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Thinking Outside the Sandbox is a podcast produced by Sandbox Collaborative at Southern New Hampshire University. Sandbox is a research and development lab of strategy and innovation, and the purpose of this Podcast is to convene experts and industry leaders in the field of higher education and beyond to discuss timely trends, innovation, and the future of higher education.
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Brisbane Centre for Legal Innovation

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The legal ecosystem is transforming but to what, for whom, where, why and how? Join us to learn about the next best practices and how legaltech is impacting your legal business. Learn from the people who are “walking the talk.” Hear what they are doing and what has driven them to do things differently for their clients, their people, their organisations and themselves and, how they measure and learn from success and failure. We’re going to get candid, super practical and yes, we’re going to ...
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This podcast was recorded on 15 April 2024 as the second session in CLI’s Legal GenAI Around the World Series. In this session Terri Mottershead, Executive Director at the Centre for Legal Innovation facilitated a discussion with three amazing panellists from India, Hong Kong and Singapore: Komal Gupta, Chief Innovation Officer, Cyril Amarchand Man…
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This podcast was recorded on 12 March 2024 as the inaugural session in CLI’s Legal GenAI Around the World Series. In this session Terri Mottershead, Executive Director at the Centre for Legal Innovation facilitated a discussion with three amazing panellists from Australia + New Zealand: Matt Farrington, Senior Legal Counsel, Vice Chancellor’s Offic…
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This session has become an annual event for us and, this was a BIG year to review the world of legaltech, AI and innovation. So much has happened since ChatGPT exploded onto the market in November 2022. Its impact has been pervasive, even in an industry like legal which would not, in the past, have been described as agile. So, what changed in 2023?…
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In this session, we spoke with Beth Patterson, the Founder and Director of legal industry-focused tech consultancy, ESPconnect and an Adjunct Professor (Industry) at UTS Faculty of Law. Beth’s career has the distinctive hallmark of being groundbreaking. The depth and breadth of her experience in tech and legaltech, in tech companies and law firms, …
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In this session, we spoke with Jean Yang, the VP and Co-founder of Onit’s AI Center of Excellence. The Center is a note-worthy offering from a software vendor. Jean’s journey to Onit seems like it was a natural progression. A former practising lawyer from New Zealand, she has spent most of her career so far (there’s lots more still to come) at the …
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In this session, we spoke with Michele DeStefano about how we can approach change, manage it and leverage it for the benefit of lawyer and allied legal professional wellbeing, for our clients, and legal businesses. Michele knows a thing or two about this from her many roles as law professor, business founder, educator, consultant, and serial entrep…
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It’s easy to get all caught up in the shiny new tech. It’s exciting and even a little mesmerizing, but the change it brings, demands and expects has a very real and human face too. In this podcast, Isabel Parker, Legal innovator, author and LawTech UK panel member closed out the Summit with her timely, important and candid reminder of the need to k…
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So much has happened in tech/AI and the legal world in a year! Will 2024 see GenAI being more impactful, less impactful, the same? And where, what, how and when will it impact? In this podcast, Caryn Sandler, Partner + Chief Knowledge and Innovation Officer at Gilbert + Tobin and CLI Advisory Board Co-Chair gazed into the crystal ball to help you g…
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We don’t have the capabilities we need to deliver legal services/products or solutions in a digital world. So what are legal educators doing about this and how quickly can they individually/collectively bridge the gap? In this podcast, Courtney Blackman, Head of Partnerships at Lander & Rogers discussed how legal education is changing in the face o…
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Gen AI has reinvented the legal workforce. We’re seeing old roles expand, new roles emerge and some disappear too. So how is the legal industry preparing for this? What are the new talent strategies, capabilities, perspectives, retrospectives and yes, everything in between? In this podcast, Sam Burrett, Legal Optimisation Consulting at MinterElliso…
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ChatGPT4 came after ChatGPT1 – getting from 1 to 4 and beyond took time, money, failure, frustration, resilience, agility, collaboration and multidisciplinary teamwork. These factors are all part of experimentation but they’re not typically hallmarks of the legal industry. So, how do we get from here to the new digital legal world? In this podcast,…
