Morrison's COP cop-out — Kylea Tink, Ben Jenkins, Diana Nguyen, Dan Ilic, Lewis Hobba.

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G'day Fearmongers — On the podcast this week we chat with Kylea Tink — the new independent candidate for North Sydney who is running in the lower house at the next federal election. Who is she? Why is she running?

Also comedians Ben Jenkins, Diana Nguyen, Dan Ilic, and Lewis Hobba dissect Scott Morrison's COP cop-out, plans to assassinate Julian Assange, and Diana decides to run for the Northern Beaches electorate of Mackellar.

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Dan Ilic 0:04
Good evening, Lewis. How are you?

Lewis Hobba 0:06
Hello, moneybags. How are you?

Dan Ilic 0:08
Well, let's not talk about that yet. We're gonna save that for the show. But Louis, we might by happenstance have a few more listeners on the podcast this week. I don't know why I don't know why. But for people who've never heard the podcast, Lewis, so what? How would you describe it?

Lewis Hobba 0:24
It's a great question, Dan. I would describe it as there's chitchat. There's news, there's climate change. There's interviews. But mostly it's a fundraising campaign. We're essentially take your money. There are people here who are saying you're talking about important issues, you're talking about climate change? Yes, sure. That is a smokescreen. At the end of the day. What we want is cash, cash, cash, cash, cash.

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Lewis Hobba 1:10
right. Much like a true crime podcast. It has been going on too long.

Dan Ilic 1:13
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Dan Ilic 1:33
Tonight with Australia coming out of lockdown Scott Larson says he may not go to Glasgow as he has more important picnics to see back at home and Prince Andrew has been served with a sexual assault lawsuit in the United States. The prince was quite accepting of the latest developments saying no sweat and after information leaks that the CIA considered killing Julian Assange for leaking information. Mike Pompeo asks for options to have himself assassinated. It's the first of October and this is the podcast that Nancy Pelosi calls the best podcasts in Australia. This is a rational feeling.

Welcome to rational fi I'm your host former professional singing kebabs Dan Ellis and let's meet our female guest for tonight. She's the queen of corporate comedy on LinkedIn and she's probably considers herself a little bit snotty judge for yourself from this note cast is Dinah Newman. Hi welcome welcome Diana.

Diana Nguyen 2:36
Welcome thanks for welcoming and I welcome myself

Dan Ilic 2:40
you could just do it you want to take over here and welcome Ben Jenkins deadly very good to you know from the checkout when the week the fade you also might know him as your friend in the group chat who's always talking about how great it is to be sober in the pandemic. It's the intoxicating but not intoxicated, then Jenkins Welcome back. Hello.

How is sobriety going for you Ben.

Ben Jenkins 3:03
It's you know, it's I don't know, I don't know if you guys have ever done a stint of sobriety. But one of one of the things that like it's very good, but one of the things that they don't tell you is that you can't be drunk I'd say that it's a major drawback

Lewis Hobba 3:25
getting on board until I had that factor now it's a no Yeah, no,

Ben Jenkins 3:28
they put it in the fine print. I'm

Dan Ilic 3:30
I'm drinking right now. He kind of stumped me. And he's a man I haven't actually written your intro Louis. I've had a big day sees a man Lewis

Lewis Hobba 3:37
he's a man that's it. That's all I get unbelievable. But you know what? an upgrade on the boy I used to be.

Dan Ilic 3:46
I still enjoyed introducing Craig rocastle last week his former chaser boy now chaser, man. He loves it. Coming up. We're gonna be talking with Kylie Tink the new candidate for North Sydney. It's very excited, independent candidate. But first, we're gonna message from our sponsor a real sponsor. Well, sort of it is us. We've actually got a new spin off show starting once a month here on this feed hosted by a very famous Australian. Have a listen. Here's the trailer

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Dan Ilic 5:37
Thank you. There you go. Jay Z here at first on next Thursday, we're going to be taking a break and Jay Z is going to be taking over next. On next Thursday's podcast. All right. This week's first year, Scott Morrison has decided he won't go to the most historic global world leaders meeting in his tenure. That is the cop 26 conference Climate Change Conference in Glasgow. fishmongers. Why weren't Scott Morrison go to this very prominent event?

Ben Jenkins 6:06
Like what's he going to do? If you if you had the opportunity to like because it is always good to turn up to Glasgow and eat shit, and like he deserves to eat shit. He shouldn't be eating shit. But if you had the option of not eating shit, you take that one right? Like

Dan Ilic 6:25
but isn't eating shit in Glasgow more exciting than eating shit here in Australia?

