Goose Ridge Soaps, LLC

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Today I'm talking with Kim and Janice at Goose Ridge Soaps, LLC. You can also follow on Facebook.

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This is Mary Lewis at A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Kim and Janice at Goose Ridge Soaps, LLC. I do not know what is wrong with my tongue this morning. Good morning, ladies. How are you? Good morning. Doing well.

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I'm good, except I hate it when I screw up the intro. It makes me mad. It's fine. It's always like goat rope. So which sometimes is accurate. Well on that note, my dad used to call people from the Midwest goat ropers. And he and my mom live in Maine. He's always lived in Maine and I live in Minnesota. So I am technically now a goat roper or a flood lander according to my dad. So go figs.

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All right, so tell me about yourselves and Goose Ridge Soaps. Yeah, well, Janice and I met a number of years ago in a different part of the state. So we're both Marylanders and we met in Western Maryland, which is a good two hours or so from where we had lived previously and where we live now. We were really into, or still are, really into kind of outdoor stuff, the homesteading type things, learning new skills.

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stuff our ancestors did that we've kind of all kind of sort of forgotten how to do, which is a shame. So there was a outdoor women's weekend where you do all kinds of things. You're doing everything from basket weaving to kayaking to fishing to trap shooting, archery, all kinds of just cool outdoor stuff. And she and I both attended this weekend, did not know each other. And I was actually in the process of selling the house I was currently living in and moving

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an hour and a half south and found out where I was moving to. That's where Janice was from. And we were going to be living a half, a half a mile, quite literally apart, which was hysterical. Um, and both being into the same types of outdoor activities and stuff like that. I mean, we just instantly became friends. So when I moved down to my new house, I had a built in friend already and we would get together and do stuff. I kept bees. So we would.

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We made canned applesauce. We got the honey from the beehives. We would go pawpaw picking because there was a pawpaw stand in the woods, a secret place near the river. We both lived at that point near the Potomac River. So we would do all kinds of fun things together. And one day I had been using.

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natural like real soap with lye and fats and oils like the old fashioned stuff. I just just had started using it didn't realize that it was a different feeling than what you buy in the store. And I thought, well, how do you make this? And I started researching and I called Janice up and I said, Hey, let's make soap. I got all the stuff. Come on over, bring a bottle of wine. So yeah, we

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She came over, we decided we were going to do this and we made a whole bunch of real soap that summer and gave it away as Christmas presents to friends and family that year and kept some for ourselves of course. But what we quickly found out was that other people, the people we gave the stuff to, they didn't realize there was a difference between real soap and commercially manufactured things that you bought at the store.

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everybody commented on how it was, it felt amazing on their skin and oh, you guys need to sell this and all that kind of thing. And at the time I was working full time, Janice was a stay at home mom who was, who was also house babysitting other people's kids and working part time doing stuff. So we were both really busy and we just kind of made it as a hobby and sold it on Facebook just to pay for ingredients. So that's kind of where it started.

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And then in 2019, I met my husband and I moved from Southern Maryland up to where we both actually live now. So a year later, Janice and her family sold their house and moved five minutes away up here and we decided to get the band back together and make our hobby an actual business. And so we formed our LLC in April of 2021. And it's been kind of a...

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you know, a whirlwind ever since. So that's, yeah. Okay. So your story defines, um, um, coincidence and serendipity. Oh, totally. Every step of the way. I, we, that's how it's sort of worked out for us. Yeah. It's been, it's, it's been interesting. Everything that that has happened with our business since we decided to make it a business, everything is just really,

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fallen into place when it needed to happen at the best time for us. And we've been really blessed in that respect that things have happened. And if things haven't happened, it's because we weren't ready for it yet. And it's been neat. It's been really neat. Okay. So are you guys like the only game in town for soaps and salves and things, or do you have competition?

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I believe we're the only ones that are doing it exactly how we're doing it. There are some other natural soap makers in the state that are a little bit bigger, that have been around longer, but we seem to be the only people that are – we're teaching soap making classes in the community and I don't think anybody else is doing that. We like to educate people and do things like career day at some of the local schools.

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We are in a lot of the local retail stores. I don't think anybody, there's some other small soap makers that are doing it at farmers markets as a hobby mainly. There's somebody, there's a company that's up in Hanover, Pennsylvania. They have their own facility, their own retail space and everything up there. Pretty large, but they're still just local. They don't reach outside, to my knowledge. They don't distribute in any.