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What is the new and emerging role of regulatory authorities in a GenAI world? Who should be regulated (lawyers and paralegals)? Should the provision of legal services/products/solutions remain a duopoly? Should tech/AI competency be mandated? What does legal professional responsibility mean in contemporary legal practice? In this podcast, Terri Mot…
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We’ve heard the stats and see every day the increasing and critical need to improve access to justice. There is much GenAI can do to help but it’s not a perfect solution, or is it? In this podcast, Maya Markovich, Executive Director and Co-founder of the Justice Technology Association and CLI Advisory Board member, analysed and discussed the impact…
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Will Generative AI destroy law firms? Only if lawyers are too fixed in their ways to see the possibilities that lie beyond who we've always been and what we've always done. In this podcast, globally renowned legal commentator Jordan Furlong, Principal at Law21, unpacked the challenges and opportunities of a GenAI-fuelled and human-centred legal wor…
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Generative AI has dominated tech meetings, conversations, debates and demonstrations this year. We’ve been impressed, intimidated, inspired and disillusioned by the tech, so now almost a year since ChatGPT launched, is GenAI REALLY a game-changer? Is it the ultimate catalyst and influencer? Can it/should it sustain its impact on the legal world thr…
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It’s been almost a year since ChatGPT launched! For many of us, that opened the door to a new world – new concepts, new terms, confusion, frustration, exhilaration – a whole lot of stuff to understand, implement and manage. We needed guidance but the sort that shines a light on where to go and doesn’t require us to build the flashlight first. It ta…
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The title of Marshall Goldsmith’s book (2007) “What Got You Here Won't Get You There,” has become a mantra for change and with good reason – it’s true – we can’t do things differently until we think about and approach them differently. That mindset shift, changing the way we think and do, has never had higher stakes or been more in demand than now,…
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Generative AI has changed the world of legal work forever! That’s a big statement but, we’re seeing proofs of concept daily in multiple services, products and solutions from all types of legal businesses. Those engaging with the tech are building the bridges from concept to implementation. It requires work and, in some cases, lots of it. It starts …
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No matter what industry you put under the microscope or where you turn right now, there are gaps in digital literacy. Tech and AI are evolving at an unprecedented pace. Legal has and will come under increased scrutiny to keep up to remain relevant. And what that means is upskilling or reskilling on a scale we have never seen before. The legal world…
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This podcast was delivered on 25 August 2023 and is the ninth and final session in CLI’s AI for Legal Series. In this session Lisa Crosbie, Technology Evangelist and Amanda Fajerman, Engagement Manager, both at Barhead discussed Driving your business forward with Microsoft Copilot. Topics covered included: What is Microsoft Copilot? Where will Micr…
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This podcast was delivered on 9 August 2023 and is the eighth session in CLI’s AI for Legal Series. In this session Julian Webb, Professor of Law, Melbourne Law School, University of Melbourne discussed AI and Ethics in Legal Practice – What you need to know now! Topics covered included: A brief background and context of legal AI ‘Old school’ exper…
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This podcast was delivered on 2 August 2023 and is the seventh session in CLI’s AI for Legal Series. In this session Joel Barolsky, Principal, Edge International discussed how Generative AI is changing law firm strategy and business models. Topics covered in this session included how current generative AI will impact a law firm’s business strategy …
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This podcast was delivered on 21 July 2023 and is the sixth session in CLI’s AI for Legal Series. In this session Ab Saraswat, Chief Revenue Officer, Lupl and Founder, Fringe Legal discussed everything you need to know about ChatGPT Prompt Engineering for Legal …. all the tips and traps. Topics covered included: Prompt Engineering Basics Prompt For…
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This podcast was delivered on 19 July 2023 and is the fifth session in CLI’s AI for Legal Series. In this session Patrick Fair, Principal, Patrick Fair Associates discussed Generative AI, ChatGPT and IP Rights. Topics covered included: Generative AI overview Impact of GenAI on: Design Rights, Circuit Layout rights, Trade Marks, Patents and Copyrigh…
