Touch: Conversations of Spirit and Body Touch Podcast is an intimate conversation that takes place at the intersection of the spirit and body. Hosts Nate and Ryan invite artists, authors, ethicists, pastors, healers, and pop stars to explore our origins and journeys toward more authentic lives. Nate and Ryan became best friends in college when Nate left for Los Angeles to pursue a career in film and attend UC. Ryan continued on to seminary earning masters and doctoral degrees. Nate and Ryan ...
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Men, Masculinity and Purity @ Wildgoose with Ryan and Nate 2022
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Volume Up! Nate and Ryan get real about Men, Masculinity, and Purity @Wildgoose Festival. While purity culture has had a disproportionately negative impact on women, men have also been harmed. Join us as we explore how transactional faith led to transactional intimacy and we need to do to fix it.By Ryan Clark and Nate Novero
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Trans Talk with Guests Tristan Chipman And Ryan Patrick
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Trans Talk with Guests Tristan Chipman And Ryan Patrick by Ryan Clark and Nate NoveroBy Ryan Clark and Nate Novero
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Touch 4.8 Charna Cassell: Men, Trauma and Dysregulated Intimacy
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During Touch 4.8 Charna Cassell: Men, Trauma and Dysregulated Intimacy, Ryan Clark and Nathan Novero interview LMFT, and a Trauma-Trained Psychotherapist and Sexuality Coach, Charna Cassell who helps people heal and find pleasure in their bodies. For over two decades, first, as a sex educator and sex toy clerk at Good Vibrations located in San Fran…
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Touch 4.7 Our Pain Made Flesh With Eric Minton
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Touch 4.7 Our Pain Made Flesh is a compelling conversation with a psychotherapist and ordained minister, Eric Minton, about his book "It's Not You, It's Everything: What our Pain Reveals about the Anxious Pursuit of the Good Life." We discuss how children and youth are expressing their anxieties about living in our frenetic and social media saturat…
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Touch 4.6 Sexy Caramel Bown in A White Town
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Reflecting on 4.5 with Dr. Monique Moultrie, Ryan interviews Nathan on what it was like to grow up brown in a white town. From skipping dances to becoming a filmmaker, Nathan talks about being treated as white - most of the time.By Ryan Clark and Nate Novero
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Touch 4.5 Dr. Monique Moultrie: The Black and White of Purity
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This mini-audio documentary is produced by Nathan Novero and is an interview with co-host Ryan Clark and Dr. Monique Moultrie who is the Associate Professor of Africana Studies, Religious Studies at Georgia State University. She is also the author of "Passionate and Pious: Religious Media and Black Women’s Sexuality". We are deeply grateful for her…
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Touch 4.4 When We Get Angery by Ryan Clark and Nate NoveroBy Ryan Clark and Nate Novero
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Touch 4.3 Confessions of Self Love And The Apostle Paul
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Ryan and Nathan talk about confronting your own body and learning to accept it. They discuss Paul and original sin and the deep need to be accepted.By Ryan Clark and Nate Novero
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Touch 4.2 Great Fun with Tina Shermer Sellers
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Ryan Clark and Nathan Novero speak with Dr. Tina Shermer-Sellers about sex education with kids and adults. Her new book Shameless Parenting helps parents deal with their own shame to pave the way for great family conversations on intimacy. A shoutout to Max Searle and Fed Savage for Season 1, Episode 3 of The Wonder Years (2021).…
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New Beginnings: Touch Podcast Season 4 Episode 1
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Nathan Novero and Ryan Clark are back with Season 4 of Touch Podcast. They talk about Purity, faith, men's groups, movie making, and life during the pandemic.By Ryan Clark and Nate Novero
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The Private Thoughts of Young Sex with Jennifer Knapp Ryan Clark And Nathan Novero GR
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Touch Podcast Season Three, Live from Wild Goose Festival with Jennifer Knapp
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Touch Podcast Season 3 Episode 1 starts at the Wild Goose Festival live before an outdoor audience with Ryan Clark, Nathan Novero, and Jennnifer Knapp. These three banter over marriage, sexual exploration, and Touch's upcoming Documentary on Purity. Support Touch Podcast now and get secret fall content when you subscribe. Support Touch Podcast now …