Ben Jenkins 6:29
I mean, I don't know man, I gotta tell you. I would say the only thing that I'm enjoying about this entire Prime Ministership is how much this man fucking hates being Prime Minister it's honestly the only thing that's keeping me sane is like one person having a worse time than a lot of people in lockdown and it's Scott Morrison. I shouldn't be glib because obviously a lot of people are doing a lot harder than a you know somebody is who's got millions of dollars and and and absolute job security due to a stunning lack of opposition. But like honestly, this man, like, got to wanting to be Prime Minister for all the kind of bells and whistles and sashes and nice trips and conferences where you get to wear cool clothes and carpet and red jackets. Yeah, and he's just picked the worst time in modern history to have this job for somebody for somebody you like and you write down like that's what he just wants to be whatever the prime minister or crew equivalent of just kicking back in Hawaii is he always wants to be doing and so he just goes to Hawaii does does

Dan Ilic 7:41
the meme the main is true though the main kind of rings true that Scott Morrison does nothing like everything he does is at the last minute just as everything kind of gets to a crisis point so he can mess up handling that crisis. Everything just seems to be like, Oh no, someone else will worry about it until it becomes a void it really it's like the buck stops with him with everything but he's kind of forgotten that other people that like he needs to look after stuff as well. It's such a strange environment fame today, but I

Ben Jenkins 8:09
do I do have like something that approaches but is not sympathy for him in in in this because like, like I say any other time in the time that he's been active in politics. That is that is the status quo. That is what you do, you know, passing the buck. Yep. And, and just putting it off, and just waiting for it to go away. Like 99% of problems. I'm not saying they should be solved this way. I think it's bad to solve this way. But politically, that has actually never been that much of a problem. And it's this guy's Mo. And like I say he's just picked VA one time in history where that looks incredibly bad.

Lewis Hobba 8:47
Kind of like if you look at the end of say, like Julia gaylords Prime Ministership, at the end of it. She was friends with Rianna now at the end. He's gonna be friends with what Peter Dutton that is a bad dinner.

Ben Jenkins 9:01
Yeah. Yeah.

Dan Ilic 9:04
It's so interesting that even sports people are saying they're not going to go to the lodge, or go to kirribilli to have their photo taken with him anymore. It's such a very strange, like, go free. And hey, I'm also also on this story. A comedian wanted to buy one billboard but ended up running a welfare program for the neglect neglect to that sector. I don't know if you saw this story. So yeah, so we're in the last week on the podcast, you would have heard us talk about trying to raise $12,000 to put a billboard in Glasgow.

Lewis Hobba 9:34
And for the record at the time, I thought a bit greedy. I was like, Alright, Dan. Look. I've been on this podcast every single episode since it started and we haven't seen $12,000 in 10 years.

Dan Ilic 9:51
Yeah, No, we haven't. I haven't. But anyway, so I ran this Indiegogo campaign. I put the post out six o'clock on Monday, and I should have known it was going to go off. You know, when we when we spoke about on the podcast, we published the podcast on Friday. We mentioned if you want to find out about this, find out about this this project to make sure you join the email list and over the weekend, like I said 123 but 30 new people signed up to the email list. And I was like, well this actually might, this actually might be a problem like we actually might

Lewis Hobba 10:28
wish I've never pressured for success.

Dan Ilic 10:32
Let me tell you exactly All I want to do is pay this invoice and go to bed. I thought I've run glue as you and I ran a Kickstarter campaign or Indiegogo campaign for rational feedback in 2014 we were trying to raise $50,000 and it took a month to rise. Well I got through this Indiegogo I managed to raise 50,000 in like two days Yeah. And now it's up to 112 $112,000 so but I've got a new plan so I'm pivoting the whole campaign to cold call that joke keeper and we're basically spend a whole stack of money on billboards Yes, but a whole bunch of money on comedians who have been out of work to produce sketches for the for for the election coming up so it's a war chest to roll out for the election. It's like satire if the ABC didn't run it like the ABC is is hold on Saturday but you don't actually have to say anything with it. So it's like a Saturday you can actually have a point it's really doors you don't have to answer you'd have to talk to Becky as

Lewis Hobba 11:38
a as a current NBC employee I have nothing to do with the billboard campaign but I do think it's great and obviously it's a bit complicated on the podcast but I'm not involved.

