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Welcome to The Hill of Justice, a thought-provoking podcast hosted by Jerome Hill, a former law enforcement officer with decades of experience on the front lines and retired Clayton County Sheriff Victor Hill. Each week, they delve into the most pressing issues at the intersection of law enforcement, social justice, and politics. Through candid discussions, in-depth analysis, and expert interviews, Hill of Justice offers an insider’s perspective on the complexities of policing and the challe ...
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Strong Songs

Kirk Hamilton

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Music: it's good. On each episode of Strong Songs, host Kirk Hamilton takes listeners inside a piece of music, breaking it down and figuring out what makes it work.
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Life has many layers. Whether it's true crime, the media spotlight, mental health, religion or any other part of a person’s journey, there are so many deeper truths underneath the surface. To truly understand them, you need to peel back those layers to find the depth, beauty, joy, suffering and struggles that become the silver linings. Join Jayson Blair each week for interesting conversations with interesting people from all walks of life. Artwork by Hannah Hill. https://www.instagram.com/se ...
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The AP and Jay Show

Alex and Jaydin

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Welcome to The AP and Jay Show, hosted by Alex Pettit and Jaydin Hill. Tune in to hear two homies talk about life, music, film, and all things for the culture. If you make art, music, or have a passion that needs to be shared hit us up because on this podcast if you come to our table everybody eats! #SammieGang
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In this special year‑end episode, I reflect on a year of stories that pushed us to confront grief, resilience, injustice and hope. Through conversations with families, survivors, advocates, scholars, and listeners, 2025 revealed how much we still have to learn about compassion, courage and the hidden struggles shaping people’s lives. This episode l…
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Send us a text A quiet night turned into a statewide crisis when three inmates made a high-risk escape from the DeKalb County Jail. They didn’t slip out. They repelled down from what was essentially the 16th floor of a maximum-security unit. And moves like that don’t happen unless the system is already broken. We walk through how this escape expose…
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In the second part of our Listeners Episode, we go deep with Joelle Brouner and Maria Holdridge, and, at some point, if you can believe it, I sit back and just listen to this powerful conversation. I appreciate all of you listeners and love to hear about your lives and your stories, and this was no exception. Contact me at silverliningshandbookpod@…
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My listeners are an amazing bunch. As we head into the new year, this is part of a discussion I had recently with several listeners about the year, the future, the meaning of the holidays, family, friendship, and community. I am joined today by Marie Holdridge, Allison Dickson, Brian Santana, Lauren Ater and Cameron Santana. Contact me at silverlin…
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Send us a text Two students dead. Nine wounded. A shooter walked away into the snow — vanished. No arrest. No trace. In this episode of Hill of Justice, we break down one of the rarest active-shooter investigations in U.S. history. Brown University becomes the center of a national security nightmare. The offender was methodical. Disciplined. Delibe…
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Krissi Haas discovered the truth about her mother's murder in an unexpected way. Nearly three decades after 23-year-old Wilma June Nissen's body was found in rural Iowa, a cold case review led investigators to run her fingerprints through a national database. They matched an old arrest record from Long Beach, California and a friend sent Krissi an …
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Send us a text A city doesn’t pay $30 million unless something went seriously wrong. In this episode we break down and examine the San Diego police shooting of 16-year-old Canoa Wilson, who was shot in the back while running from gunfire. We break down what the headlines don’t explain: - Why this settlement was unavoidable - How video evidence shif…
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In the second part of my conversation with retired FBI profiler Julia Cowley, we continue examining the 1996 murder of 20‑year‑old Swedish au pair Karina Holmer, whose body was discovered in a Boston dumpster. We explore what the killer’s choices reveal about motive, how geography points to where the crime likely occurred, and why media speculation…
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Send us a text On New Year’s Eve 2019, realtor Monique Baugh walked into a fake home showing and was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered—part of a planned conspiracy built on burner phones, a fake listing, and a U-Haul that left a digital trail investigators used to rebuild the entire case. In this Hill of Justice episode, we break down how the kille…