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In this podcast, the final episode of eight in the CLI’s Women Legal Business Founders and Leaders Series offered through our Legalpreneurs Lab, Women Legalpreneurs Special Interest Group, Terri Mottershead, Executive Director, Centre for Legal Innovation facilitated a discussion focused on the journey from Managing Partner to Founder and what it t…
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This podcast was delivered on 11 July 2023 and is the fourth session in CLI’s AI for Legal Series. In this session Krystal Jackson, eDiscovery Senior Manager, Ashurst Advance discussed data – what you need to know, what you need to do, and how you can get ready for the legal AI revolution. Topics covered included: What data is (and is not) Data gov…
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This podcast was delivered on 7 July 2023 and is the third session in CLI’s AI for Legal Series. In this session Stan Chua, Service Delivery Manager, Technology, Lander & Rogers discussed Large Language Models. Topics covered included: Machine Learning, Large Language Model, Generative AI – What’s the difference? Large Language Model: How does it w…
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This podcast was delivered on 27 June 2023 and is the second session in CLI’s AI for Legal Series. In this session, Ab Saraswat, Chief Revenue Officer at Lupl and Founder of Fringe Legal discussed ChatGPT Plugins – Why? Now? Next? Topics covered included: The difference between APIs, Apps and Plugins How ChatGPT Plugins are solving some of the limi…
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This podcast was delivered on 20 June 2023 and launched CLI’s AI for Legal Series. In this session, Caryn Sandler, Partner + Chief Knowledge and Innovation Officer and Mitchell Scott, Data and Delivery Manager, both from Gilbert + Tobin, discussed How to Use Generative AI and ChatGPT in Legal Practice. Topics covered included: The changing AI lands…
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In this podcast, the seventh episode of eight in the CLI’s Women Legal Business Founders and Leaders Series offered through our Legalpreneurs Lab, Women Legalpreneurs Special Interest Group, Bronwyn Eynon-Lewis, Co-Founder, Lacuna Professional Services facilitated a discussion focussed on when a business idea doesn’t go to plan, what’s next, with t…
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In this podcast, the final of five sessions on Digital Contracting for Net Zero, CLI’s Distinguished Fellow, Natalia Crnomarkovic was joined by Bernadette Bulacan Starin to explore how emerging technologies are shaping the future of Climate Contracting and how leading organisations are looking to blockchain and other emerging technologies as key Ne…
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In this podcast, the fourth of five sessions on Digital Contracting for Net Zero, CLI’s Distinguished Fellow, Natalia Crnomarkovic was joined by Alishia Ballantine and Peter Moulton to explore the limitations of current CLM systems in enabling Net Zero and how Next Gen contracting (aka Smart Legal Contracts) will uplift climate metrics capture and …
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In this podcast, the third of five sessions on Digital Contracting for Net Zero, CLI’s Distinguished Fellow, Natalia Crnomarkovic was joined by Marko Misko to explore how lawyers are aligning Construction supply chains with NetZero and the growing importance of technology as an enabler in this space. Marko Misko is a leading front-end infrastructur…
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In this podcast, the second of five sessions on Digital Contracting for Net Zero, CLI’s Distinguished Fellow, Natalia Crnomarkovic was joined by Jessica Mottau and Tara Fontanilla to showcase how in-house and private practice lawyers are teaming to support NetZero across FMCG Supply Chains, through NetZero aligned contracting and explore the growin…
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In this podcast, the first of five sessions on Digital Contracting for Net Zero, CLI’s Distinguished Fellow, Natalia Crnomarkovic was joined by Phoebe Roberts to explore how legal teams are jumping into action to propel NetZero through Climate adjusted risk allocation and Climate contracting. Phoebe Roberts is a senior legal practitioner in MinterE…
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In this podcast, the sixth episode of eight in the CLI’s Women Legal Business Founders and Leaders Series offered through our Legalpreneurs Lab, Women Legalpreneurs Special Interest Group, Melissa Lyon, Executive Director and Experience Designer, Hive Legal facilitated a discussion focusing on the journey from Lawyer to NewLaw Careerist with three …
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In this podcast, the fifth episode of eight in the CLI’s Women Legal Business Founders and Leaders Series offered through our Legalpreneurs Lab, Women Legalpreneurs Special Interest Group, Sheetal Deo, Founder and Principal Solicitor, Shakti Legal Solutions facilitated a discussion focussed on Partnership or Sole Proprietorship and what to consider…
