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We believe that digital transformation efforts make companies and communities more resilient. In the API Resilience podcast you'll listen to guests from industry leading API teams sharing their views about the current trends of the API economy. We also bring you insights that your API team will be able to use, and even explain to your management on how APIs can help your company cope, resurge, and thrive during and after this pandemic. The host is Kristof Van Tomme.
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The Orange Juice Podcast by Bankwest

Bankwest Technology & Transformation

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In the Orange Juice Podcast series by Bankwest, you'll hear from our people, what we're working on, who we're talking to and what we're doing in the tech space. Bankwest provides personal and business banking solutions for more than 1.1 million retail and business customers across Australia. Bankwest customers enjoy access to an extensive network of stores and business centres, direct and third party distribution channels, agencies and electronic banking facilities, as well as 24-hour teleph ...
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A research-heavy field can be difficult to navigate for the layperson. In this case, documentation is an invaluable bridge connecting services and customers. In this episode, Daria Lutchenko (UP42) explains the value of concise and coherent documentation that allows providers to keep up their end of the “social contract”.…
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How can one ensure that their business remains sustainable? What are the key principles of value-based selling? Is it possible to create a fair distribution of value? In this episode, Stefan Verstraeten (Head of Value at TomTom) discusses these questions, and explains how complexity science as a mental model can help to better understand the way th…
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APIs are undergoing a transformative shift, and the mindset surrounding APIs is also evolving. In this episode, Kristof Van Tomme is joined by Alicia Miller and Joshua Markham (Verizon), and they explore the concept of APIs as utilities, what it means to approach APIs with a utility mindset, as well as the future of applications in the age of LLMs.…
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The key to successful architecture isn’t the beautiful design with the perfect abstractions; it is more about knowing what can go wrong and where the fragile areas are. In this episode, Barry O’Reilly (Founder at Black Tulip Technology) shares his experience as an architect with Kristof Van Tomme and points out how residuality theory can help us be…
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The way we think about the future of APIs can take many different forms. In this episode, Marsh Gardiner and Kristof Van Tomme approach the subject from several angles. They discuss questions like: Why can we say that APIs are interface utilities? How does the network effect work? Can we call APIs infrastructure? Marsh's #APIFutures post: https://s…
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In this episode, Koichi Shiroma (Principal Consultant) narrates his journey of how his team implemented an interface portal. With Kristof Van Tomme, they discuss what can be the business drivers for interface portals and what obstacles one has to overcome during the implementation. Resources: https://pronovix.com/articles/apis-are-interface-utiliti…
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In this episode, Michael Hibay (API Platform Architect at WSFS Bank) and Mike Amundsen (Amundsen,com, Inc.) deep dive into the topic of hypermedia, complex systems, Domain Driven Design, and generative AI. They explore the questions of what hypermedia API is, what an API affordance catalog can be, and how language models can be applied on the clien…
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Why can we treat Kubernetes as an open standard that enables computing to become a utility? In this episode, Viktor Farcic (Developer Advocate at Upbound) explains why we can say that Kubernetes is an extensible API, and highlights that an API has no tangible usefulness by itself. With Kristof Van Tomme, they also deep dive into the fundamentals of…
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The final installment of the Complexity series ends this collection of interviews on a high note. In this episode, we dive deeper into the practical application of social practice theory, the optimization of transformative processes, and the value of maturity with the help of our guest, Chris McDermott (Lean Agile Coach & Principal Consultant at Co…
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In the first part of the finale of the Complexity series, hosts Kristof Van Tomme (CEO and co-founder at Pronovix) and Marc Burgauer (Principal Consultant and Co-founder at Contextualise) interview Lean Agile coach and Contextualise co-founder, Chris McDermott who explains how he helps leaders navigate uncertainty through honest conversations, how …
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In this time of ever changing demands, it is more important than ever to remain flexible and react swiftly to change. In this episode, John Doyle (CEO at Digital Polygon) and Henk Beld (Solutions Architect at Amazee.io) explain how composability can help you break down monoliths into smaller, interchangeable components that allow you to keep up wit…
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Innopay's Open Banking Monitor offers a valuable and unique insight into banking APIs on a global scale. In this episode, Jorgos Tsovilis (Senior Consultant) and Thorben Peter (Junior Consultant) explain the evaluation process behind the monitor and share their thoughts on current and emerging trends in the open banking space. Innopay Open Banking …
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We continue our talk with Dawn Ahukanna (Design Principal and Front-End Architect at IBM). She points out the importance of variability and sheds light on what makes an API successful. Dawn also makes an exciting analogy between REST and SOAP APIs and the VHS and Betamax cassette formats. In this conversation, we also deep dive into how one can def…
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In this episode, we discuss with Dawn Ahukanna (Design Principal and Front-End Architect at IBM) why it is essential to acknowledge the whole spectrum instead of the pieces and how it can help if one keeps in mind the end and works backwards. Dawn also mentions how one can make an effective change.