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stores other than their own, but they do the same type of thing, the natural soaps. What's really nice is people are starting to realize that stuff feels better. And so there's a lot more soap makers coming on the scene, which I think is fabulous because people really didn't know or weren't paying attention, maybe. I'm not sure to what they were putting on their bodies. And people have found that getting back to the...

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for lack of a better word, ancestral formulations of things. You, nine times out of 10, fix a lot of the problems you experience. People who have eczema, oh, I break out when I use this, I go, and they go to the dermatologist, they get all these steroids and medications, and sometimes it's just as simple as getting rid of all the synthetic stuff and using something natural.

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You know, one of the things that we like about our brand in particular is that from the get-go, we have always used animal fats in our soap. And that is not something that most people do. We find most, not everybody, but the majority of soap makers we see, they're plant-based. They're using plant-based oils and butters. And as we kind of have seen lately, tallow-based skincare.

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stuff that's got animal fats and it's making a big resurgence. People are realizing, wow, this actually feels really so much better than anything else. And we've been doing it since we started as a hobby seven or so years ago, we've been using lard, animal fats. And we appreciate people who are vegan, who don't want to use those products, that is absolutely their choice. And we commend them for sticking with what they feel ethically and

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strong about. There are a lot of other soap makers who do make vegan plant-based soaps. We're just not one of them. I think that is what makes our brand stand out a little bit. Yeah. That's also all of the local soap makers that we have met for the most part. Everybody plays nice in the sandbox, so to speak, because everybody does it a little bit differently. There's plenty to go around. Most of us see each other as collaborators and friends, and we bounce ideas off one another.

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It really has been a refreshing kind of not really a super competitive thing. Yeah. I mean, like she said with the vegan soaps, there are people out there that do that. And when we have customers that express a desire for vegan soaps, we can refer them to those people. We try to use natural colorants, for example. There's other soap makers that like to do more artistic things with brighter colors. That's what someone's looking for. We refer them to those people.

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Yeah, it's a collaboration more than a competition really. Very nice. I'm impressed because I'm going to say this again, women tend to help each other up, help each other move forward. And I don't know if all the soap makers or whatever are all female, but women, women tend to want to be part of a community and lift each other up. So it's not, like you said, it's not a

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competition, it's a collaboration. Right. So, where do you guys source your ingredients from? Oh my, good question. Because of the size of what we're producing now, a lot of our ingredients come from bulk suppliers of oils and butters and things like that. But, the goat milk and the cow's milk that we use in our soap, we source locally. So we have two

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people who raise dairy goats that we get our milk from. I have goats, but they're all weathers. So, you know, milking them is a little awkward. Just a titch, yeah. Just a little bit. So we have two people that we source goat milk from that are in within probably 30 minutes of us. And then the cow's milk, the majority of it comes, my younger sister has a Jersey hobby, if you will.

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And she's a veterinarian. She has a practice in Pennsylvania, which is not that far from us. Um, cause we're up in the Northern kind of area in Maryland. Um, so the majority of our cow's milk comes from her. Uh, but in a pinch, my neighbors are dairy farmers. So we, we get that locally as well. Um, the, I'm trying to think some of the herbs and things that we use, like the comfrey, the calendula, some of the botanicals, lavender buds.

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Oh yeah, jewelweed and cornflower, if we've had enough of it. My farm is 45 acres, so a lot of that we either grow or we forage for at my place. And the jewelweed, we go every June or July and we go get jewelweed while it's still pulpy down in the woods and we...

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macerate that and use that in one of our soaps for poison ivy. So we try to source things as locally as possible. The Lardy even now, we have found a couple of local processors to where, I mean, it's a byproduct of an industry that exists anyway, so why not support a local industry instead of buying it from, you know, a big manufacturer or something like that. So we try to source as much locally as possible. Definitely. Can we, can we, I'm going to...

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Jewelweed. I love jewelweed. I'm so glad you brought it up. Oh, yeah. I live in Minnesota and my husband and my son have been trying to get the gardens in, but it's been raining every other day here. Yeah. Yeah. Six inches of rain between yesterday afternoon and this morning. Wow. We've had a wet spring here too, like really wet spring, but geez. Yeah. It's a big mud puddle out there right now.