Dan Ilic 11:46
Yes and Louis I want you know, you're not gonna get a single sentence. So

Diana Nguyen 11:51
I'm just struggling struggling

Lewis Hobba 11:57
pays me now the podcast gets behind me. Louis, what do you want

Dan Ilic 12:04
to get paid 100 bucks a week from the podcast? Or do you want a job on national radio?

Lewis Hobba 12:09
Honestly, that's a difficult decision right now.

Dan Ilic 12:13
So anyway, we've got these billboards to make Dave you guys got any thoughts about what billboards we should put up like ideas for climate change oriented billboards to make fun of the climate policies of the Australian Government

Lewis Hobba 12:24
What about since the temperature is rising the whole we make the billboard but the whole thing's like a mood ring. That changes color as it gets warmer. Right? That is great.

Dan Ilic 12:36
I love that. Yeah, that's good.

Ben Jenkins 12:39
What about an ad for fantasy?

Lewis Hobba 12:42
Oh, that's interesting. That's interesting. Your soft drinks Coca Cola.

Dan Ilic 12:49
This isn't a Hamish and Andy podcast,

Ben Jenkins 12:51
delicious beverage that that that people can buy in stores and I think people would enjoy seeing that on a billboard to remind them that beverage Yeah, I may have missed the break. I just heard bill boys.

Lewis Hobba 13:05
They're supposed to be Australian Australia represent Australia so maybe it should be something like dirt cheap furniture, you know, like, just see if he can do here's the dirty guy if in fact, isn't the dirty Guy istockphoto is that the truth? Yeah, the dirty guy who you could buy the dirty guy

Dan Ilic 13:22
man you would know this because you would have done this for the checkout right? Surely.

Ben Jenkins 13:25
Actually. No, I stole this fact from James Colley because he did it on growing and I'll do it again. Yeah, he was a he's a stock photo guy and he and he he has a pipe in the stock photo he's got a pipe in his mouth and when you when you know that because they photoshopped the pipe out because they didn't want to be associated with pipes for Advertising Standards, but when you know that he has a pipe you can't you realize that's one of the unsettling things about the image that it's it's got a lack of pipe.

Dan Ilic 13:56
I'm gonna be looking out for the Photoshop pipe. In the next time I drive past the 1000s of durruti billboards

Ben Jenkins 14:02
you'll crash your car Daniel it's mesmerizing. Diana Do

Dan Ilic 14:05
you have any ideas for what should go on these billboards we're making around the world?

Diana Nguyen 14:09
I was thinking like Corey my bush or something helped quarry the bush. Oh.

Lewis Hobba 14:17
Have you? Have you considered approaching Lara bingle I know that when Scott Morrison was in Hawaii Lara bingo was one of the first and obviously most important people to tweet out where the bloody hell are you Scott Morrison in the bushfires? Which is great stuff from her.

Dan Ilic 14:32
I reckon really interesting I think Lara

Lewis Hobba 14:35
bingle you know I think I reckon obviously she's she's got the money now she we can you know we don't need to pay too much. And I reckon she do it I reckon she would do it she seems like they kind of I reckon that would be up her politics

Ben Jenkins 14:48
All right. I want to pitch something to you guys. I want to pitch something to you guys listening listening. larvae angle on a beautiful beach. reminiscent of the of where the bloody hell Yeah, 2006 way I can find, but it's a beach. That's all it's all it's all ruined by climate change. Okay. There's the waters, the waters yucky man is

Dan Ilic 15:11
had been Have you been reading? Everyone who's replied to me on Twitter with a teardrop in their name is that reading all right.

Ben Jenkins 15:21
So she's there and it's not a nice looking beach. And what's that in her hand? It's a beautiful bottle of fat. And the coffee just reads

Unknown Speaker 15:40
that's a matter for the Queensland Government.

Unknown Speaker 15:42
I mean, that's a matter for the cranium. That's a matter that all rise with other premiers and Chief Ministers. That's really a question to the premium. That's a matter of I'm happy to take up with the other premiers and Chief Ministers

Dan Ilic 15:52
a rational fear. Hey, second fit this week. So a report came out on Yahoo News that said that the CIA had planned to Is that a

Lewis Hobba 16:01
joke and their opponents?