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We continue with our conversation with Jabe Bloom. In this second episode we talk about how organizational design is still stuck in organizational engineering, how to get beyond that, and how we have to rethink our understanding of roles. Jabe explains Alicia Juarrero’s term or neurological recursion using high-school cliques, how do complex system…
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We talk with Jabe Bloom about how building software in enterprise is a philosophical argument and how knowing some philosophy can help. What is a pharmakon, and what is the Goldilocks space of complexity. Technical debt as an example of how deterministic systems can have agency within a socio-technical system. The origin story of Jabe’s model of th…
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In the 2nd part of our conversation with Kenny Baas-Schwegler (Strategic software delivery consultant and Domain-Driven Design expert, Xebia) we discussed why most organizational changes don't work, and what are the four ways of Deep Democracy that can help move into a decision making. It’s always important to ask: “What do you need to go along wit…
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We had a conversation with Kenny Baas-Schwegler (from Xebia), who is a strategic software delivery consultant and software architect with a focus on socio-technical systems. With his guidance, we deep-dived into Domain-Driven Design (DDD) and Deep Democracy. How can fluidity and upfront communication help to create a shared language and understand …
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Continuing our conversation with Alicia Juarrero, we go deeper on enabling constraints, specifically catalysts and feedback loops, emergence, what this means for management and why in complexity you need to start with context. Our guest is Professor Alicia Juarrero, a leading complexity theory philosopher and academic, as well as the founder and pr…
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We talk about constraints, especially temporal and enabling constraints in complexity theory, how complex systems remember their past and what we can learn from boundaries in complex systems for APIs. Our guest is Professor Alicia Juarrero, a leading complexity theory philosopher and academic, as well as the founder and president of VectorAnalytica…
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In part 2 of our conversation with Matthew Reinbold, Digital Engagement Lead at Concentrix Catalyst API Practice group, we discuss how governance should drive change towards the desired behaviors, and why governance needs to have "power with" (not "power over") for sustainable change. It is a grave mistake to assume that all of digital transformati…
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We got into a long conversation with Matthew Reinbold, Digital Engagement Lead at Concentrix Catalyst API Practice group, about how to get the outcomes you want from a transformation effort. APIs enable change, but they need to be accompanied by governance that drives the desired behaviors. Emergent behavior is essential, but it also crashed the st…
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If you've ever wondered how APIs change organizations, our communities and our society, look no further, this is the podcast you've been searching for. How we transform organizations is a complex problem. We need to explain emergence, and create the conditions that makes it much more likely for certain things to happen. Thinking that you can just i…
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Michael Hibay is an API evangelist, architect and CTO at Vesti. He helps organizations to establish, evolve and mature their API strategies. What’s the difference between an API catalogue and an affordance catalogue? What are affordances and how do they define the usability of a system? Why are affordances similar to languages? The interview got sp…
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Rich Gall (@richggall) and Jennifer Riggins (@jkriggins) talk with the CEO of OpenUK Amanda Brock about the role of open technology in the UK's tech industry and wider economy. Amanda explains the work of Open UK and highlights some of the work the organisation does to promote open technology. She also discusses exactly why this work matters so muc…
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Rich Gall (@richggall) and Jennifer Riggins (@jkriggins) talk with digital anthropologist Caitlin McDonald about what it means to be a digital anthropologist and why it matters in helping us to understand the way we build and use technology today. Caitlin begins by talking through how her work intersects with questions of agency and digital literac…
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This is a gathering of API storytellers, exploring what is going on around us each day, using API technology to make sense of who we are. In this episode Aidan and Kin sit down with Z from Superface to talk about what is wrong with the way we have historically done APIs and how what we've been doing won't get us to the future we envision. Opening i…
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In this episode: What specialization has to do with the evolution of organizations and why is it essential to think about companies as part of complex (digital) ecosystems? Nick Veenhof is the CTO of Dropsolid, a Digital Experience company, offering a single platform driven by various Open Source technologies. Tune in and learn about: What’s the di…
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This is a gathering of API storytellers, exploring what is going on around us each day, using API technology to make sense of who we are. In this episode it is just Adian and me talking about the API lifecycle, breaking down how we and the world sees or doesn't see the API lifecycle around us. Opening image credit goes to Giulia Forsythe (@giuliafo…
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This is a gathering of API storytellers, exploring what is going on around us each day, using API technology to make sense of who we are. In this episode we sit down with Audrey Watters and talk about her book Teaching Machines, behaviorism, and how culture affects how we see technology. Opening image credit goes to Giulia Forsythe (@giuliaforsythe…
