michael Penix Jr. eighth, …

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313: Nuggets Living Rent Free in Lakers' Heads | Timberwolves BULLY The Suns 1:09:38

1d ago1:09:38

1:09:38

After their tenth straight win against the Lakers, and 10 victories in a row, are the Nuggets psyching out the Lakers? On this edition of Road Trippin, Richard Channing and Allie discuss the adjustments the Nuggets have made against the Lakers, and how it's giving Los Angeles fits. Also, the crew looks at the Timberwolves who have pounced on the Su…

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Part 2: Phoenix in Trouble, Dallas Fights Back, a Magical Knicks Moment, and Denver’s Superpower With Kevin O’Connor 1:09:53

2d ago1:09:53

1:09:53

In Part 2 of a two-part podcast, The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Kevin O'Connor to run through Game 2 of Mavericks-Clippers and Bucks-Pacers (1:25), Suns-Timberwolves (22:02), Knicks-76ers, and Lakers-Nuggets (39:40). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Kevin O'Connor Producer: Kyle Crichton The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit …

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Part 1: NFL Draft Trade Predictions, QB Bust Tendencies, and New England’s Big Moment With Benjamin Solak 1:14:50

2d ago1:14:50

1:14:50

In Part 1 of a two-part podcast, The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Benjamin Solak to discuss possible NFL draft trade candidates, including the Patriots, Cardinals, Chargers, Broncos, Titans, and more. They also get into reasons why QBs fail, draft pick speculation, and more! Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Benjamin Solak Producer: Kyle Crichton The…

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NBA Weekend Surprises, Embiid/Kawhi Murkiness, Jokic vs. the All-Timers, and the Presti Letter With Ryen Russillo 2:00:33

4d ago2:00:33

2:00:33

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss the Thunder surviving the Pelicans in Game 1, their favorite and least favorite Round 1 series so far (1:43), before running through all the weekend's games (20:39). Next, they examine Joel Embiid and Kawhi Leonard's playoff performances and injury history, Nikola Jokic’s legacy potent…

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Part 2: Sixers-Knicks, Leo-Sinatra, LeBron-Jokic, Kraft-Belichick and Half-Baked Ideas With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Kevin Wildes 1:42:30

7d ago1:42:30

1:42:30

In Part 2 of a two-part podcast, The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Chris Ryan and Sean Fennessey to discuss the highly anticipated 76ers-Knicks playoff series (1:34). Then, Bill talks with Kevin Wildes of FS1 to discuss the Lakers-Nuggets Round 1 playoff series (34:39), ESPN's Bill Belichick story (53:44), and some Half-Baked Ideas (1:17:44). …

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Part 1: Favorite First-Round NBA Storylines With Rob Mahoney, Plus the Fall of the Warriors With Logan Murdock 1:26:27

8d ago1:26:27

1:26:27

In Part 1 of a two-part podcast, The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Rob Mahoney to discuss first-round NBA playoff matchups (1:25), before playing a game of "What-If" for the playoffs (24:22). Next, Bill talks with Logan Murdock about the Warriors' elimination from the postseason, offseason speculation, and more (49:21). Host: Bill Simmons Gues…

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Part 2: Our NBA Awards Ballots, Eastern Conference Thoughts, the Masters, and UFC 300 With Ryen Russillo 1:39:49

11d ago1:39:49

1:39:49

In Part 2 of a two-part podcast, The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo and Steve Ceruti to break down the remaining playoff matchups, including Magic-Cavs, and talk about whom the Celtics should want in their series (0:47). Next, Bill and Russillo go through their MVP ballots, All-NBA teams, and the rest of their regular-season award…

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Part 1: A Wild NBA Weekend, Plus a Playoff Preview With Ryen Russillo 1:18:11

12d ago1:18:11

1:18:11

In Part 1 of a two-part podcast, The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss all the NBA movement from this weekend, including the Suns' strong finish, the Spurs defeating the Nuggets and changing the Western Conference playoff seeding, the Warriors' best-case scenario, a look at the Clippers-Mavericks matchup, the Knicks solidi…

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O.J.’s Dead, NBA Playoff Scenarios, Masters Predictions, and Ohtani’s Crisis With Joe House and Nathan Hubbard 1:30:16

14d ago1:30:16

1:30:16

Joe House to discuss NBA playoff scenarios (15:24). Bill, House, and Nathan Hubbard then discuss Round 1 of the Masters (33:55), and new developments in the Shohei Ohtani gambling investigation (1:01:45). Host: Bill Simmons Guests: Joe House and Nathan Hubbard Producer: Kyle Crichton The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.r…