Dan Ilic 16:04
Well, you know what, here's the thing. Here's the thing, BuzzFeed news is stopped doing news and Yahoo News. So there was a gap and said, We need another ridiculous person to take over the news. Let's be that let's be the new wacky news person but they're doing journalism again. Yahoo's actually doing real journalism. So they had this report that said that the CIA was actively developing plans to kidnap or assassinate WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange during his London Ecuadorian embassy stay. This is very, very strange story. Like this is absolutely zany stuff. This is from the Trump administration. Mike Pompeo, all these guys who benefited from Julian Assange, the leaking material, all of a sudden wanted to kill him. Why was

Ben Jenkins 16:53
that? Yeah, well, they had the material.

Lewis Hobba 17:05
Like, I know that killing people isn't funny.

Dan Ilic 17:07
But no,

Ben Jenkins 17:09
it is going.

Lewis Hobba 17:11
It is pretty like can you imagine working in the CIA, it does feel like they get to the seat, they get to assassination pretty quickly, pretty often. And it would be quite fun to be in all of their meetings. And you imagine there's just one guy, he's maybe called Steve. And they're just like, sure, what are we gonna do about what are we gonna do about Julian? And Steve's hand just goes up, and everyone just goes, shoots right? Here come, Steve, what are you What is

Dan Ilic 17:36
this? I think the best course of action here is to terminate, like, Yeah,

Ben Jenkins 17:40
we do. Alright, moving on. Secret Santa.

Dan Ilic 17:47
Santa to

Lewis Hobba 17:48
say, listening. Anyone else on point? This is the break that comes through. It's like, what should we do with Steve and Steve's? Like, Oh, no.

Dan Ilic 18:01
I need to be I need to be taken out of the picture.

Ben Jenkins 18:06
I do get the feeling that there is some assassinations, which really are just to like, let the whoever the writing CIA Steve is set to just get it out of their system so they can get some work done. Oh, yeah.

Dan Ilic 18:18
I mean, I think this is like when they retire as well. They can have a conversation with someone while I was the guy had to guess. You know, I, I press. I press go on that email. Yeah.

Diana Nguyen 18:28
I've got like a board of how many numbers of people they've killed, like, you know, like a boy's room?

Dan Ilic 18:35
Yeah. I really enjoyed this quote from the former counter intelligence officer saying, Yeah, when Trump took office, there was a fundamental change. Nobody, nobody in that crew was going to be too broken up about the First Amendment issues. I was like, well, they got. Trump later was described as saying he was just spitballing. He was actually one.

Ben Jenkins 19:02
Look, if you're discussing a problem with the CIA, like, you're gonna spit both of them, right.

Lewis Hobba 19:09
It's like, have we considered running some sort of billion dollar? I don't know, drug importation scheme that we can blame on someone you know, of course, is the classic Should we just kill

Dan Ilic 19:21
spitballing

Ben Jenkins 19:22
but it's a classic for a reason. They're

Lewis Hobba 19:24
also in terms of wacky schemes to do with Assange. Didn't he have a wacky escape plan?

Dan Ilic 19:30
Oh, yeah, there was rumors that he was going to escape by Russians in Erlangen a van or something right. Yeah.

Lewis Hobba 19:35
And there was like it was like a classic, a classic sort of Ocean's 11 situation where he was gonna, they were gonna bring in like a package that was gonna be in a really big bag and then he was gonna have to kill him.

Dan Ilic 19:48
I think they tried that, but the bag had a hole in it. There was a WikiLeaks.

Ben Jenkins 19:55
Do you remember the footage that that ironically leaked out of the Ecuador. An Embassy of Assange trying to learn to skateboard.

Dan Ilic 20:04
Didn't Pat Moran doesn't like that as though

Ben Jenkins 20:07
he could have Yeah, somebody sent him a skateboard. I need

Lewis Hobba 20:10
to say I said he might break his neck.

Dan Ilic 20:15
Sir, if we, if we sent him a skateboard, it's a very dangerous, very dangerous.

Ben Jenkins 20:22
Yeah, it's great. It really reminded me because he's he's just trying it in a room which is quite a small room. And it really reminded me of me trying to learn to skate in my bedroom, but you just can't do like you can't do one wall and then you turn around and do the other one. Yeah, I mean, if you if if what you currently need in your life right now,

Dan Ilic 20:42
man, I feel so bad. If you feel sorry for people living in the Ecuadorian embassy, and then people below the Chilean embassy, they would have been very annoyed with the sound. Yeah, you know, I always thought like a great escape plan would be because Julian Assange is so iconic. You know, he's an iconic looking man, and you could dress up 1000 people to look like Julian Assange, and swarm the Ecuadorian embassy and then disperse. That's really yeah, it's classic stuff that

Lewis Hobba 21:08
end in 1000 guys who look like CIA agents, and then you'll never know who killed him.