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But getting back to why I want to talk about jewelweed, I had made some jewelweed bombs two years ago, maybe three years ago, and stuck them in a Ziploc in their lip balm tubes and they're all sealed up and whatever. So I have like, bleep tubes. And pulled one out last year because we had some wasps hanging around and jewelweed actually helps with bee stings. And so because it's been so wet,

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We've had an insurgence of mosquitoes this spring. Husband and son were out working outside the other day and my son came in. He's like, do we have any jewelweed sticks? And I thought it was funny. He called them that. And I said, we do ones on the shelf in the kitchen. And he grabbed it and rubbed it all over the mosquito bites. And I said, does it help? And within seconds he was like, Oh, the itch is so much better.

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us if it helps things other than poison ivy and we also put camphor in the jewelweed soap so we're not really sure if it's the jewelweed or the camphor but people will ask us but then we have other customers that come back and go oh this works for everything that itches so that's interesting that's interesting yeah and the other thing is if you make it into a balm it moisturizes your skin where you might have already scratched yeah I love it new product do it do it

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Thanks for that idea. The other thing that I do with jewelweed, and I lost my source a couple of years ago because we had been in a drought the last three summers and jewelweed wants its feet very wet. So I finally found a neighbor who had some jewelweed and she was like, come cut it. I don't do anything with it. I was like, oh, thank you. Jesus. Thank you. And so last August, I think it was my...

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My husband cut me a whole bunch of stems and I cut them up in pieces and I let them soak in almond oil, sweet almond oil. Oh, okay. I have a quart jar full of jewelweed sweet almond oil in my dark pantry right now. I will be making more. But the good news about that is that you can just use that oil too. I don't even have to make it into a stick. I even tell people if they want to go forage for it.

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smash it all up. We this is what we do when we're going to make the soap we cut it we we harvest it when it's still pulpy because it's it's when it's still pulpy and the stems that's what's really got the good stuff in it. So we tell people to harvest it up when it's pulpy about the size around of your pinky and cut it into pieces. And then we steep it in a tea in distilled water and then siphon out or not siphon but um

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Strain. Strain. Thank you. Strain out solids and then we pour it into ice cube trays and freeze it so we always have it. But then we tell people, do that. Pop an ice cube out, rub it on whatever, put it back in the freezer. And if people don't want to mess with the oils and stuff like that, it makes it really easy. Plus the ice cube just feels good anyway. Yeah. I'm so glad you mentioned jewelweed because I haven't really talked about it on the podcast with anyone because I keep...

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forgetting that it exists, number one, because it's such a back of my hand thing. Right, right. And someone brought up crocheting like three weeks ago and hadn't talked about crocheting either. I was like, because I'm so close to the things that I do, I don't think to say anything until someone brings it up. Right, it's muscle memory. People being aware of jewelweed has really gotten better over the last couple of years, because when we first started making this soap,

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the majority of people had never even heard of it. Lately, a lot of people have heard of it. People come to us going, I heard you are the ones that make the jewelweed soap. Do you have any? It's just hilarious. You know, it's nice though. Yeah. I did an essential oil last summer and I can't for the life of me remember what I blended together, but I called it Bug Off. Oh yeah. Because it does, it really helps with the mosquitoes and the

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the gnats and the noceums and the blackflies. And somebody read the label and just laughed. And I said, it's not to keep people away, it's to keep bugs away. Yeah, we had somebody tell us recently that our lemongrass soap works really well as a bug repellent. And I said, huh, never thought about that. Never thought it would stay on your skin long enough. Once you wash, never thought that it would linger long enough to make a difference there. But they...

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They claimed that it really helped repel bugs. I was like, okay, that's a bonus. Yeah, I love lemongrass. Lemongrass is the best essential oil ever for an actual lemon, true lemon scent. Yeah, yeah, very true. And it sticks better. It's funny you bring that up. We use lemon and lime and lemongrass in soap making and the lemon and the lime, anything that's a citrus.