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Touch Podcast : Inside And Outside The Boundaries Of Your Sexual Playground
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Touch Podcast Season 2 Episode 24 Inside And Outside The Boundaries Of Your Sexual Playground with Ryan Clark, Nathan Novero, and Shannon Ethridge. Jumping back in from last week, your co-hosts talk about what it means to test the boundaries of your commitment to your partner and possibilities for acting out in holy ways on your fantasies.…
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Touch Podcast Grab Bag of Goodies Juicy Listener Mail (part 1 of 2)
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Touch Podcast Season 2, Episode 23 Grab Bag of Goodies Juicy Listener Mail (part 1 of 2) goes some crazy places with Christian Polyamory, Swinging and Nude clubs (oh my!) Ryan Clark, Nate Novero, and Shannon Ethridge go into the edgier depths of listener mail and have a super fun time dancing around the edges of our own comfort zones.…
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Touch Podcast: Fantasy with Ryan, Nate And Shannon
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On Touch Podcast Season 2 Episode 22 Ryan, Nate, and Shannon talk about Fantasy! Our secret thoughts that turn us on are important pieces of information. Sex in public? Kidnapped by an Amazon woman? What do your fantasies mean? Some of us look to fantasy as hope for sexual fulfillment. Others look at how fantasy informs our understanding of our pas…
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Touch Podcast: Authentically Sexual with Ryan, Nate And Shannon
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Touch Podcast Season 2, Episode 21: Authentically Sexual with co-hosts Ryan Clark, Nate Novero and Shannon Ethridge. Dialog with people who have different views than you can be a challenge but it’s worth it! The team addresses listener critiques and they talk about creating safe places for dialog in relationships and couples. How do we trust so tha…
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Touch Podcast: Sex Search Engine Results (part 2 of 2)with Ryan, Nate And Shannon
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Season 2, Episode 20: Sex Search Engine Results with Ryan, Nate, and Shannon. Does your porn search engine terms mean something? Yes! Shanon gives an important interpretation of our porn consumption. Nate discovers how his use of porn mirrored the dysfunction in his marriage relationship (part 2 of 2).Touch Podcast is produced by Ryan Clark and is …
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Touch Podcast: Porn and Faith with Ryan, Nate and Shannon
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On Touch Podcast Season 2, Episode 19, Ryan, Nate and Shannon dive into the difficult topic of Christianity and Pornography. Join these three distinct perspectives on the cons and pros of erotic content and what it means for our faith and relationships. (part 1 of 2).By Ryan Clark and Nate Novero
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Touch Podcast: Love Casts Out Fear with Ryan, Nate and Shannon
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Touch Podcast Season 2, episode 18 is co-hosted and produced by Ryan Clark along with Nathan Novero and Shannon Ethridge. This trio continues their riveting conversation about toxic masculinity and some of our religious traditions that have held us back from offering and receiving love. What can learn about God’s gifts when we strip away some of th…
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Touch Podcast: Recovering Masculinity with Thomas Jaggers
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Touch Podcast Season 2, episode 16 is co-hosted and produced by Ryan Clark along with Nathan Novero and Shannon Ethridge. How can we recover masculinity? Co-host Nate Novero speaks with mediator and facilitator, Thomas Jaggers who is the co-founder of True Masculine (truemasculine.org). He is a practitioner of spiritualized martial arts, MogaDao Go…
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Touch Podcast: Dear Dad, Tell Me about Sex with Mom
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Season 2 Episode 16Touch Podcast is co-hosted and produced by Ryan Clark along with Nathan Novero and Shannon Ethridge. On Season 2, Episode 15, Ryan speaks with his father and sister about how his parents met, their sex life and Ryan’s dad evolving beliefs about sex and dating. Shannon and Nate join the conversation and we discuss the uneven expec…
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Touch Podcast Season 2 Episode 15 Talking To Kids About Sex with Ryan, Nate And Shannon