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A Masters–NBA Title Crossover, Caitlin’s New World, and the ‘Curb’ Mini Pyramid With Joe House. Plus, Creating ‘3 Body Problem’ With David Benioff, Dan Weiss, and Alexander Woo. 2:19:22

16d ago2:19:22

2:19:22

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Joe House to discuss athletes that have raised the profile of a sport and where Caitlin Clark fits into that group (4:05), NBA title contenders paired with Masters contenders (29:01), and Bill's 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' mini pyramid (1:09:09). Then Bill is joined by '3 Body Problem' creators David Benioff, Dan W…

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The 2024 Made-Up NBA Awards Show With Ryen Russillo 1:51:00

18d ago1:51:00

1:51:00

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss the captivating Mavericks, first-round playoff teams, and some All-NBA ballot thoughts (1:07) before presenting some completely fictional Alternate NBA Awards for the 2023-24 NBA season (22:34). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Ryen Russillo Producer: Kyle Crichton The Ringer is committed to …

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NBA Trouble Teams, the WR Mini-Pyramid, and the Knicks Can’t Catch a Break With Howard Beck, Sean Fennessey, and Steve Ceruti 1:44:25

21d ago1:44:25

1:44:25

The Ringer's Bill Simmons runs through some NBA and NFL topics, including three NBA teams in trouble, the Jets, and the Stefon Diggs trade, before sharing his NFL WR mini-pyramid with Steve Ceruti (2:24). Then, Bill is joined by Sean Fennessey and Howard Beck to do a Knicks check-in after hearing the news that Julius Randle's injury will keep him o…

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How to Tune Toms 33:36

22d ago33:36

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Daniels Vs. Maye and Caitlin Vs. Everybody With Mina Kimes. Plus, a WrestleMania 40 Mega-Preview With Ariel Helwani and David Shoemaker. 2:04:56

23d ago2:04:56

2:04:56

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by ESPN's Mina Kimes to compare and contrast QB draft prospects Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye. They also discuss clear no. 1 pick Caleb Williams, hopeless 2024-25 NFL teams, the new NFL kickoff rules, March Madness, and more (2:05). Then, Bill talks with David Shoemaker and Ariel Helwani about WrestleMania 40, WW…

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Everything We Learned This NBA Season, the Worst Owner Pyramid, and a Killer Hoops Weekend With Ryen Russillo 1:58:53

25d ago1:58:53

1:58:53

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss Knicks-Thunder, Timberwolves-Bulls, Rockets-Mavericks, and Spurs-Warriors (1:31). Then they play a game of "What did we learn this season?" that covers Jaylen Brown, Victor Wembanyama, Donovan Mitchell, the Suns, the Thunder, and much more (26:27). Finally, they dig into the Timberwolv…

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312: Latest Draymond Antics | Arizona Wildcats Disappoint 37:38

28d ago37:38

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After his latest incident, Draymond Green is back in the spotlight for reasons other than his play. How much are his antics contributing to the struggling nature of the Golden State Warriors? On this episode of Road Trippin', Richard and Channing discuss how much of a distraction Draymond is being while the Warriors fight for a playoff spot. Also, …

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Practical Independence Lesson, Part 1: One-Limb Ostinatos and Melodies 39:04

29d ago39:04

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The Timberwolves Mess, Plus the Evolution of 21st Century Sports Docs With ‘The Last Dance’ Director Jason Hehir 1:51:49

29d ago1:51:49

1:51:49

The Ringer's Bill Simmons shares his thoughts on the Minnesota Timberwolves sale falling through (2:00). Then, Bill is joined by director-producer Jason Hehir to discuss how the medium of sports documentaries has evolved over the 21st century (14:46) before diving into some of Jason's films, including 'The Fab Five' (31:06), the lost Sacramento Kin…

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NFL Over/Unders, AD’s Big Night. a Jayden Daniels Report, Gambling Scandals, and Diddy’s Fall With Raheem Palmer and Van Lathan 2:14:14

1M ago2:14:14

2:14:14

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Raheem Palmer to discuss Lakers-Bucks and Pelicans-Thunder, before giving their instant reactions to the newly released NFL win totals for the 2024-25 season (1:31). Next, Bill is joined by Van Lathan to discuss QB prospect Jayden Daniels and how he stacks up against the other top QBs in this draft class (28:1…

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Houston’s Surprise Surge, Best West Futures, and the 2024 Defense Draft With Ryen Russillo 2:01:18

1M ago2:01:18

2:01:18

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss the Houston Rockets climbing the ranks in the Western Conference (1:35), the Warriors' down year, and Western Conference teams with the brightest futures (21:22). Then, they talk through some Clippers confusion and whether they're ready to believe in the Bucks (48:18), before drafting …