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essential oil, it doesn't stick well. It doesn't hang around well. So there's things you have, little tricks you have to do to bind it. So we'll use like kale and clay and make a slurry with the essential oils and let it sit. And then we use that, that slurry to, as the, when we put it in the soap batter for the fragrance, because it'll help hold it longer. But yeah, that was,

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It's very strong and I love the smell of it. Janice loves the smell of it. And, you know, it helps kind of give it that little extra kick when you need it too. Have you guys used the sweet orange oil for soaps? We have and again, it doesn't hold. So we were starting to get like the 5X concentrated stuff, but the price of everything, as you probably noticed, olive oil, everything is getting out.

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outrageous. So, and 5X orange essential oil is almost priced itself out of the equation. So we're going back to using a slurry with the kaolin clay to hold that orange and switching back to the sweet orange because it's less expensive. It's not as concentrated, you know, so you either need to use more of it or you have to find a way to get it to stick in the scent. It doesn't change the profile of what we're doing at all, but you definitely have to use some tricks to make it work.

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Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I don't I don't know a lot about making soap my husband and I started doing it years ago because like you were saying It feels different than store-bought soap and I got itchy from store-bought soap and I said, will you please can we please make? Cold process lye soap because I had bought a bar From someone who made it and loved it. And so we're not we're not experts we just kind of play at it when we make it mm-hmm and

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I found a peony fragrance oil. It's not an essential oil, it's a fragrance oil. And it's really weird because the fragrance oil is usable in soap, but it's also usable in candles. So this weekend, my husband was at the first farmers market and a woman and her 10-year-old daughter walked up to the table and they were smelling the peony candle. My husband had actually brought some real live...

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blooms from peonies to sell. Oh, wow. And the little girl was smelling the peony candle and he pointed toward the bucket with the peonies in it and said, smell those and tell me if the candle smells exactly like those. And she of course walked over, picked up one of the peonies, sniffed it and went, oh, it smells exactly like the candle. And I thought, oh, thank God. Yeah, right. Yeah. Sometimes things go sideways. Yeah. And then she was intrigued with the flowers and her mom was like, do you want a flower?

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And the little girl said, yes. And so she ended up buying a peony stem for $5. And I thought, man, peonies are a dime a dozen here in the Midwest, but he just sold a peony for $5. And that's awesome. Point being is that you can make things smell like the actual thing that they're supposed to smell like.

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Yep. Yep. We found, you know, we use predominantly essential oils to scent our soap, but Janice tells people this all the time. Sometimes you can't quite get what you're trying to do with just essential oil blends or the essential oils you have to use are so outrageously expensive. Nobody's going to buy a $40 bar of soap.

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The one I always like to explain to people is in the fall, everybody wants a pumpkin spice soap. There is no pumpkin spice essential oil. So the only way you're going to get that is with a fragrance oil. We just try to use good quality fragrance oil. Yeah. Yeah, us too. And we made a mistake. We made soap with a pumpkin spice fragrance oil that wasn't soap safe. Oh no. So we have like 14 bars sitting on the drying rack in my bedroom.

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that are basically a year old and they don't smell like anything now. So they're probably going to end up going in the trash. Right. That's heartbreaking, isn't it? Yes. But my bedroom smelled so good when they were first curing. My bedroom smelled like pumpkin spice. I was like, I don't even love pumpkin spice, but this smells really good. When we used to make the soap, we started out in my kitchen.

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down in Southern Maryland and all the soap would cure at my house. So I never needed air fresheners. And then when we both moved up here, we were making the soap in Janice's basement at her house. You'd walk in the front door and could smell it. And now we're in our own shop. And people walk in and go, oh, it smells so amazing. We don't even smell it anymore. Yeah, it's totally nose blind. It's funny. And in order to smell something, we have to step out. We have to carry something outside.

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and smell it because otherwise it just doesn't register for us anymore. It's, you know, it's kind of funny. And when we leave, we'll, we'll smell our clothes will smell like the shop and we get people stopping us all the time. Oh, where did you just come from? You smell amazing. It's a little awkward. Well, at least that you smell amazing and not you stink. Right. Well, that's true. It could be worse. We could work for a septic company. Yeah. But it's so so. Or at a hog farm. Yeah. Just to do that.

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Yeah. Okay. So clearly you guys love what you're doing because it's just ringing through my headphones. Oh, we do. Yeah, for sure. Good. Because part of the reason I wanted to do this podcast is because I wanted to talk to people who love what they're doing. And pretty much everybody says they do. Yeah. It's well, for me personally,

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I'm a really, my brain is a very creative brain. So I always have to be learning something new, trying something new, creating something. And Janice is this always wanting new knowledge. She's always wanting to have a different experience and learn something. And so this worked really well. And we just got to where we loved doing it so much and it just kept growing legs. You talked about the serendipity earlier.