Unknown Speaker 21:14
Rational fear

Unknown Speaker 21:15
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Ben Jenkins 21:21
Australia trying to go for net zero emissions is like a 10 year old boy who thinks he's Superman and jumps off his parents room. He doesn't have the technology and he's going to fall flat

Unknown Speaker 21:31
on his face, your fear is rational.

Dan Ilic 21:35
Next out, this is a warning for people who live in the seat of Fowler an immigrant is moving to your suburb to buy a house. Yes, last week it was announced that Kristina Keneally is moving to Fowler to kick out somebody else so that she can run for the lower house. This is a very strange story she's leaving a perfectly fine senate seat to go to a perfectly hard working Lower House seat like why would Kristina Keneally want to move to the lower house at all die?

Diana Nguyen 22:02
Well the house is cheaper probably from the northern couple of more houses in the West Couldn't you

Dan Ilic 22:11
that's true that's true. This is a strange story because you know the labor they're always pretending to be authentic and genuine. And they want to be seen to be doing the right thing by the people that they represent including removing event maize woman from running in that seat with somebody who has never had a connection with that so how do you how do you say as a as someone all that maize heritage How do you feel it

Diana Nguyen 22:37
I feel a bit redundant. Vietnamese people shouldn't do anything at Australia I think that's what they're trying to say. What it's showing is that there is a kind of tokenism when Asians are needed and I guess with the Labor Party in this case, the Asian female Vietnamese politician was it was a immigrants from America female to represent the lower house so disappointing. disappointing.

Ben Jenkins 23:05
I did see them trying to sort of like you know, when somebody sort of it's usually happens on Twitter where they sort of try a line out and they're like yeah, that's rubbish sorry. I saw him sort of trying to be like well actually we're talking about to immigrants here quite roundly went Shut the fuck up and they went right

Lewis Hobba 23:27
we didn't get to assassinations give us that

Dan Ilic 23:31
like saying alibi even step up and going well, you know, and playing that same line, just like well, you know, she's an immigrant. You know, we got we got to embrace this story.

Ben Jenkins 23:40
Yeah, it's funny, like, I know why they can't do it. Well, like I know what the conventional wisdom why the convention wizard says I can't do this. But like, it's so funny the way that like, labor especially has to tie themselves in knots to not just say the truth, which is like, this is all factional. And there's like so much shit going on. That's complicated behind the scenes, that this is just how shit works. And it shouldn't work this way. And it's terrible that it works this way. But let's not pretend that that's not how it works. And instead of having to do these like crazy contortions, to make it seem like it's like a just thing. That

Dan Ilic 24:13
was the real story, Ben, in terms of the senate factions, what happened up in the Senate that meant that Kristina Keneally got booted out Yeah,

Ben Jenkins 24:19
my understanding is that because of factional maneuvering, she got bumped to the third place in her senate ticket which is not a safe place. So there was actually there was actual danger that she was going to lose her upper house

Dan Ilic 24:30
seat is that right? We're gonna ask our next guest

Ben Jenkins 24:34
she got done over in the senate internally from labor and so they're trying to shift it to a to a safer seat in the lower house. Potentially also because she at least might harbor leadership ambitions. And you know, there there are people in the party that really that really writer I mean, I do think that's one of the funny things about this whole story that like, all her defenders are like, well, she's actually an incredibly savvy, political All right and then you look at how she's handled this whole thing and it's like watching someone trying to fix a fucking watch with bricks and that's like it's like oh man if she could bring this like political mouse against the the liberals that should be unstoppable like yeah there's not a lot of skill on on display here even if that's like the mercenary reason you're saying, Oh, we should fuck over this young woman because you know we're getting we're gonna get this incredible heavy hitter in the way that she's conducted herself even like on those terms is an impressive row and

Lewis Hobba 25:30
Barnaby Joyce was asked about why they weren't going to rein in like the COVID conspiracy theorists. And he says like, Whoa, we need the votes. And yeah, and you were like, Oh, he said it and it caught the whole thing down. Everyone was like, Oh, yeah, okay. I mean, obviously that's right, that makes you

Dan Ilic 25:50
sad. Is that the same approach that you take to when Barnaby says oh, well, you're gonna say whatever the government says. That's right.

