Welcome to the Messy Social Work podcast. The hosts are Richard Devine and Tim Fisher. Check out our website here: https://www.relationalactivism.com/
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Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast is a podcast by Life Management Science Labs. In the show, we talk about self-compassion, therapy techniques, and all the fun things in between. Each topic addresses an element from the comprehensive framework of several domains and elements created by the Center for Personal Resilience Science.
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The Awake In Relationship podcast explores the art of intimacy and community in the digital age. Build your social fitness habit with inspiration from long form interviews with thought leaders on the frontiers of mindfulness, conscious relationships, community building, deep work and social impact leadership. Fresh episodes drop twice a month on all major platforms.
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Rich and Tim introduce 'Messy Social Work' and discuss Rich's blog on reasons for not being a manager
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40:02In this episode of the newly named podcast, Rich and Tim discuss Rich's blog; 15 Years in Social Work – And 4 Reasons I am Still Not a Manager. Rich qualified as a social worker 15 years ago and has never held a management role. This has been a deliberate choice. He has remained working directly with children and families. There are four key reason…
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Dr. Karen Graaff: Riding Waves of Social Change | Bouncing Back #77
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56:30Societal evolution is ever-changing and it can be trying to keep up with the times. So, this week on Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Marie Stella is joined by women and gender studies researcher Dr. Karen Graaff to learn more about how riding the waves of social change can contribute to our personal resilience …
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Professor Anna Gupta (Royal Holloway, University of London) on Poverty and intersectionality
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51:24In this episode, we interview Professor Anna Gupta about her early experiences as a social worker, her transition into academia, and her important work on poverty and intersectionality in the context of child protection. We explore: - The social model - intersectionality - The role of poverty in child abuse and neglect - The capabilities approach H…
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Micaela Buenemann: Building Resilience After a Toxic Relationship | Bouncing Back #76
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1:17:41Toxic relationships can leave lasting emotional scars, making it challenging to rebuild confidence and trust. But resilience is possible, and healing is within reach. This week on Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Sabrina Oktavelia is joined by Micaela Buenemann to explore the journey of rebuilding life and self-…
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Rich and Tim on how to find meaning in life
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44:17In this episode of the Relational Activism in Social Work podcast, asides Tim's nice hair and the clay.... Tim Fisher FRSA and Richard Devine discuss the powerful insights from James Hollis' Finding Meaning in the Second Half of Life. They explore the challenges of midlife, from the loss of purpose in previously fulfilling careers to the struggle b…
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Jamie Spencer (London Borough of Camden) on Data, Community and Connection
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42:37In this episode, we interview Jamie Spencer, who holds the position of 'Head of Insight, Quality, Financial Services, and Digital for Camden Adult Social Care'. However, don't let that job title deter you from listening, as Jamie has had a fascinating journey through social care from support worker to senior leader and has been at the forefront of …
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Professor Andrew Turnell (Australia) on Safety and belonging in child protection
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1:13:23In this episode, we speak to Professor Andrew Turnell, co-creator of Signs of Safety. In January 2023, he received the Member of the Order of Australia award for his sustained and innovative contributions to child protection social work. Andrew is internationally renowned for his ground-breaking work in developing safety-organized, solution-focused…
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Mark Canada, Ph.D. : Resilient Reflections — Thriving in The New Year | Bouncing Back #75
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1:02:03As a new year begins, many of us reflect on past experiences and set intentions for personal growth. But how can we turn reflection into a powerful tool for resilience? This week on Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Sabrina Oktavelia is joined by Mark Canada, Ph.D., to explore how self-reflection can help us thri…
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Jo Sutton (ISW and Director of Purple Elephant in the Room) on Assessment and how to change the system
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52:35Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/…
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Rich shares his learning from a 5 day silent meditation retreat (Bonus episode)
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25:41Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/…
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Dr. Zhongtian Li: Digital Safety — Your Guide to Staying Secure | Bouncing Back #74
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59:35As we navigate an increasingly digital world, staying safe online has never been more important. Scams, phishing attacks, and ransomware are becoming more sophisticated, putting individuals at risk of losing personal data, money, and even digital identities. So this week on Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Sabri…