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Every step of the way, it just got a little bit bigger and a little bit bigger and it wanted to go this direction or that direction. So we just let it. It was never about making money. It really wasn't. We were just selling it to support our habit. We enjoy what we're doing and it's also nice at our ages to be able to just work for ourselves. Yeah. That's big. Yes. It's a lot of work and it's a lot more hours.

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but there's something to be said for being your own boss. Yeah. There sure is. There's lots to be said for it. And I keep going, why did I retire from my, you know, nine to five and do this full-time two years ago? Now it's 24 hours a day, but it's when it's something you're passionate about and that you really, really love, it doesn't feel like work, honestly. It doesn't. And you can't stop thinking about it. I actually had my first anxiety dream.

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about the podcast the other night. And I've been doing this for nine months now, I think. Wow. First anxiety dream ever. And it was that I had overbooked myself and had five interviews scheduled for the same hour time slot. We can identify with those anxiety dreams for sure. And just raging intrusive anxiety thoughts all the time. Yeah. We can identify.

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Yeah, but if we didn't care, probably wouldn't have those dreams. So it shows how much we care about what we do. Yep. And we've even like, one of the things that was really important to us was what Janice touched on earlier, teaching people about the difference between what we're making and what you're buying on Amazon or at Walmart or anything like that when you're just going in and plucking something off the shelf and you turn it over to go read the ingredients and you have to have a decoder ring.

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And so it was really important for us, and it still is, to just educate people about what these ingredients are, what they do, just because it's synthetically made does not mean it's evil. You know, we want it, we stress that. It doesn't mean it's evil, and you're not bad if that's what you use. It's just understand what you're using and how your skin or hair could react to some of those ingredients. And if you don't know what those ingredients are,

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how can you know how it's affecting you? And so between teaching hands-on classes in the shop and then every other week we do a soap lady chat, we go live on our Facebook and it's an educational piece where we talk about deciphering labels, we talk about natural ingredients that we use in our product. Like we just did one about marshmallow root. You wanna talk about really cool herbs and things to use. It has great.

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benefits for your gut health, it's got great benefits for your hair. So we put it in one of our shampoo bars that we make. And we talk about those kinds of things, why we use it, how you can use it, and the fact that it's something you can go out and you can either grow it or forage for it. We just think that's super cool. And we like to teach people. And one of the things that I really like about the classes is just the range of the people that are taking classes. For example,

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Some people might just want to do it as a very minor hobby for just for their household. And that's okay. They don't have to get super into the science and the math and the technicalities of it. And then other people really want to learn as much as they can and formulate their own recipes. And I like that it can go to either end of that spectrum. It's not for any just one group of people. It can be for the whole range.

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Yeah. Absolutely. I love the fact that all this making stuff allows you to be as in-depth and as creative as you want to be. Yeah. Yeah. You can take it every which direction. And that's when we first started learning, we were just copying other people's recipes, just getting used to.

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the process and people get really, and we were this way, people get really weirded out and really scared when they start mixing and playing with lie. I mean, that's a scary thing. And so we like to be able to do that with them and they get comfortable where they're like, okay, this wasn't as scary as I thought, you know, everything on the internet tells you, oh, it's this, it's that, it's so, it's so caustic. Yeah, it is for sure, but you don't need to be scared of it if you know how to handle things properly.

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And so when we first started, we were just using other people's recipes to get used to how everything moved, how everything worked, you know, get used to the technique itself. Then very, very quickly, the creative brains took over and decided we needed to really start playing with our own formulations. And then you start learning about chemistry. That's super fun.

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You know, and it's been neat. You know, we go, oh, let's make something that has these properties. What oils can we use that'll give us those properties? And you start researching all the different oils and all the different additives you can put in to get something that feels a particular way for your face, your body, your hair, you know, and then you test it. That's the fun part is when we do testers. Experiment. And then, yeah, and then we give it out. We'll test it on ourselves.