Lewis Hobba 25:58
Whatever they got in place yeah, that's why he is supporting Barnaby Joyce I think he's right talking giovanelli is

Dan Ilic 26:05
john angla on the YouTube says media beats up on Canadian vs two ignores the greater problem of gender and diversity in the coalition well this is true the coalition isn't as diverse as labor that's for sure die would you What would you do to increase gender and diversity in the coalition?

Diana Nguyen 26:22
Well, I think there's a no go for the coalition I'll just say right but I was just gonna say Dan like you've raised all this is money I could run as an independent if you know you could

Dan Ilic 26:34
this is a great

Diana Nguyen 26:39
yeah, we could

Dan Ilic 26:41
say what say Dad I would say do whatever gender run gender run it gets

Diana Nguyen 26:45
off the Northern Beaches. I would just love to be there.

Ben Jenkins 26:55
You could there's gonna be a house in Scotland is gonna be available it's only accessible by boat.

Lewis Hobba 27:01
I I've lived in Sydney for I don't know 10 years I don't know where is Scotland Ireland? pittwater.

Ben Jenkins 27:09
Scotland Ireland is? Yeah, Tim Pete what it is it is an island it's not in Scotland. So one out of two ain't bad. But yeah, it's it's it's just fairies there and bam.

Dan Ilic 27:21
You need the new nickname for Scott Morrison is Scotland Ireland because yeah, that's in Scotland.

Lewis Hobba 27:27
Maybe instead of going to Glasgow for cop 26. You can just go to Scotland I've visited clearly what else? What do you want?

Unknown Speaker 27:36
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Dan Ilic 27:55
She's North Sydney's new, independent candidate and it's going to be an exciting race. According to her LinkedIn, she's a successful business operator and NFP, campaigner tenacious, intelligent and compassionate. Well, you know, according to us, that sounds a bit arrogant, don't you think? Please welcome to the podcast Kylie tank. Welcome, Kylie.

Kylea Tink 28:15
Thanks, Dan. I thought you were gonna tell me it sounds like a dating profile. Actually, I think.

Dan Ilic 28:21
Well, no, it actually does sound like a dating profile. Anyway, this is your next six months is dating and electorate. How's it going? Has anyone caught your eye?

Kylea Tink 28:30
I'm actually gonna say it's been a bit of a roller coaster. It's been a hell of a ride, not expecting it to be as amazing as it adds. It has been, you know, we launched only last Saturday. So we're 10 days into a campaign and already we've got, you know, hundreds of people walking around the North Shore electoral in a pink t shirt that says, team Tink, which is kind of bizarre when you're the Tink and you're looking at all these people walking around with your name on them. So it's um, it's actually starting next week, Diana I just wanted to say sorry Dan McKellar is looking for an independent camp. McKellen's up Palm Beach.

Diana Nguyen 29:07
I'm actually from Melbourne. Hi.

Kylea Tink 29:12
Christina. From independent as well, which city? I am Ben Ben. Sponsored by fan. Yeah, is that correct? Yeah, that's right. Then I am running for the seat of North Sydney, which is me. Funnily enough on the Northern line.

Dan Ilic 29:31
Yeah, it's slightly north. Who are you?

Lewis Hobba 29:34
Who are you taking down Kylie? Who are you hoping to take down?

Kylea Tink 29:37
I am running against a gentleman called Trent Zimmerman, who is you know actually is a really really nice guy. I've met Trent a number of times he's just seems to have this issue where he's completely ineffective because he's a government backbencher. And so actually has less power than anybody else in the parliamentary system. So he talks one way he is a climate advocate and you know his has spoken a lot about Protecting the Great Barrier Reef, but then when legislation comes up in the house, he actually voted against it. So we've he's a bit confused.

Dan Ilic 30:07
It's something that a lot of the people in this climate independent movement talk about, they say, you know, well, the good guys are good, but they vote the same way as the bad guys. So Who the hell are you, Kylie? and How dare you try and vote against the good guy?

Kylea Tink 30:20
Thank you for asking, Dan. That's a good question. Isn't that what Lewis said earlier? Actually, Dan? Well, if you believe the media, according to a newspaper article recently, I'm the problem that the government has, at the moment people like me interview, a little bit tired of waiting for middle aged men to get it right. And so we're deciding to stand up and actually call it out and say that we actually think Australia can be and do better. So if you'd told me 18 months ago, that this was what I would be doing, I would have laughed almost as hard as I've been laughing, listening to you guys waiting to come in. But here I am. And I just couldn't be more on it.