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Rich, Tim and Parent Activist Kar-Man discuss how to heal from childhood trauma
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44:39Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/…
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Rich and Tim discuss Child Protection vs. Family Support
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52:17Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/…
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Martin Hampton (Adult social worker, Camden) on how to see the person not the problem
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56:46Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/…
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Lora Bishop: From Burnout to Balance — Redefining Work-Related Stress | Bouncing Back #73
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42:42Feeling overwhelmed at work? You’re not alone! This week on Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Marie Stella consults industrial and organizational psychologist Lora Bishop on the scientifically proven ways to manage stress. As a neurodivergent queer person with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), Lora Bishop br…
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Rich and Tim on relationships in social work and 'Spongy boundaries'
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49:34Links: Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.…
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Mercy Muendo, Advocate: Smart Tips for Online Safety | Bouncing Back #72
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1:04:59As the world evolves, we are heading into a digital interconnected world that even includes our doorbells, locks and even refrigerators connected to the web. So this week on Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Sabrina Oktavelia is joined by CyberSpace and International Trade Law Advocate and Lecturer, Mercy Muendo,…
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Rich and Tim answer, 'What is Relational Activism'
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39:50Links: Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.…
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Lee Weston, Care experienced and prison reform advocate on Care, Prison and Transformation
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50:08Opening Discussion: Teaching & Activism Conversation with Lee: Care Experience, Prison, and Activism Lee’s Background: Grew up in care, moving through 28+ placements. Entered the justice system at 17, receiving a 5-year sentence Lee talks about: The Impact of the Fellowship & Retreat Reflects on the Justice System & Care Experience Describes the cy…
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Charlotte Spires (Assessment social worker from BANES) on how to navigate conflict in social work
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45:24In this episode of the Relation Activism in Social Work podcast, hosts Tim Fisher and Rich Devine engage in a lively discussion that covers a range of topics from personal anecdotes about daily life to reflections on their university experiences and the challenges faced in direct work with children in social work. They also touch on upcoming profes…
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Yvette Lau: Prosocial Behavior in the Digital Age | Bouncing Back #71
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1:01:56Digital platforms have become nearly synonymous with cyberbullying, hate speech, and a slew of other negative behaviors. So, this week on Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Marie Stella Quek is joined by counsellor Yvette Lau to explore the importance of promoting more prosocial behaviors online. Certified in Sing…
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Ian Thomas, Tedx Speaker, Care Experienced Social Worker on addiction
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53:33This episode explores the profound complexities of addiction, trauma, and recovery, featuring the deeply personal and inspiring journey of guest Ian Thomas, a social worker and speaker with lived experience of addiction and healing. In this conversation, we cover: Understanding Addiction and Trauma Drawing from Gabor Maté’s In the Realm of Hungry G…
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Vicki Shevlin from Social Work Sorted on Supporting newly qualified social workers
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54:01In this episode, Tim Fisher and Rich Devine kick off 2025 with reflections on personal and professional goals, recent events, and an inspiring conversation with guest Vicki Shevlin, creator of Social Work Sorted. The discussion explores social work practice, personal growth, and the profession’s challenges. Key Highlights: 1. Personal Reflections a…
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Ali Mills: Easing the Pain of Grief | Bouncing Back #70
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47:52Grief can feel insurmountable, but what if it also held the seeds for resilience? In this episode of Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Marie Stella Quek dives into this delicate topic with grief specialist Ali Mills. Together, they explore how personal resilience can be nurtured through the pain of loss. Ali Mill…
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Dr. Neryl East: Break Miscommunication Barriers — Master Active Listening | Bouncing Back #69
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59:37Welcome to another episode of Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, hosted by Joahanna Wickramaratne. In this episode, we dive into the art of listening and how it can help us overcome miscommunication through active engagement. If you've ever struggled with misunderstandings in your personal or professional life, this ep…
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Rich and Tim on the courage to be disliked
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1:00:44Links: Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.…