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Orlando’s Magic, Calipari’s Future, and the Anthony Edwards Experience With Steve Ceruti, Tate Frazier, and Austin Rivers 1:58:19

1M ago1:58:19

1:58:19

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Steve Ceruti to take a serious look at the Magic after handling the Pelicans (2:41). Then, Bill and Ceruti are joined by Tate Frazier to talk through another disappointing tournament exit for John Calipari and Kentucky (21:53). Finally, Bill talks with Austin Rivers about Anthony Edwards becoming the face of y…

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Doc Sweeney's Steven Stecher on the Focus Series Snare Drum 42:37

1M ago42:37

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Shop for parts, accessories, sticks, hardware, and more at www.drumfactorydirect.com.By Mike Dawson

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311: Vintage Kyrie | Playoff Push Begins 57:25

1M ago57:25

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Kyrie Irving is reminding the league he has the most complete skillset of any player. Is he hitting his stride and peaking at just the right time...just before the playoffs tip? On this edition of Road Trippin', Rich, Channing and Allie discuss Kyrie's resurgence, if the Pelicans can thrive with a newly motivated Zion Williamson and how the league …

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Best In-Game Dunkers, LeBron Vs. Steph 37.0, Chicago’s New QB Hero, and Building a 2024 Media Company With Jason Goff and Dave Finocchio 2:07:36

1M ago2:07:36

2:07:36

The Ringer's Bill Simmons runs through six sports topics, including playoff hopes for Lakers and Warriors, the Patriots' poor spending habits, the uncertain future of NFL Network's ‘GMFB,’ all-time in-game dunkers, and more (1:58). Then Bill is joined by Jason Goff to discuss the Bears trading QB Justin Fields to the Steelers, a Bears QB deep-dive,…

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#70: Bill Simmons' Descent From Apex Mountain to Nadir Canyon; Plus Guess the Lines & Russillo Pods are Stale, Does Bill Even Like the NFL, Bill's Growing Arrogance and The Ringer's Disappointments 1:14:24

1M ago1:14:24

1:14:24

Welcome to Episode 70! We bring on Doug from Twitter (@dougie_fresh055) for a rollicking ride of all things Bill Simmons. We first hit on Bill Simmons current events, including what will surely be a hilariously petty response to LeBron's podcast with JJ; in fact, this likely explains the uptick in cheap shots Bill's taken at LeBron lately. Next we …

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The Maybe-Dangerous Mavs, a Pelicans Climb, LeBron’s All-NBA Case, and NFL Draft Guesses With Ryen Russillo 2:05:07

1M ago2:05:07

2:05:07

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss Kyrie Irving's ridiculous game-winner vs. the Nuggets, concerning Suns stats, and the new officiating trends (2:38) before talking about Tyrese Haliburton's post-injury play, Pelicans optimism, and All-NBA ballots (44:28). Finally, they close the show with some NFL draft talk, where th…

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The Worst NBA Contracts Draft With Joe House and Big Wos 1:53:11

1M ago1:53:11

1:53:11

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Joe House and Wosny Lambre for the third annual NBA Worst Contracts Draft. One by one, they draft the worst NBA contracts in 2024. Host: Bill Simmons Guests: Wosny Lambre and Joe House Producer: Kyle Crichton The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming, please checkout theringer.com/RG to find out more or li…

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310: Nuggets Comeback Concerns? | Who's the Next Face of the NBA? 1:03:02

1M ago1:03:02

1:03:02

After the Denver Nuggets pulled off yet another comeback victory, is it more impressive they are able to steal wins, or are these comebacks cause for alarm? On this edition of Road Trippin', Rich, Channing and Allie discuss, the reigning NBA Champs, and their penchant for come-from-behind victories. Also, the crew discusses the potential of the lea…

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10 Reasons to Love BILLY HIGGINS 1:03:10

1M ago1:03:10

1:03:10

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The Cousins Placebo, McCaffrey 2.0, NYJ-DC Optimism, and the Brady-Belichick Era With Sheil Kapadia and Julian Edelman 1:55:53

1M ago1:55:53

1:55:53

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Sheil Kapadia to discuss the beginning of NFL free agency, including the Eagles signing Saquon Barkley (2:06), Kirk Cousins's big deal with the Falcons, Russell Wilson to the Steelers, the Vikings picking up Sam Darnold, QB draft projections, AFC East speculation, possible Commanders optimism, and more (24:26)…

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The NBA’s 20-Year Shift, a Sneaky Rule Change, LeBron’s Next Deal, and So Long Mac Jones With Ryen Russillo 1:53:13