Dan Ilic 31:03
This is a big ask. And it's an extremely stressful process. How did you come to the conclusion that you wanted to put yourself through this process over the next six months? really seriously,

Kylea Tink 31:14
I there was a moment for me last September, where our Prime Minister came into the state of New South Wales, and said to the public, if New South Wales would not build a gas fired power station in our state, then the federal government would build it, and they would use federal electronic money to do that. And this kind of ding went off in my head. And I just thought there's something wrong with this, you know, like New South Wales doesn't want it, but the federal government wants to build it, what's going on here. And then the next morning, I heard Mike cannon Brooks from Atlassian, came out and said that the Prime Minister saying that to our country was the equivalent of him going to work the next day and telling all of these programmers, they could only work with an abacus. And it was like, somebody dropped a cat in my lap, I suddenly went, Oh, that makes so much sense. You know, like, this doesn't make business sense. What our Prime Minister wants to do is illogical and irrational. So I think that's when I first decided I had to stand up and say, because I have been a successful businesswoman. Dan, thank you very much. This isn't good business. So yeah, that's when I decided it was time to go into politics.

Dan Ilic 32:22
That same catalyst is the same for a lot of folks. I mean, this is, in particular, for me, I started to go, what the hell is going on when, during a pandemic, that the group of people that get together, the National COVID, committee commission, get together, and they decide the best way to handle the pandemic is to build a gas pipeline? Like I'm not a doctor, but it doesn't quite make any kind of sense, also, and I was so enraged after six months. And of course, these of course, no, Greg Hunt was looking at his emails in that six months, because he was like, Oh, no, the National COVID committees got it sorted out. But it's just crazy to think that and just really, just, like I

Ben Jenkins 33:03
say, we try to play out, it's very easy to snipe from the sideline, we

Dan Ilic 33:12
don't know, we don't know, the gas pipeline can fix it. Yeah, that's true.

Kylea Tink 33:16
You know, what I think it is, the problem is that we've got, to me that's an approach of, you know, we've got a government that's obsessed with still selling VHS cassettes, when the rest of the world is live streaming or listening to your podcast, you know, like, they just don't seem to want to step into this new century. And that's got multiple issues for us, you know, not only for our, for our kids and their kids in terms of the world that they'll be growing up in environmentally. But economically, Australia stands to get left behind, you know, we should be Excuse me for a minute, but we should be a renewable superpower, we have more natural resources in this country, than any other country on the face of the planet. And yet, we still want to hang on to that little brown rock and pass it backwards and forwards in Parliament. So we can do better. And I think it just takes normal people like us to stand up and say, you know what politics is about the people, not the party. So we're taking it back.

Dan Ilic 34:11
Carly, tell us a little bit about your history. How did you get to this point, like, how did you get to the point you're like, you know what, I've done enough. I want to ruin my career, and go into politics.

Kylea Tink 34:22
So I think I'm a born campaigner, actually, Dan. So I'm one of four kids. I grew up in a small country town at Northwest New South Wales called coonabarabran. coonabarabran is very excited because at the last census, their population grew from three set 3000 to 3001. And we got to change the signs as you come into the town. So it's a great little town that hasn't moved a lot. And it has a really strong culture that when you want to get stuff done, you lean in together. You know, that's how we had the tennis courts built. That's how we got the youth center built. So I grew up in an environment where I just knew that if you wanted to make the place better, you just had to find the right group of people to work with to make that happen. So, over my career I've worked in areas as diverse as domestic violence advocacy. I've worked in tobacco control. I've worked in sun protection. I've worked with the HIV AIDS community. I've worked with kids in immigration detention centers and young Australians doing it tough with mental health. I've done a lot of work in Canada you

Dan Ilic 35:19
sound you sound already you already sound like a young Australians. Do I get tough? Ah, that's correct day. That is good. Good. That's good gear. You'll be doing that on a current affair in no time. I

Kylea Tink 35:29
had that long before I was. Thank you very much. All right. Yeah. But no, my probably one of my most amazing experiences for I was the CEO at a organization called the McGraw foundation for six years where I went in just after Jane passed away and because I really respected Jane and I wanted to see the idea that she had had come to fruition. And I just had this six year experience of you know, we were five nurses when I went there. And by the time I finished we were 100 nurses, the Sydney pink test had been born and all these things that people said couldn't be done had suddenly been achieved. So I think for me that that's fundamentally what drives me I love that question. Why? And then the extension of it of why not you know, why can't we do it differently? And to me, that's what's pretty amazing about campaigning at the moment Actually, I'm running amazing group of volunteers we're a community organization and we're standing up against some pretty big machines in the form of the parties but people are joining us you know, they they're coming out and saying we want to be counted to so I don't know where this will go honestly, guys, I just think that it's a bit like your billboards if you can do something that disrupts the conversation enough that other people stand up and take notice. I think that's a pretty amazing thing to have the capacity to do so I'm all for your billboards down and if you want to put a billboard in the North Sydney electorate saying we've looked from Ada Zimmerman and can't find Trent anywhere where is he on the environment I will back you into doing that all the way.