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On New Year’s Eve 2019, realtor Monique Baugh walked into a fake home showing and was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered—part of a planned conspiracy built on burner phones, a fake listing, and a U-Haul that left a digital trail investigators used to rebuild the entire case. In this Hill of Justice episode, we break down how the killers selected the…
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Retired FBI profiler Julia Cowley joins me to revisit the haunting unsolved murder of Karina Holmer, a 20‑year‑old Swedish au pair whose upper body was found in a Boston dumpster in 1996. Julia and I talk about Karina’s life, the night she disappeared after leaving Zanzibar nightclub and why the comparisons to infamous Black Dahlia case don’t hold …
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Send us a text A decade ago, 12-year-old Morgan Geyser shocked the world by stabbing a classmate 19 times in a case inspired by the Slender Man myth. Recently, she briefly escaped custody, reigniting debates over juvenile crime, mental health treatment, and public safety. In this episode of Hill of Justice, we break down the chilling Slender Man st…
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Kirk sits down with jazz piano legend Peter Martin to talk about Peter's musical background, his momentous early encounters with Wynton Marsalis and Kenny Kirkland, the jazz scene of the 1990s, how the Suzuki method works, and why jazz students today should be less shy about talking to their heroes. Check out Peter's online jazz education program O…
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I sit down with advocate and researcher Raul Montero, best known for his work on the Long Island Serial Killer and for creating a groundbreaking map that tracks thousands of missing and unidentified persons. Raul talks with me about how his journey began with curiosity about a local case and evolved into a mission of compassion, focusing less on th…
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Send us a text In 2025, a 48-minute YouTube documentary sent shockwaves across the country. Viewers watched in disbelief as chaos, violence, and collapse inside Clayton County Jail unfolded in real time, a jail once known as the toughest paramilitary facility in America. Within hours, millions were asking the same question: How did a clean, control…
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What happens when justice hits a jurisdictional wall? In this episode, I sit down with Jerome Lucero, former police chief and three-time governor of the Pueblo of Zia tribe to unpack the tangled web of tribal law enforcement, federal oversight and the devastating consequences of legal fragmentation on Indigenous lands. From the landmark Supreme Cou…
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Send us a text In 2010, a terrified woman ran through a gated Long Island community screaming, “They’re trying to kill me.” Her 911 call lasted 23 minutes — and yet police never came. Months later, her disappearance would uncover one of the most disturbing serial murder cases in modern history: the Gilgo Beach killings. In this Hill of Justice epis…
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Writer, composer, and Peabody Award-winning podcaster Jad Abumrad joins Kirk to talk about Fela Kuti: Fear No Man, his new 12-part series on the life, music, and legacy of Afrobeat superstar Fela Kuti. DISCUSSED/REFERENCED: “Miryea’s Death” by Jack Nitzche from Revenge, 1990 “Prologue” by Alexandre Desplat from Birth, 2004 Excerpt from Port(al), mu…
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On September 19, 2024, a quiet Kentucky courthouse became the scene of an unthinkable event when Sheriff Stines walked into a judge’s private chambers — and only one of them walked out. In this Hill of Justice episode, hosts Jerome Hill and retired Sheriff Victor Hill break down the shocking case that stunned America. How does a man sworn to protec…
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At just 27 years old, fighter pilot Kim Campbell was flying a combat mission over Baghdad when a barrage of anti-aircraft fire struck her A-10 Warthog. Her hydraulics failed instantly. Ground troops shifted from receiving air support to preparing a rescue. But instead of ejecting, Kim did the unthinkable—manually flying the crippled aircraft for 45…
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Morgan Scafe joins me to recount her seven-year journey—beginning in high school—that started with abuse by her best friend's father and ended in his conviction for kidnapping and sexual abuse. Morgan was just eight years old when he assaulted her in the house on Carpenter Road in rural Michigan. After years of struggling with the trauma and its ef…
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Send us a text A routine 911 call turned tragic when Officer Grayson shot and killed Sonya Massey — a woman in crisis seeking help. The case has sparked national outrage, not only for the shooting itself but for what came next: the failure to render aid, the gaps in police training, and the troubling intersection of mental health and law enforcemen…