2M ago1:53:13

1:53:13

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss the noticeable shift in NBA officiating since the All-Star break, and which teams could benefit or suffer from increased physicality on the floor (2:30), Nuggets vs. Celtics, and some potential fatal flaws in the title contenders, including the Cavaliers, Suns, Thunder, Bucks, and more…

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Denver’s in Charge, Ant's Unbelievable, Kimmel’s Back, and UFC 299 Storylines With Rob Mahoney, Jimmy Kimmel and Ariel Helwani 2:13:53

2M ago2:13:53

2:13:53

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Rob Mahoney to discuss the Nuggets win over the Celtics, the epic Anthony Edwards game and where some of the second tier contenders rank in the west (01:25). Then, Bill catches up with Jimmy Kimmel to talk Oscars, what it’s like hosting, and his best memories from the shows (54:45). Finally, he closes it out w…

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309: Does Victor Wembanyama DESERVE Defensive Player of the Year? 1:04:30

2M ago1:04:30

1:04:30

With the Spurs having one of the worst records in the NBA, should Victor Wembanyama be in the discussion for DPOY? On this edition of Road Trippin', Rich and Channing give their takes on whether the rookie deserves the award despite being on one of the worst teams in the league. Also, the crew puts LeBron James's record of 40,000 points all-time in…

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A Celtics Flop, Best Oscar Story Lines, Planning the Olympics, and the Fall of College Sports With Matthew Belloni and Casey Wasserman 2:00:41

2M ago2:00:41

2:00:41

The Ringer's Bill Simmons shares some brief thoughts on the Celtics' loss to the Cavaliers (2:08) before he is joined by Matthew Belloni to answer 10 burning questions about the Oscars (8:46). Then Bill talks with Casey Wasserman about planning for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles (42:17), managing talent at Wasserman, the future of college …

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#69: RINGER UNION UPDATE — Bill Simmons Passes the Buck 53:50

2M ago53:50

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That’s right — an entire show talking Ringer Union. The BS Pod has continued to be released despite no contract after it expired, yet Bill added a disclaimer today that The Ringer is “owned, managed and operated by Spotify” - was this an attempt to pass the buck? We say yes. Bill not only has significant influence at Spotify, but he’s also Head of …

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The Disappointment All-Stars, LeBron’s Unapproachable 40K, Minnesota Concerns, and Boston’s F-You Game With Ryen Russillo 2:12:49

2M ago2:12:49

2:12:49

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss the Clippers' narrow victory over the Timberwolves (1:23), the Celtics' staggering 52-point win over the Warriors (17:56), and Lakers-Nuggets (29:58) before discussing LeBron's milestone of 40,000 points and his looming extension with the Lakers (53:17). Then they name their "Disappoin…

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308: Does Jayson Tatum Get Enough Credit? | Arrest Court-Stormers?! 50:59

2M ago50:59

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With Jayson Tatum leading the Boston Celtics to 1st place in the Eastern Conference, does he still not get enough credit? On this edition of Road Trippin', Richard, Channing, and Allie talk about the discussion surrounding Jayson Tatum. Does the roster of All-Stars around him dampen his impact to some critics? Also, the crew talks about Monty Willi…

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The Wemby Era, a Women’s Hoops Revolution, Taylor Swift Vs. the Beatles, and Maye Vs. Daniels With Chuck Klosterman 1:43:03

2M ago1:43:03

1:43:03

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Chuck Klosterman to discuss Victor Wembanyama speculations, international basketball, and cracks in the American youth basketball structure (1:22), before they talk about the spike in the popularity of women's college basketball, different eras of college sports, PEDs, and more (24:52). Then they discuss the c…

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Best In-Person NBA Stars, Trickiest Playoff Teams, Jaylen Brown on Trial, and the Hottest Take With Ryen Russillo 1:57:33

2M ago1:57:33

1:57:33

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss Nuggets-Warriors (1:52) and best NBA players to see in person (19:02), before wondering which playoff teams are going to fool everyone (46:56). Then, they fire off some "hot takes" (1:10:17) before checking in on the 45-12 Celtics (1:16:57), and sharing some NBA media thoughts (1:39:50…

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#68: The 3-Man Weave is Back! r/BS Pod OGs Bob & Pop Talk Derek Thompson on the BS Pod, How Russillo Acts on PMT vs. the BS Pod, McAfee vs. Simmons and Doc's Media Tour; Plus an r/BillSimmons Check-In 1:24:32