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Touch Podcast is co-hosted and produced by Ryan Clark along with Nathan Novero and Shannon Ethridge. Today’s episode continues the conversation around children and sexuality. From honest conversations with our children about where babies come from to masturbation, this conversation puts a whole lot on the table.…
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Touch Podcast Season 2 Episode 14 Joy Pleasure And Responsibility With LeAnn Gardner
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Touch Podcast is co-hosted and produced by Ryan Clark along with Nathan Novero and Shannon Ethridge. What do you do when you sense your child is being manipulated by a boyfriend or girlfriend? How do we help our kids through breakups? Ryan speaks with LeAnn Gardner about the Harvard Study, “Making Caring Common and how a parent can create an enviro…
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Touch Podcast Season 2 Episode 13 Special Valentine’s, 1 - Year Anniversary Edition
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Touch Podcast is co-hosted and produced by Ryan Clark along with Nathan Novero and Shannon Ethridge. The ABC’s of Love, Intimacy, Relationships and Dating with special guest Dr. Charlie Myers In this episode you will hear over 100 activity ideas for you and your mate. Shannon has a very special announcement and Nathan invents some new words.Be sure…
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Touch Podcast Season 2 Episode 12: More Than Intercourse, a Discussion with LeAnn Gardner
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Touch Podcast is co-hosted and produced by Ryan Clark along with Nathan Novero and Shannon Ethridge. How do we talk about our kids about intimacy, breaking up, gaslighting, controlling, consent, mutuality, and bystander intervention? We usually talk to kids about genitals and intercourse. LeAnn Gardner advocates for wrap around sex education that g…
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Touch Podcast Season 2 Episode 11: Sex Advice, 15-51 Year-Olds (2 of 2)
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Touch Podcast is hosted by Ryan Clark, Nate Novero and Shannon Ethridge. Sex Advice: On this episode, did we rob a generation of their ability to trust themselves sexually? Will the California movement of women coming together to meditate on their genitals catch on in other places in the U.S.? We’ll talk about Giving sexually and contextually appro…
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Touch Podcast Season 2 Episode 10: Crushing Flowers with Rev. Angie McCarty
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Methodist pastor Rev. Angie McCarty speaks with longtime friend Shannon Ethridge about their shared history in teaching “Biblical” marriage and abstinence-only sex education to teens. Instead, what about a biblical view of covenant? What will happen when United Methodists vote next month on same-sex marriage? In this episode, we also challenge the …
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Touch Podcast: Shameless Sex (2 of 2) with Bromleigh McCleneghan
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Touch Podcast Season 2 Episode 9: Shameless Sex (part 2 of 2) with Bromleigh McCleneghanTouch Podcast is co-hosted and produced by Ryan Clark along with Nathan Novero and Shannon Ethridge. In this episode, we continue our interview with Bromleigh McCleneghan about her book Good Christian Sex. In part 2, we discuss what makes sex sacred and ethicall…
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Touch Season: Good Christian Sex with Bromleigh McCleneghan
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Touch Season 2 Episode 8: Good Christian Sex with Bromleigh McCleneghanTouch Podcast is co-hosted and produced by Ryan Clark along with Nathan Novero and Shannon Ethridge. Is Chastity the only option? How difficult is it for a woman to publish a book on sex when she’s not ashamed of the actual sex? In this episode, we speak with Bromleigh McClenegh…
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Touch Podcast: Holy Eroticism with Marvin Ellison
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Touch Podcast Season 2 Episode 7: Holy Eroticism with Marvin EllisonAre you planning on having sex in 2019? Then you must join co-hosts Ryan Clark, Nathan Novero and Shannon Ethridge in another conversation at the Just Sex Conference. This time with Dr. Marvin Ellison. What does it mean to live a principled life? Dr. Marvin Ellison speaks to the fa…
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Touch Podcast: The Vulnerable Masculine (part 2 Of 2)
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Touch Conversations Season 2 Episode 6: The Vulnerable Masculine (part 2 Of 2)Touch Podcast is produced and co-hosted by Ryan Clark along with co-hosts Nate Novero and Shannon Ethridge. In continuing our conversation about homosexuality and the church, Co-host Nate Novero models beautiful vulnerability when he tells the whole story of his sexual ex…
