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Ep. 13: How Do You Embrace Career Power and Balance Work-Life?

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Episode 13

SPEAKERS
Ruby, Lindsay

Lindsay 00:00

I'm Lindsay Mustain, and this is the career design podcast made for driven ambitious square pegs and round holes type professionals who see things differently and challenge the status quo. We obliterate obstacles and unlock hidden pathways to overcome and succeed where others have not stagnation feels like death. And we are unwilling to compromise our integrity and settle for being average in any way. We are the backbone of any successful business and those who overlook our potential are doomed to a slow demise. We do work that truly matters aligns with our purpose, and in turn, we make our lasting mark on the world. We are the dreamers, doers, legends, and visionaries who are called to make our most meaningful contribution and love what we do.
Lindsay 00:42
I'm so excited that you are here.
Lindsay 00:48
I just gotta say, Ruby, I asked Ruby to be on here after getting to hear her talk about some pieces here. And we want to talk a little bit about a few things today. I want to talk about the concept of career power and the quadrants around those four quadrants inside of career power. And ultimately, how do you balance career power and work-life balance? So that you, how do you how do you do those two things? And then how do you move the needle? And why you're looking for answers in the wrong place? And then how do you get really intentional around career design? Now, I want to start Ruby, why don't you just tell me a little bit about who you are. Because I'm gonna tell you what, I see Ruby's content on anything, I'm just blown away, which is why I was like, please, please, please come here and, and sit with me and talk. Let's talk about this. And she does talk for Women's Day. It was on Women's Day, right? I was like, I'm pretty sure I was gonna say unless I'm making things up. That really blew us away all of us inside a tele paradigm, which is why we decided to say tap your shoulder and say, Come here and share your genius with us. So tell me, tell me a little bit about yourself and your background. And why did they ask you to talk about this on women's day?

Ruby 02:00

Yeah, so well, thanks for having me here. I'm super excited. And I've been a huge fan of yours for so long. I just really honored and privileged to be here today. So a little about me, I spent most of my career in corporate I spent about 15 years in corporate doing sales roles, sales, training, sales enablement. And then what happened was I got laid off. And at that time, I had just completed a one-year coaching program. And I decided to shift gears a little bit, and develop myself as a coach. And so for the last about us, almost six years now I think I've been coaching and so I've worked with organizations, nonprofits, and then one on one coaching, specifically, mostly, I would say, for women who are purpose-driven, transitioning, and really are just looking for the next step, they know that there's something more out there for them. I'm also a mom and I have two boys. And so we're kind of juggling. As we talk about work-life balance, we're kind of juggling a lot right now with remote learning and you know, working from home, and then just managing all the other, you know, bits and pieces that come up in life.

Lindsay 03:12

Goodness, yes, I feel like this last year has been quite a test of either our patience and resiliency in both parenting and managing our careers. And a shout out to all of those that are out there that are managing this as a parent, whether male or female. But I definitely have noticed in the mom front that that is there's been a lot of energy. And that's, that's taken a lot of time. In fact, I will say that on my own, I've neglected a lot of self-care. And I think it's so important, especially now because you can't ever expect anyone to put you first if you don't put yourself first right like really that truly has to happen. If you want somebody to see the value in you, you have to be willing to put up self-care practice and it's not taking a bubble bath. I really used to think that for a while I was like, Oh, I get you to know, I get a pedicure, and I take a bubble bath and that or have a glass of wine, which I don't even know that really counts. But that's not really true self-care. Tell me how do you define self-care? What is your what's your philosophy around that?

Ruby 04:12

Yeah, I always kind of laugh when I hear bath. I mean, that's just basic hygiene, right?

Lindsay 04:20
Now and I love it if I'm really honest. So

Ruby 04:24
I think you know, the whole work-life balance conversation, I feel like it's the wrong one that we're having. I think most people think about work-life balance in terms of, you know, how, how do they manage it like, it's almost like a tug of war. It's like this tension between your work and your life. And in a game like a tug of war. There's always a loser, right? There's always a loser. And I think that's how a lot of people feel when they're trying to manage all the different parts of their life. And so I think that the conversation that we could be getting in and I think what really excites me is the one about like, how do you make your life work for you? Right? So it's a, it's at a different level. It's a bigger conversation. This is about intentionality. It's about values. It's about priorities. It's about choices. And what kind of choices are you making in alignment with how you want to live? You know, and I think it's also bringing in purpose like, what is your purpose? How does that feed into your work? How does that show up everywhere you go,