2M ago1:24:32

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Welcome to another episode! We bring back r/BS Pod OGs Pop & Bob — these guys have been here from the beginning. We haven't done a 3-man weave since late October, so we needed to get another evolutionary Ric Bucher, Steiny Mo and BS Report-era Bill Simmons 3-man weave episode out with so much going on in BS Land. We start with how we're holding up …

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307: Giannis Doesn't Watch ANY Basketball?! | Doc Rivers/JJ Redick Beef 57:19

2M ago57:19

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Is it a bad look that Giannis Antetokounmpo doesn't watch basketball? On this edition of Road Trippin', Richard, Channing and Allie dive into what this revelation tells us about the Bucks superstar, and why it is potentially stunting his greatness. Also, after a take about Doc Rivers was dropped by JJ Redick, what are players' feelings about the lo…

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#67: Assessing The Ringer & Bill Simmons's Video Progress in 2024 — The Next Needed Improvement is Social Media; Plus, Bill Simmons Current Events & More NBA Rights Deal Discussion 1:43:24

2M ago1:43:24

1:43:24

Welcome to Episode 67! We bring back fan favorite Zach (@_zachblatter) from Episode 55 for a return visit to The Ringer & Bill Simmons' video, social media and growth strategies. Zach (Brand Manager at The Strickland) is highly experienced in the field as anyone who listened to #55 can attest to and once again brings a variety of excellent ideas to…

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#66: Mark Titus & Bill's Falling Out, McAfee vs. Simmons Update, Behind the Scenes of the DC Live Rewatchables, Guess the Lines History & Looking Back at Bill's Baseball Book 'Now I Can Die in Peace' 2:01:59

2M ago2:01:59

2:01:59

Welcome to a jam packed episode with Jake from Twitter (@DeAnime69)! We start off with Bill Simmons current events. Mark Titus recently spoke not so glowingly about Bill on a podcast, so we discuss their falling out - Bill used to refer to Mark as his "illegitimate son" - as well as Titus' career progression to date, including some drawbacks of bei…

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The Future of Everything With Derek Thompson, Plus UFC 300’s Missing Main Event and the Rock’s Turn With Ariel Helwani 1:55:06

2M ago1:55:06

1:55:06

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Derek Thompson to discuss the "future of everything," including health, culture, tech, and sports (3:15). Then Bill talks with Ariel Helwani about the buzz for the upcoming UFC 300 vs. the reality that it might not even be the best card so far this year, UFC 298 and 299 story lines, WrestleMania 40, upcoming W…

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Product Design and More With Sahir Hanif (Masters of Maple) 1:16:56

2M ago1:16:56

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The Warriors Come Alive, Wemby, Mahomes, the Bucks, and the Uncertain 2024 Election With Logan Murdock and Tara Palmeri 1:50:38

2M ago1:50:38

1:50:38

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Logan Murdock to discuss his article "The Golden State Warriors Don’t Think This Is the End," Jonathan Kuminga's development, Klay Thompson's new outlook, Draymond Green's return, this season's playoff hopes, and more (2:00). Then Bill hits a couple sports topics, including Kristaps Porzingis, the Milwaukee Bu…

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#65: EMERGENCY BEEFCAST: Pat McAfee Fires Back at Bill Simmons & Lands Nuclear Blast — It's Officially a Feud! 42:25

2M ago42:25

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Bill Simmons has been chirping at Pat McAfee for months. A few weeks back Bill ripped off a lengthy impression making in fun of McAfee on his show. This closely followed Bill & Cousin Sal's buddy Jimmy Kimmel being miffed at McAfee guest Aaron Rodgers. McAfee waited a month, but today landed what I consider a nuclear blast on Simmons - audio includ…

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Three for KC, MVP Mahomes, Shanahan’s Error, Craziest Bets, and More Super Bowl Reactions With Cousin Sal 1:19:09

2M ago1:19:09

1:19:09

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to recap Super Bowl LVIII, talk winners and losers, highlight the biggest moments, update legacies, review their gambling ledgers, and more! Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming, please checkout theringer.com/RG to find out more o…

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#64: Spotify Expert Breaks Down Their Music Business & Podcasting Venture, Reviews The Ringer's Contributions & the Implications of Joe Rogan's New Deal, Plus His Prediction of Bill Simmons' Next Move 1:32:15

3M ago1:32:15

1:32:15

Welcome to Episode 64! We bring on Brett (@CCM_Brett) from the Chit Chat Stocks Podcast (@chitchatstocks) for a deep dive into Spotify. The company's been in the news lately following a robust earnings report celebrated by Wall Street and their new deal with Joe Rogan, where he will still be with Spotify, but non-exclusive to their platform. On the…

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