Dan Ilic 37:04
Well, you know, he looked Kylie I technically on the lead to support any candidate, but I am allowed to the right others so you may find you may find billboards but of me attacking transit women, but I won't be able to actually support support you and

Ben Jenkins 37:21
also also saying, you know, maybe some choice things about a delicious orange beverage.

Dan Ilic 37:28
Fanta. Hang on, would you believe we lost Lewis for one second? Let me just call him. He had a blackout. Blackout. He's in the car. True story. Lewis did you have to adjust to leave the podcast because we started to get political and you were just worried about losing a job at eBay.

Lewis Hobba 37:49
Right. This is going to cost me a small amount of money. I've got to go.

Dan Ilic 37:56
What happened? Where did you go the whole?

Lewis Hobba 37:58
My father has lost power. I've just been I thought it was misused. But there's a whole three wide blackout. I've just been meeting my neighbors for the first time.

Dan Ilic 38:07
I tell you what, if Kylie was a professional politician already, she'd say, Well, this is the problem with coal power.

Lewis Hobba 38:18
I feel nervous. I don't know what I'm going to stream. I've already started deciding based on a coconut going bad. That

Diana Nguyen 38:26
was mean. That was me last week with the earthquake. I was like, this is it. We're done.

Dan Ilic 38:32
Well, Kylie, thank you so much for joining us on irrational fear. And thanks, everyone for joining us. Do you guys have anything to plug Diane? I do want to plug it

Diana Nguyen 38:39
in, right? Yeah. If you're a snorting fan, I've got a podcast called the snort cast. And if you know Kiana Reeves I'm still chasing him. So please bring him my way.

Dan Ilic 38:50
And you're also raising money for a climate project who you're raising money for.

Diana Nguyen 38:53
Climate for change is doing an October fundraiser. They're raising $300,000 and Ambassador one of our ambassadors do Lucy they're actually on live right now they're raising Kobe's 300k. Sorry.

Dan Ilic 39:05
Excellent. And we are supporting climate change too. We've given them a billboard. So if you want to go to climate change, and and by that billboard, you can decide what goes on it. Ben, do you wanna plug anything

Ben Jenkins 39:15
I have a podcast called free to get home that I do with with Louis's radio partner, actually, Michael, where we go through classifieds and find ones to talk about I'd say that too bad plug for it, but really, there's no other way of putting it that's the shot.

Dan Ilic 39:32
Can I say it is a show that does talk as it quite like in the first five minutes incessantly so just be aware of that report is always filled with fans know freedom good home is one of the funniest podcasts in Australia it is an absolute Kak make sure you listen to it. So is the snort cast. And Lewis Sam Do you wanna plug anything you wanna plug like Australia.

Lewis Hobba 39:55
Candle lamp I'd like to windmill uh huh

Dan Ilic 40:09
Kylie Tink Kylie, what would you like to plug

Kylea Tink 40:12
I would like to plug everybody getting up and listening to you guys every week because I think it's good for the soul but also for people to really think about where they stand on the issues that we've had so much fun talking about tonight, you know, these are their big issues and it's our turn to stand up and make the difference when it comes to them. So get involved to get out there and don't just accept the status quo.

Dan Ilic 40:33
Thank you very much, Kylie. Really appreciate it. Big thanks to rode mics our Patreon supporters Jacob round. Also if you want to support Joe keeper who is keeping us alive head to rational fear.com or Indiegogo or anywhere on social media to find the link to Joe keeper. You know, we've only made 10% of our target for Joe keeper we still need $900,000 today. I want to thank our Patreon supporters, Karen Oregon Courtney James Julie Woods Jeremy shavon Claire Fran Miro, Matthew Damo, Paul Alistair Adam KB, Chris Ks and Claire and Dan ziffer also became a Patreon member this week so big thank you to all those new Patreon members. big thank you to you for listening. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of good night. Oh yes. Next week. Listen to Julius amuro. asks, Who cares? That's the first episode

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