Lindsay 05:28
Rich's saying he loves Ruby's energy. I'm gonna say hi to Rick and Richard and rich here. And guys, if you are watching, please, please say hi, Yvonne is here. And he says work-life blend and integration is key. I love that integration. I think when people are like one has to win or the other. It's kind of like a work-life balance. There's no such thing. Like if you're carrying a phone around in your pocket, guess what, you probably have your email on your phone, which means that you are working all the time. So you really have to choose how to integrate the two. And I think this last year has definitely been an experience and that and some of it has, I've definitely learned a lot. What do you think are some of the things that you would say, in prioritizing that self-care idea, and I say it's a practice because it's never gonna be perfect. It's always great being continuing. And it's not just one thing. Like Bree asked me, she's like, what are you doing for three hours and your self-care practice? And she would say like that I'm adding it for my effect, but I'm like, let me walk you through what I do. Because in order for me to be willing to fight and win at the end of the day, especially to be able to give back to my kids. I needed some self-care. So what would you say are some of the things that you've learned in the last year?
Ruby 06:40
I think it goes to priorities. I think that's what I've learned. I've learned that work-life balance it, that it's work life integration, and I love that. Vaughn brought that up. That's the word that I always use is is really about integration, right? It's about designing. It's about intentionality. And so I think what I've done is really look at like, I've had to reshift I just had to reshift things I've had to manage my expectations. I think that's a huge part of this work. Life integration is like managing expectations, having boundaries, saying no, I think, you know, it's, it's definitely different, because we're cooped up. And so, you know, we're attached to our computers and our cell phones all the time. So we have to be intentional about shutting things down. You know, if you have an office door that you can shut, it's like, when you're done with your work, you shut the door, and you don't go back in taking breaks, getting outside and getting fresh air. So I think there are a lot of ways that we can do that. I feel like that's what I've had to do is, is just kind of shift expectations, not just for myself, but even as a single mom with kids, shifting their expectations of how things are going to go because we all have to work together a little more, now that we're all at home.
Lindsay 07:51
So true, I always like to say with my clients Come as you are, and that might be in your pajamas. And I might mean your children interrupt us seven times, which are normal in some cases of mine. Because really, we have to understand and embrace that people are human first. And I think that's one of the biggest failings that we make as leaders and leaders of large companies is that we seem to think people are there that use drones or clones that they can come in, and they just produce work. And we forget that they have a reason for being there, which is their family, their life at the end of the day. And that's their priority. That's why they work. And that has to be something that we honor for them as well and allows them the space to be human. And that I think has been a huge lesson that there's a lot of things in the pandemic that has not really been great lessons, but that one I think was a really big gift that was given to us.

Ruby 08:40

Yeah, and I love what you say about being human rights because I think as leaders we have an opportunity to really set the tone that we are human beings we're not human doings we're human being's rights.