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Dr. Lin Hong-hui: Reclaiming Attachment Security After Traumatic Relationships | Bouncing Back #68
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46:51In this episode of Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, Joahanna Wickramaratne welcomes Dr. Lin Hong-hui to dive deep into the science of attachment. If you've ever wondered how traumatic relationships shape attachment styles or how to reclaim security in your connections, this episode offers powerful insights into the p…
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Becca Carr Hopkins (ISW and attachment expert) on attachment and the use of self in social work
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1:01:22In this episode, Tim Fisher and Rich Devine are joined by Becca Carr-Hopkins for a powerful conversation about use of self, attachment theory, and the transformative power of relationships in social work practice. Becca shares her journey into social work, insights on adapting to challenging environments, and how understanding attachment can unlock…
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Rich and Tim on how to create organisational and systemic change in social work
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59:57Links: Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.…
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Dr. Sunita Rai: A Path to Healing: Transforming Guilt into Growth | Bouncing Back #67
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1:00:22In this compelling episode of Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Joahanna Wickramaratne dives into the often-misunderstood emotion of guilt. With the guidance of an expert who has spent nearly two decades in the field, listeners will gain valuable insights on how to turn guilt into a tool for personal growth and h…
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Rich, Tim and Lee Crouch (parent with lived experience) on how to assess a parents capacity to change
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1:06:33The podcast focuses on two main themes: assessing capacity to change in social work and a parent’s personal journey through the child protection system. Part 1: Assessing Capacity to Change Rich Devine shares insights from his 14 years in social work, focusing on the challenges of evaluating a parent’s capacity to change within child protection con…
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Rich and Tim on the why, what and how of Family Group Conferences
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53:10Tim's article: https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10871/138533/bernheim-et-al-2024-the-power-and-potential-of-space-and-place-in-family-group-conferencing-reimagining-the-role-of-the.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y We hope you enjoyed this episode, please do contact us and share your reflections. If you have any questions or topics you…
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Dr. Gabrielle Wilcox: The Relationship Between Academic Success & Mental Health | Bouncing Back #66
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45:49Welcome to another episode of Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, where your host, Joahanna Wickramaratne, explores the link between academic success and mental health. In today’s fast-paced world, where academic pressures are at an all-time high, understanding this relationship is more important than ever. Today’s gues…
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Renata (Newly Qualified Social Work in Child Protection, East Sussex) on small acts that make a big difference as a social worker
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49:15Tim Fisher and Rich Devine kick off with reflections on culture and connection, inspired by recent experiences, including Rich’s first trip to the theatre to watch Les Misérables. They discuss the profound impact of stories and how creative expressions like theatre offer fresh perspectives on justice, empathy, and the challenges of human connection…
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Rich and Tim on ideas for social workers who feel ‘stuck’ or overwhelmed
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48:39In this week’s episode of the Relational Activism and Social Work Podcast, Tim Fisher and Rich Devine dive into strategies for social workers when feeling “stuck” in cases, especially in longstanding family dynamics where change can be elusive. Rich introduces a framework for recognizing situational and psychological denial in families, exploring t…
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Dr. Reza Nejad: The Intersection of Eating Disorders and Body Image | Bouncing Back #65
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39:24Welcome to another episode of Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, hosted by Joahanna Wickramaratne. Today’s discussion takes us to the complex and often misunderstood intersection of eating disorders and body image. Prepare to uncover the hidden connections between these two critical issues and explore ways to foster a …
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Care Experienced Activist, Terri-Anne Hamer on growing up in care, shame and healing
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48:40In this episode of Relational Activism in Social Work, hosts Tim Fisher and Rich Devine are joined by Terri-Anne Hamer, a care-experienced activist, who shares her powerful journey of overcoming intergenerational challenges and finding her voice within the care community. Terri-Anne reflects on her unique path, discussing her experiences as a third…
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Rich and Tim on top tips for direct Work with children and insights from Maya Angelou
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44:46In this episode, Rich kicks things off by admitting his secret fuel: a double-double coffee (that's double strength, double shot!)—the only thing that kept him going through late nights in child protection. He then dives into his approach to direct work with children, sharing insights that go beyond caffeine-fuelled energy. We’re also treated to a …