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Touch Podcast: Monumental Shifts (part 1 of 2)
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Touch Conversations of Spirit and Body S2 E5: Monumental Shifts (1 of 2). How do you start a conversation about Desire, Gay Sex, and God? Ryan Clark, Nate Novero and Shannon Ethridge give it a shot as they reflect on the Ethics of Sex with David Gushee episode (4). Nathan and Shannon have a heart to heart about God and homosexuality. Shannon expres…
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Touch Podcast: Ethics of Sex with Dr. David Gushee
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Touch Conversations of Spirit and Body S2 E4: Ethics of Sex with David GusheeTouch Podcast Season 2 is hosted by Ryan Clark, Nate Novero, and Shannon Ethridge. This episode is a reboot from season 1 where Ryan speaks with Dr. David Gushee about the Ethics of Sex. They also venture into gay and lesbian marriage and how to ethically reconsider belief…
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Touch Podcast: Ignorance is Not Bliss with Dr. Bill Stayton @ Just Sex
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Touch Conversations of Spirit And Body Season 2 Episode 3 with Dr. Bill Stayton At Just SexIgnorance Is Not BlissTouch Podcast is hosted by Ryan Clark, Nathan Novero and is joined in season 2 by Shannon Ethridge. In this episode, Nate and Shannon interview Dr. Bill Stayton at the Just Sex Conference sponsored by the Alliance of Baptists. Listeners …
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Touch Conversations of Spirit and Body Season 2 Episode 2 With LINDA KAY KLEINTouch Podcast is hosted by Ryan Clark, Nathan Novero and is joined in season 2 by Shannon Ethridge. In this episode, Ryan speaks with author Linda KayKlein about her book PURE: Inside the Evangelical Movement that Shamed a Generation of Young Women and How I Broke Free. R…
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Touch Podcast: New Beginnings, Desire and Shannon Ethridge
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Touch Conversations of Spirit and Body: Season 2 Episode 1 - DesireTouch Podcast is hosted by Ryan Clark, Nathan Novero and is joined in season 2 by Shannon Ethridge. This episode looks at our major theme, "Desire" this season and all the topics we plan to cover including Relationships, sex toys, fantasy, arousal, lust, sexual addiction, porn, agin…
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Touch Podcast Episode 19: The Ethics of Sex with Dr. David Gushee
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The Ethics of Sex with A Little Gay Marriage and Some Christian Fundamentalism with Dr. David GusheeTouch Podcast Season 1 is hosted by Ryan Clark and Nate Novero. In this episode Ryan speaks with Dr. David Gushee about the Ethics of Sex. They also venture into gay and lesbian marriage and how to ethically reconsider beliefs from our fundamentalist…
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Touch Podcast Episode 1 Reboot With Ryan Clark, Nate Novero and Jennifer Knapp
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Did your church commercialize virginity? This episode is a reboot of Touch Episode 1: Selling Purity where hosts Ryan Clark and Nate Novero speak with former Christian pop-star Jennifer Knapp about a previously untold experience where she was approached to be to poster-girl for True Love Waits, a popular Southern Baptist Teen Abstinence program.…
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Touch Podcast Episode 17: Yes, He Really Just Said That with Dr. Bill Stayton
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Episode 17 of Touch Podcast is hosted by Ryan Clark and Nate Novero and they speak with sexologist and psychologist Dr. Bill Stayton about eroticism, masturbation, and the barriers to desire.Did Jesus have a sex life? How do we combat our own secretiveness? We speak with Dr. Stayton about how our own sexual shame keeps us from communicating and lea…
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Touch Podcast Episode 16: Dear God, Make Me a Real Boy with Lianne Simon and Dr. Megan DeFranza
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Touch Podcast Episode 16: Dear God, Make Me a Real Boy with Lianne Simon and Dr. Megan DeFranza Podcast is hosted by Ryan Clark and Nate Novero and on this episode, they speak to their guests Lianne Simon and Dr. Megan DeFranza genitals and the Bible. Does size matter? It depends on what meaning we’ve ascribed to them. We love our listeners! Did yo…
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Touch Podcast Episode 15: Intersex and the Bible with Dr. Megan DeFranza
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Touch Conversations of Spirit and Body is hosted by Ryan Clark and Nate Novero. Today we speak with Dr. Megan DeFranza on the topic of Intersex and the Bible.How do we think theologically about Jesus’ words in Matthew 19:12, “For there are eunuchs who were born that way?” Dr. Megan DeFranza will unpack a reality few Christians are willing to acknow…