Lindsay 08:56
I love this being said, is learning to say no means riches, saying that means that you can say yes to things that are important. Yeah. True. Whenever you're saying yes to something you are immediately saying no to something else because we are more limited by the constraints of our time. Now I do believe that time can expand and contract. If you've ever a little bit of science Einstein says about relativities like if you sit with a pretty woman that that can seem like an hour seemed like five minutes or if you sit on a hot stove 10 seconds can feel like 10 hours. So that same idea I think is really big here as well. I do want to talk a little bit about kind of the quadrants around career power because a lot of this the intentionality, when we talk about intentional career design, which is what tells what I really specialize in, is how do we create our best possible life the best possible outcomes, our highest level dreams and without any of the conditioning that society has given us about what we should do or who we should be or, or what your if you do this, then this is all you'll get. We have a lot of conditioning that happens in there. And I want always To think about the ascension to your highest self, what you really truly came to do in your time here on this planet, like what is it that your calling is meant to be. And that calling is what we talked about his career power. And career power for us really divides into four quadrants. And the very first part of it is passion. Passion is so very important for you to understand because what when people, when they get to the place where they're really sick, and they can't even go to work, they're so their energy is absolutely drained. And then like you have, you've heard, like, go home, kick the dog, yell at your wife, whatever. That is a place when we are not aligned into power and to our passion. Now, there I have passions, too, that is not necessarily something that I'm going to monetize as a career. Like, I would love to pet puppies and kittens all day, I actually joked a little bit of Ruby, I was like, I think I could do that if we just said, like I was actually going to the part of the package was that you were going to also get while you coached with me. And that could be a way where I could actually use it. And that's just a creative idea of where I was like, here's how, where we sometimes think about things and we're like, oh, that's a self-limiting belief. But our passions, we really need to understand what is it that energizes us what gives us energy, because when we're in a place where energy is unlimited, and abundance, that's where we manifest from, that's where we can create our own reality. And I say intentional career design because the only person who can really truly decide what they want in their career and choose to go after it is you you can't wait for your spouse, you can't wait for me, you can't wait for the recruiter or the hiring manager or your company or your boss. To do this for you, you really have to understand what you want. Otherwise, your vehicle as a career and you're in the passenger seat, you're letting somebody else drive and it's not one of those Tesla's that's driving on its own. It's, it's somebody else's driving that career. And it's why we get disappointed and burned out, we literally run out of our gas, because we forget to go to a place of power, so and that that's really around passion. The second quadrant is about purpose, okay. And so the purpose is when we tap into the idea that we take everything that we've experienced in our life, everything that we've actually had to happen to us. And we use that and all the skills and all the knowledge, skills, abilities, and strengths and the things that we've learned both personally and professionally. And we realize we've been tapped literally some sort of tap on our shoulder to make a larger contribution, we've been tapped to do something that means something bigger. And I'm going to say the likelihood of people ascending to this level, it's a higher level of the hierarchy of needs is kind of the idea of after we've reached the level of esteem and go Google this if you haven't seen it, but we look for beauty, and that's really the place where we get into purpose is when we start to look for purpose, and we choose to move into like a self-actualization model. And the understanding purpose is that there is something likely that you can tie a string through from the very beginning of your life until now, there's been a theme, there's been something that's happened to you over and over and over again, where you become the very best at one, something that's really one thing. And you might be multifaceted. So I don't want to exclude that you might have a lot of facts, most of our high potential people that are multi-passionate, and that's actually a good thing. But it just tracks from getting into purpose, because they can't pick what they're supposed to do. But there is a string. And that's what I talked about intentional career design is aligning passion into that place of purpose, where this is actually where I create easily, and I do something that allows me to make my greatest contribution. And that's the place where we get into purpose. Okay. Now, if you can get to that point, that's pretty freak in fantastic. Okay, that's pretty fantastic. After that, then this is where we got really into the transcendence model of going into what is self-actualization really looked like in the last two promotions. The last third part is the pursuit of it. And this is where people get really confused because they're waiting for something like a sign from the universe, like, Hey, this is what you're supposed to do. So I think I said something today, that will make sense. If you are looking for an answer from somebody else, you will never get it. And you'll never get the right answer. If you do, okay, and you know this because you can check in right now. And think about all the stories that somebody has told you about who you are, or what you should do, and how that did not work out for you, and how that eliminated your passion, it eliminated your ambition, it's made you play small, it made you fearful. Those things I want you to think about that and I want you to turn inside and go. The answer is really truly in me of where I want to go. The pursuit of it. It comes through a very deliberate process of what we really call the ascension into career power. And it goes through several different milestones. So like when I think about this, I'm talking about how do we talk about how do you be in the business of you how to be in the business. Ruby eight, right? What is it that we need to do to market ourselves to take care of ourselves? Those are the beginning Foundation, actually, the very, very first one is that one, you have to believe you're worth it. And the second one is you have to really take action to invest in yourself as a self-care practice. So that's why I say like the pursuit, in order to do the pursuit, self-care has to come first. If you do not take care of yourself, how can anybody ever expect a return from the investment they will make on you, you will burn out. So if you think about it like a million-dollar racehorse, I'm going to quote Myron golden here who is an amazing mindset coach. He says, What do you see them feeding them? Do you think they get off days? Do you think they get places where we've got like, say, like, go get a big back like, no, this horse is being every day, it has a regiment of rest of nutrition, of hydration, of training of exercise, that is the beginning of the pursuit into the ascension of career power? So the rest of it comes through things like building your narrative around your career, understanding what's most marketable about you, understanding who to connect to, and how to really sell yourself at the highest level so that in turn, people see you as something that they can invest in and see a massive return on investment. That's the truth. And that's the last part, which is profitability. And how you do that is by becoming the candidate choice, or what we call a purple squirrel. Those are the four quadrants of career power. And that's really where it comes in. Because the foundation of self-care and self-care practice, not not, not one time, this is an ongoing thing. That's where we really get to the place where we recognize our true value. Because until we recognize it, no one else can actually see it for you.

Ruby 16:40
Yeah, and I think one of the things I love that you say is, it's really about who we're being. So it's like, who do I need to be in order to create the results and the outcome? And the life that I want?