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This episode of Twenty Thousand Hertz originally ran in August 2025. Kirk's 2020 episode of Strong Songs about the music of Super Mario TWENTY THOUSAND HERTZ SHOW NOTES: This episode was written & produced by Casey Emmerling. From the springy jump sound to the iconic Overworld Theme, the sound of Super Mario Bros. is instantly recognizable. With ju…
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Brett Talley and I continue our exploration of the monsters that societies breathe into existence—creatures shaped by cautionary tales, cultural trauma, and collective imagination. From Korean folklore and Greek myths of divine punishment through transformation into what the English called werewolves, to modern specters like Slenderman, we trace ho…
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Send us a text A Florida mother of four, Ajike “AJ” Owens, was shot and killed after knocking on her neighbor’s door — a confrontation that reignited national outrage over race, fear, and self-defense laws in America. In this episode of Hill of Justice, hosts Jerome Hillm retired Sheriff Victor Hill and special guest Juming Delmas dissect the case …
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There are a lot of monsters in the world — and a lot of them we breathe into existence. Brett Talley, a horror writer and co-host of The Prosecutors podcast, joins me to discuss the monsters we create. We discuss how, in many ways, we create these monsters and the folklore around them because we need them. From the Wendigo and Slenderman to zombies…
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Send us a text A tragic case in Georgia has stunned the nation — a six-month-old baby, Nakaiya Pratt, found dead and dumped in the woods. His father, Antonio Pierce, and mother, Nicolette Pratt, are now accused of covering up the horrific act with a fake robbery story. In this episode of Hill of Justice, hosts Jerome Hill and retired Sheriff Victor…
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It's fun to talk about TV theme songs, so that's what Kirk and special guest Leigh Sales did. Does this episode need any more introduction than that? Probably not. Check out Leigh's wonderful podcast Chat 10 Looks 3 A YouTube Playlist of many of the themes discussed (and some they didn't get to) DISCUSSED/REFERENCED: The Office Theme - “Handbags an…
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Julia Cowley, a retired FBI profiler and the host of The Consult podcast, and I set out to discuss the University of Idaho murders and the killer of four college students, Bryan Kohberger. But something strange happened when we began discussing the survivors who were in the house. It was during a week when a beloved podcaster, friend, and researche…
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In the early morning hours of November 13, 2022, someone entered a house just off the University of Idaho campus in a brazen home invasion that left four University of Idaho students — Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves — dead. Julia Cowley, a retired FBI profiler and host of The Consult podcast, joins me to continue on…
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Send us a text A violent confrontation in Indianapolis involving former NFL player Mark Sanchez has reignited national debates about celebrity violence, bond reform, and fairness in the criminal justice system. When fame and fortune collide with the law, does justice truly remain blind? In this episode of Hill of Justice, hosts Jerome Hill and reti…
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In the early morning hours of November 13, 2022, some entered a house just off the University of Idaho campus and stabbed four students to death. Months later, a suspect was identified. This year, he pled guilty to the charges without giving any hint why he committed the crimes or what made the victims desirable targets. Julia Cowley, a retired FBI…
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In this gripping episode of Hill of Justice, we break down the tragic Michigan church shooting that has left a community in shock and grief. We uncover the chilling details of the case, explore the background of the alleged shooter, and discuss the broader implications for faith, safety, and justice in America today. Join hosts Jerome and Keith Hil…
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Originally Aired October 20, 2020 The Wildlings are south of the wall, the robots are rising up, Seventh Kavalry's on the move, and two percent of the world's population has vanished. Time for another edition of Strong TV Songs! This time around the focus is on HBO, a network that has defined much of the broader TV landscape over the past couple of…
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Criminal defense attorney Matthew Tympanick joins me to examine the boundaries of legal strategy in three high-profile cases — Karen Read, Bryan Kohberger and Richard Allen — and low-profile ones as well. Tympanick discusses how jury selection shaped the outcome of the Read trial, the pressures defense attorneys face in the public eye, and the ethi…