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We'll give it to people and go, what do you think? Give us some feedback. That's really fun. I like that part. Yeah. I love that part too. And even if we're not going to sell something, I always end up sharing something new that we made with friends. Cause I'm just like, try this. Let me know what you think. Yep. We've done the same thing. We're, we're working on a couple of different recipes and we're working on a tallow soap and we made a bunch of different.

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iterations, different formulations that Talos open. We've just been handing it out to our friends, go and tell us what you think. Here's the three different recipes. You come back to me, tell me what you think of each of them. You know, and, and we've had recently had a woman who's asked us about making the purple shampoo bars for gray hair. So we're going to start the process of formulating that using 100% natural stuff. So, you know, no

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no synthetic color dyes or anything. We're going to figure out how to do that with things like alkanet root powder or purple clay to see if that actually makes a difference in gray hair and brassiness. So it's solving a problem. I don't know. It's fun to noodle it out and see what you can come up with that's natural to solve the problems people are coming to you with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have to watch and see how that goes because...

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I have been going gray since I was 14 years old and I'm about three quarters white and a quarter black now. Wow. My sister, my younger sister is totally gray. I've got a little bit through my temples. I don't know why I'm not as gray as she is. She's three years younger. She's totally gray. So she's definitely going to have to test this shampoo as well. Yeah. Let's see. Yeah. And because my hair that is going, quote unquote, gray, is actually white.

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It's really interesting because when I wash it, you know, when it's just washed, it is snow white. Wow. And my parents took photos of me at the family, well not the family cemetery, but the cemetery where my grandparents are buried. Back in 2014, we were there visiting. And I was standing in the sun. And I swear to you, it looks like I have a halo around my head.

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because that white hair just reflects all the light back. I remember this older woman, her name was Alma Robinson. She went to my church when I was a kid and she had the most beautiful snow white hair. And she was an older woman. And I'm not saying, I was a kid and she was 30, you know? Yeah, yeah. Perspective. But she was probably in her 80s and had the most, and I used to sit there in church and just hope.

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that when I got older, my hair was that pretty. I used to love her hair so much. Oh, like you said, it was like a halo, it just glowed. It was beautiful. I loved it. Yeah, I really wish that mine would just finish transitioning because this pepper in a lot of salt is not great. I'm not loving it. But eventually I'll be old enough that it will all be white. There you go, yeah. I have my dad and my dad's mom.

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to thank for this because my dad's mom was going gray very early. Oh, wow. And then my dad had a patch that started really early. And then when I was 14, my friends kept leaning in while they're talking to me to pluck a white hair out of the streak that was coming in. And I'm like, just leave it alone. And they were like, why? And I said, because nine more grow in for the one-year poll.

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Its friends will rally. Yes, please don't pull them. Leave them be. Because if I pulled every white hair I had, I would have had a inch wide streak across the top of my head from, I don't know, 18 till I was about 40. Wow. Yeah, neither one of my parents went gray early, so I'm not sure where it's coming from with my sister. It's got to be somewhere in there. But yeah, I just...

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I hope that when everything starts to change with my hair that it's going to be as pretty as Alma Robinson's hair was. Yeah. And I'm going to tell you a secret. Pretty becomes not as important once you get over 50. Well, we're both. I'm over 50. Janice, close. Okay. Being clean and being presentable is awesome. But that whole got us spruce up to go out in public thing.

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It's, I don't think it's as important. I think that you, you need to be presentable and you need to be kind. That's what I think. Yeah. I agree with you. We're barely presentable most of the time. I guess. That's not so important, but I just want my hair to be, I don't know why I want my hair to be snow white when I'm older. I have no idea why. And I like winter. Well, if you perfect the shampoo bar, you'll be all set. There you go. Perfect.

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Perfect motivation. Yeah, why not? All right, ladies, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me. And I love that we got to talk about. Thank you for having us. Love that we got to talk about jewelweed and shampoo bars and lye soap and all the things I love. Yes, thank you so much for having us. It was fun. Yeah, it always is. I keep hearing from everybody, this was really fun. And I'm gonna toot my own horn. This is really fun to do.

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I really do love talking with you guys. Yes. I've listened to a good many of your previous podcasts. You definitely really enjoy it and it's nice. It's fun to listen to. Good, because I would hate if it sucked. That would make me very sad. Yeah, very true. All right. Have a fantastic day in Maryland. Thank you. You have a fantastic day in Minnesota. Okay, thanks. Bye.