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In this episode: What does Coca Cola’s product and marketing philosophy have to do with APIs and how can investing in homegrown API management be a bad idea? In most organizations internal adoption and knowledge sharing is also crucial for success in addition to creating APIs. In this episode Raymond and Kristof discussed why internal advocacy and …
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Rich Gall (@richggall) and Jennifer Riggins (@jkriggins) talk with Sarah Drinkwater, the Director of Responsible Technology at Omidyar Networks to discuss how we can cultivate organisations and people that will enable a more equitable, responsible - and ultimately compassionate and exciting - technological future. We talk about the challenges the t…
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This is a gathering of API storytellers, exploring what is going on around us each day, using API technology to make sense of who we are. In this episode we sit down with Micha Mazaheri and talk about being an building side projects, and how API specification shape the space. Opening image credit goes to Giulia Forsythe (@giuliaforsythe).…
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Rich Gall (@richggall) and Jennifer Riggins (@jkriggins) talk to privacy advocate Michelle Wolfe (aka "Stella" on Twitter) about the challenges of security and privacy in today's increasingly sinister landscape of surveillance capitalism. Taking in key terms (including the monstrosity that is "cyber"), and looking closely at some of the limits and …
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Rich Gall (@richggall) and Jennifer Riggins (@jkriggins) talk to Lorinda Brandon and Mike Amundsen about APIs and the evolution of the tech industry in the last 30 years in a very special episode - the first to feature two guests. We discussed issues of equality in the industry, in particular how 'women in tech' has emerged only in recent years - L…
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In this episode: When you are reaching out to developers, traditional marketing solutions like leadgen forms or ppc ads won’t work on their own. What is the right approach then? How to convince developers to use your products or services? In this episode Adam DuVander (principal consultant at Every Developer) and Kristof Van Tomme (CEO at Pronovix)…
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Jennifer Riggins (@jkriggins) and Rich Gall (@richggall) are joined by Saron Yitbarek, Founder and CEO of audio learning platform Disco and co-host of the brilliant Command Line Heroes podcast, to discuss the virtues of audio learning in age of excessive screen time and the importance of highlighting the stories of the people that have shaped the t…
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Rich Gall (@richggall) and Jennifer Riggins (@jkriggins) talk to Yin Mei, Director of Strategy and Curriculum Design at Per Scholas about her career and background in psychology in this special episode that went out live on Chubhouse. In the conversation Yin talks about her journey into the field, and how she developed an interest in technology fro…
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Rich Gall (@richggall) and Jennifer Riggins (@jkriggins) talk with the "sickeningly entertaining" coding drag queen Anna Lytical about drag, software development, and the LGBTQ+ community in tech. Anna discusses how they found their way into the tech industry and explains how they gradually discovered a way of bringing their love of software engine…
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In this episode Mark and Kristof did a retrospective discussion on the past episodes and Mark said farewell to the listeners as he will no longer co-host the podcast. API resilience started in 2020 June to explore how companies can become more resilient and create business value by investing in their API programs, even in such unprecedented times a…
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Jennifer Riggins (@jkriggins) and Rich Gall (@richggall) talk with Jessica Rose, a DevRel at CodeSee and advocate for improving access to technical education and the tech industry, about burnout, impostor syndrome and the challenges of learning the skills needed to navigate a fast-paced and occasionally hostile industry. Jessica talks about her rol…
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This is a gathering of API storytellers, exploring what is going on around us each day, using API technology to make sense of who we are. In this episode we explore the conversation that we should be having across our API infrastructure with Steve Peak of Story.ai. Opening image credit goes to Giulia Forsythe (@giuliaforsythe).…
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Rich Gall (@richggall) and Jennifer Riggins (@jkriggins) talk to author, software architect, and meme wrangler at ThoughtWorks about the importance of storytelling, language and communication in his worker as both a consultant and an educator. Neal discusses his career in tech publishing, with 8 books already under his belt (the most recent being T…
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This is a gathering of API storytellers, exploring what is going on around us each day, using API technology to make sense of who we are. This episode we learn about armatures from Bill Doerrfeld, Editor in Chief at Nordic APIs, and how they provide the storytelling backbone for the movie industry, and discuss with Mike, Aidan, and Kin about how th…
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SAS is a leading business analytics software company, and also the largest independent vendor in the business intelligence market. In this episode Jeannie Hawrysz (Lead API Architect and Manager of API and Developer Program Enablement) talked about their team efforts to set new standards for their API program during the time of pandemia. She explai…
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