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Send us a text A missing 15-year-old girl. A Tesla hiding the body. And a homicide investigation tangled with celebrity involvement. The tragic case of Celeste Rivas Hernandez is more than just another crime story—it’s a chilling reminder of how modern technology, media pressure, and internet sleuths collide in today’s justice system. In this power…
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In this episode, I sit down with veteran journalist and author Mark Pinsky, whose career has taken him from high-profile crime reporting to covering racial justice and religion. Mark shares how his political awakening at Duke University in the 1960s and the civil rights movement shaped his worldview, how his interest in social justice led him to co…
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Send us a text 🚨 A single shot at Utah Valley University ends Charlie Kirk’s life in front of a packed crowd. Officials call it a political assassination. But the precision of the attack, the psychology of the shooter, and the aftermath raise chilling questions about public safety in America. In this explosive episode of Hill of Justice, hosts Jero…
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With so many dozens of albums over so many wildly disparate eras, it can take a lifetime to truly get your arms around Bob Dylan. On this episode, Kirk is joined by two guests who have spent their lifetimes doing exactly that. Matt Sitman and Sam Adler-Bell, in addition to co-hosting the terrific political history podcast Know Your Enemy, are both …
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In this bonus from the Santana True Crime podcast, I discuss the disappearance of Ashley Loring Heavyrunner, a 20-year-old Indigenous woman who went missing from the Blackfeet Reservation. We talk about my recent trip to Montana, meeting one of the key suspects in the case, theories and what being on the ground told me about the case and the cross-…
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In the second half of our conversation, we move from systemic critique to case-specific urgency. Ed Dentzel and I examine the disappearances of Olivia Lone Bear, Jermaine Charlo, Ashley Loring Heavyrunner, Leo Wagner, Jeremy Jourdain, and Nevaeh Kingbird —not as isolated tragedies, but as part of a devastating pattern of institutional neglect. We u…
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Send us a text 🚨 A single shot at Utah Valley University ends Charlie Kirk’s life in front of a packed crowd. Officials call it a political assassination. But the precision of the attack, the psychology of the shooter, and the aftermath raise chilling questions about public safety in America. In this explosive episode of Hill of Justice, hosts Jero…
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What does it mean to disappear when so few notice? What does it mean to disappear from the very place meant to protect your presence? In the first half of a two-part conversation, I speak with Ed Dentzel — an expert on missing persons cases and the host of The Unfound podcast — about the unsettling realities surrounding disappearances of Native peo…
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Send us a text 🚨 A traffic stop in Aurora, Colorado spirals out of control in less than three minutes — ending in a fatal shooting. Police say it was justified. But the tactics, training, and aftermath tell a far more troubling story. In this explosive episode of Hill of Justice, hosts Jerome Hill and retired Sheriff Victor Hill break down the chil…
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The Wailin' Jennys have been singing together for more than two decades - recording albums, touring the world, and filling venues large and small. After all these years, the trio—Ruth Moody, Heather Masse, and Nicky Mehta—have reached both a plateau and an inflection point. What's it like for a musical group that's been together for that long; for …
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In February 2017, two friends—13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German—set out across a bridge in Delphi, Indiana. They never came home. What followed was one of the most haunting and widely followed true crime cases in America. In this episode, I speak with Brett Talley, co-host of The Prosecutors Podcast, about the long journey from…
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Boy oh boy your favs are back in business! Not that we ever left though. Where was Y’ALL at?? In this episode we get back to the swing of things, talking about our plans for the podcast, the Baltimore community and how we want to build community. AP’s Into the Sound Booth features Leon Thomas’ MUTT DELUXE: Heel, and in Jay’s Reel Frame we talk Ryan…
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When 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German disappeared from an abandoned railroad bridge on February 13, 2017, the community rushed to search for them. Once they were found murdered, law enforcement began the arduous process of searching for their killer. But, at the end of the day, it was clear from the investigation by Kevin Gree…
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