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In this podcast, the fourth episode of eight in the CLI’s Women Legal Business Founders and Leaders Series offered through our Legalpreneurs Lab, Women Legalpreneurs Special Interest Group, Terri Mottershead, Executive Director, Centre for Legal Innovation, facilitated a discussion with three outstanding women founders and leaders from Australia on…
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This session has become a signature event for CLI – this is our fourth year of looking back, seeing what stuck and what didn’t in legal innovation and tech and why. We always wrap with a little crystal ball gazing into 2023 too! This year we chatted with Caryn Sandler, Partner and Chief Knowledge & Innovation Officer at Gilbert + Tobin and Co-chair…
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Robots are going to replace lawyers! That’s the headline that often comes to mind when we think about AI in the legal world. But, it’s not realistic for a bunch of different reasons and in this session, we discussed why with Uwais Iqbal, the Founder of simplexico, a legal AI consultancy based in the UK and dedicated to serving the AI, ML and NLP ne…
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In this podcast, the third episode of eight in the CLI’s Women Legal Business Founders and Leaders Series offered through our Legalpreneurs Lab Women Legalpreneurs Special Interest Group, Terri Mottershead, Executive Director, Centre for Legal Innovation, facilitated a discussion about the when, how, why and what of funding for women-led businesses…
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Everywhere you look there's another launch, announcement, and even more discussion about legaltech! While there is DEFINITELY more tech to choose from today, the SAME critical question remains for you to ask and answer...what's the right tech for you and your law firm? In this podcast, Fiona McLay, Principal Lawyer & Consultant at McLay Legal answe…
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In this podcast, in the second episode of eight in the CLI’s Women Legal Business Founders and Leaders Series offered through our Legalpreneurs Lab, Women Legalpreneurs Special Interest Group, Courtney Blackman, Head of Partnerships, Lander & Rogers, facilitated a discussion about the journey from Start Up to Scale Up with three outstanding women f…
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In this podcast, the final session in CLI’s Legaltech Around the World Series, Terri Mottershead, Executive Director, CLI facilitated a panel discussion focussing on what we have learnt this year – the big themes, the big changes and what that’s telling us about where legaltech is heading. Terri was joined by amazing guest panellists: David Bushby,…
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So much has changed in the legal workplace. We’ve heard about the gig economy. We know people are working differently and from different places now. We also know that no matter what your profession, the digital ecosystem has disrupted it and will continue to do that for a long time to come. So, have these changes opened the door to a new way to con…
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With this podcast, we launched CLI’s Women Legal Business Founders and Leaders Series offered through our Legalpreneurs Lab, Women Legalpreneurs Special Interest Group. In this, the first of eight sessions in the series, we chatted with three outstanding women founders and leaders from Australia, Singapore and the USA who have taken the journey fro…
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In this podcast, a session in our ReinventED Legal Business: The Case Studies series, Terri Mottershead, Executive Director, Centre for Legal Innovation (Australia, New Zealand and Asia-Pacific) chatted with Sarah Stoddart, Founder and Director and Michele Davis, Special Counsel at Vitality Law Australia. Vitality Law Australia (VLA) was born from …
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In this podcast, the seventh session in CLI’s Legaltech Around the World Series, David Bushby, Managing Director, InCounsel facilitated a discussion about the local legaltech market in Latin America. David was joined by amazing guest panellists: Andrés Jara, Co-Founder & CEO, Kea Technology Inc (Chile) Bibiana Martinez Camelo, Head of Legal Operati…
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Neural nets…sounds exciting, perhaps a little scary, and a long way from anything to do with legal practice, right? Wrong! It has everything to do with how the legal ecosystem is being challenged to reconceive and deliver legal work differently from start to finish and…beyond! It’s easy to get caught up in jargon in all of this stuff – AI, machine …
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In 2013, after many years working in large law firms and co-founding one of the first legal metrics start-ups, Caren Ulrich Stacy took time out to reflect on how she could bring together what she had done with what she had experienced to solve a problem that keeps knocking at her door – how do women who had left legal practice for a variety of diff…
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