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Touch Podcast Episode 14: Kissing Dating Hello with Joshua Harris And Jessica Van Der WynGaard
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Touch Podcast is hosted by Ryan Clark and Nathan Novero. Episode 14 continues the conversation with best-selling author Josh Harris and documentary film-maker Jessica Van Der Wyngaard. Ultimately, Josh wanted to understand how the ideas of his book had affected people and this starts with Josh listening and the leadership of strong single women Jes…
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Touch Podcast Episode 13: Kissing Something Goodbye with Joshua Harris And Jessica Van Der WynGaard
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Touch Podcast Episode 13 is hosted by Ryan Clark and Nathan Novero. We’ll be “Kissing Something Goodbye” with Joshua Harris And Jesica Van Der WynGaard in this two-part series where we talk about the upcoming documentary titled, “I Survived I Kissed Dating Goodbye” that chronicles the journey of best-selling Christian author Josh Harris and his bre…
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Touch Podcast Episode 12: Unintended Consequences with Carla Ewert
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Touch Podcast is hosted by Ryan Clark and Nathan Novero. Episode 12 is sponsored by Next Good Consulting and features writer, podcaster and co-creator of She is Called, Carla Ewert. In this episode, Ryan speaks Carla Ewert about growing up a preacher’s kid and what that meant for purity, patriarchy, complementarianism and how purity culture interac…
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Touch Podcast Episode 11: Holy Women with Dr. Angela Yarber
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Touch Episode 11 is hosted by Ryan Clark and Nathan Novero. On this show Ryan speaks with Dr. Angela Yarber of the Holy Women Icons Project about art, feminist theology, queering the Bible and the mis-sexualization of Salome and a possible lesbian encounter in Song of Songs. Dr Yarber lives in Hawaii and is is a preacher, an activist, author, dance…
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Touch Podcast Episode 10 Lighting Fires Of Holy Horniness with Shannon Ethridge with bonus
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Episode 10: Lighting Fires Of Holy Horniness features co-hosts Ryan Clark and Nate Novero and is part-two of episode 9 with guest Shannon Ethridge an evangelical women’s sexuality leader. This episode explores the impact of divorce on Christians and the way some find release from sexual shame and anxiety created when sexuality is conflated as a sal…
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Touch Podcast Episode 9: Reconsidering Sex with Shannon Ethridge
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On Touch Podcast Episode 9, hosts Ryan Clark and Nate Novero speak with bestselling author and women's sexuality expert Shannon Ethridge. This first of two episodes jumps in with Shannon's story: a 20 year-old mortician who then ends up leading teen purity Bible studies becomes an author of 22 books 25 years later. From embalming to masturbation, n…
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Touch Podcast Episode 8: Virginity and Porn with Tina Schermer-Sellers and Lauren Tillman
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Sponsored by Next Good Consulting, Episode 8 explores the topic visual erotica (porn) and virginity. Before we finish up our conversation with Dr. Tin Shermer-Sellers from episode 7, we listen to one of the stories we recorded back in the fall in Nashville. Lauren, a divinity school student at Vanderbilt, talks about how she viewed sex and virginit…
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Touch Podcast Episode 7: The Beginning and End of Shame with Tina Schermer-Sellers.
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Joins hosts Ryan Clark and Nate Novero as they did into the sources of our sexual shame with Dr. Tina Schermer-Sellers, Therapist, sexologist, author, and professor in the School of Psychology, Family and Community graduate program at Seattle Pacific University. Shame thrives in silence. What is the difference between guilt and shame? We have to de…
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Touch Podcast Episode 6: Sex, Shame, and the Conservative Church with Tina Schermer-Sellers
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Joins hosts Ryan Clark and Nate Novero as they discuss the book Sex, Shame and the Conservative Church. Therapist, sexologist, and author, Dr. Tina Schermer-Sellers, didn’t set out to take on the church’s teaching on sex, but when she continued to encounter students who were traumatized by deep sexual shame without having been physically sexually a…
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