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Assoc. Prof. Caroline Gurvich: How Hormones Shape Women's Mental Health | Bouncing Back #64
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52:12Welcome to Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, where we delve into the science of thriving through adversity. In this episode, host Joahanna Wickramaratne explores the complex intersection of hormones and mental health with the brilliant Assoc. Prof. Caroline Gurvich. Get ready to uncover the secrets to unlocking women'…
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Rich and Tim on how to write analysis in assessments
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54:38In this episode, Rich and Tim explore the practicalities of analysis. Rich draws on his wealth of experiences and deep dives into analysis. Tim showcases his podcasting skills with an expertly timed musical interlude, which allows Tim and Rich to transition smoothly to talk about the Relational Activism Manifesto. Finally, we say goodbye before con…
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Toni Mayo (Team Manager of Family Placement Team, BANES) on how to support Kinship Carers; What social workers need to know
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50:05In this episode we speak with Team Manager of a Family Placement Team, Toni Mayo. She talked about: - Different types of kindship care arrangements - How LA's can improve their support for Kinship Carers - How Social workers can support Kinship Carers Tim shares his experience of attending the Kempe Conference, and learning about the Family Finding…
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Dr. Justin Coulson: Purposeful Parenthood — Nurturing Resilient Families | Bouncing Backs #63
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1:18:34Welcome to Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, where we uncover the secrets to thriving through life's toughest challenges. In this episode, your host Joahanna Wickramaratne dives into the world of Purposeful Parenthood with the insightful Dr. Justin Coulson. Get ready to discover how to nurture resilient families in a …
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Parent and Relational Activist, Kar-Man shares her lived experience of social work involvement
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1:03:58In this episode, we speak to the brilliant and wonderful, Kar-Man. She generously and articulately shares her story and experience of social workers engaging with her. We talk about Kinship Care Week (07th -014th October), referencing the following: https://kinship.org.uk/get-involved/kinship-care-week/ https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ch…
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Rich and Tim on storytelling in social work and parental engagement
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44:15This week Tim Fisher and Rich Devine explore the role of story in social work and how we define parental engagement.By Richard
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Jana Dawson: Navigating Change with Strength-Based Approach | Bouncing Back #62
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59:16Welcome to another episode of Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast with your host, Joahanna Wickramaratne. Today, we dive into the fascinating world of navigating change using strengths-based approaches. Joining us today is Jana Dawson, a Wellbeing Consultant and head of the Positive Psychology Department at the School of…
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Prof. Roslyn Russell: Decoding Financial Wellbeing | Bouncing Back #61
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55:38Welcome to another episode of Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast! In this episode, our host, Joahanna Wickramaratne, dives deep into the world of financial wellbeing. Get ready to uncover the secrets of building financial resilience with our esteemed guest, Professor Roslyn Russell. This conversation promises to equip y…
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Prof. Aaron Gilbert: Optimizing Debt or Reducing Its Burden | Bouncing Back #60
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59:06In this episode of Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Joahanna Wickramaratne dives deep into the complex world of debt management and financial resilience. This week's guest, Professor Aaron Gilbert, brings a wealth of knowledge to the table, offering listeners valuable insights into optimizing debt and reducing i…
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Claire Hurwitz: Healing Childhood Trauma for Healthier Relationships | Bouncing Back #59
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1:02:16In this episode of Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Joahanna Wickramaratne delves into this profound topic with the insightful psychologist, Claire Hurtwitz. Prepare for a journey that reveals how childhood trauma shapes our interactions and how to build healthier, more resilient connections. Claire Hurtwitz is …
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Mei Sze Goh: Navigating Grief — A Journey to Healing | Bouncing Back #58
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52:54Ever wondered how to navigate the turbulent waters of grief and come out stronger? In this heartening episode of "Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast," host Marie Stella Quek sits down with the compassionate Mei Sze Goh to explore the journey of healing from profound loss. Prepare to uncover valuable insights and practic…
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Sher-Li Torrey: Workplace Sisterhood — Social Support in Professional Resilience | Bouncing Back #57
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52:33Serving as an abode for camaraderie and mutual support to thrive among women employees, the workplace sisterhood has spread its wings across offices around the world. So, this week on Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Marie Stella chats with Sher-Li Torrey, founder and director of Mums@Work, to learn more about h…
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