Lindsay 16:53
Yes, who do I need it? Oh, my gosh, I love that to create the outcome that I want. This is where people are like, I want to do this. And I'm like, are you investing time and money into building yourself up? I was like if you want somebody to invest time and money to building you, you got to do it first. Okay. And so I've always say like, if you want to nickel your diamond way through life, then that's what people are going to return to you because we embody the energy of what we believe about ourselves. So if you think, okay, I can't afford to do this, or I don't have the time to do this, then guess what nobody can be able to afford you or have time for you. That really actually how is how it resonates and how it manifests and energy out in the world. And you can tell this when you're like, Okay, I feel frenetic, I feel anxious, I'm, I come into an interview, and I'm desperate for the result. And they're like, I don't know about this at all. Like, I'm not sure at all about who you are what you have to offer, versus a place where you're powerful. And you say you know what, and we call this being an F with a bowl, I'm not gonna say it because there are some requirements around LinkedIn live. But that phrase is what really, really resonates is that I am in charge of me, I'm the Sovereign of me, I get to choose what I experienced, I get to choose what I allow, I choose what I tolerate, I choose what I design, and that you're not playing a victim in your life. And this is I'm going to say that I fell victim to that a lot of my life, I felt like everybody else controls. And then when I finally understood that I was the one who created everything that I am not a product of my conditions. But I am a product of my decisions. Life really started working for me and everything about you up until this point, even if you felt like you've been limited and kept small. It was a necessary part of your path so that you can hear me now to say it's time to step into your power. So saying that Ruby, what do you think you would give some pieces of advice around how do you get into that intentionality? How do you get into that place where you feel your power so that you can be the thing that people seek out and desire?
Ruby 18:54
Yeah, I think, you know, what is it? I think these are very simple exercises. I think sometimes we overcomplicate it, but I actually think it's really simple. We just need the space is what it is we need space, and to be able to actually think about these things. So I think one thing is writing down what are your values just actually on a piece of paper writing down a list of what are the things that are most important to you? Another thing is like thinking about what value what are the values that you have, right and looking at that list, and then thinking about and then kind of comparing it to how you're spending your day? Like are you spending your time according to your values? So I think it's a lot of self-awareness that needs to go on and really taking a look at within and then it's what needs to shift right. So once you start to see patterns when once you start to see identify areas that are gaps, what needs to shift, what do you need to say no to what you know, how do you need to reset expectations? And so you just go back to that being is like okay if this is the life that I really want, you know, who do I need to be to produce that? And? And what a person that gets that type of results? What would they be doing? How would they be showing up in the world? How would they be managing their time?

Lindsay 20:13
Oh, I love that so much. I think one of the things that a lot of people who follow me know that my brother was murdered in 2019. And it's hard to find any kind of reason for this. But one of the things that my gift of my brother's passing gave me was a complete evaluation of what I was really doing. And you know, what I was doing is I was hustling, I was hustling, I was hustling, I was hustling. I was trying, I was saying this was for my kids and what I was doing not spending any time with my kids. I was not doing the work of what I said was most important. And a lot of times when we're looking at how do we get into purpose, we say, Oh, this is what I want to be, but our actions and what we choose and you choose it, okay, like you're choosing to watch Game of Thrones or not, okay? Like you choose whether or not those actions actually align with what you said your value is. And so that that is I love that thought is that how do I embody the person? I also like to say, think about what you want to be like, if you were to imagine without any of the BS that you have integrated into your mind from people like your family, your spouse, your people who you've worked with your bosses, your leadership, if all those things and said what is it that I really want to do? Like, I wanted to be a CEO, I get done. Okay, done. I had to create it myself. I didn't wait for anybody to do it for me. So but what is it that at the very highest level? Because a little girl who was homeless from Missouri shouldn't be able to do that? Right? Like, that's a false belief. That's why I'm asking you to check it. What is it that you want to do? Okay, now that you have that in your mind, go and the backward planet? If I want to be this, who do I need to be today? Who do I need to show up and be right now and it's a very deliberate decision. I love this. Ruby says persona power Also, I want to give a little shout out to Brian who said, I'm he said sorry to sound old, please don't ever apologize for being experienced in the world that brings something very valuable to the table plus, we love Brian. So um, it's we have to be more engaged in this and, and life is very different than it was like and then when I think about my dad who worked for the same company for 20 years, like that was a point of pride today that will get you penalized. You need to really continue to be in the business again of Lindsay Inc, of whatever it is that you want to do. And objectively look at if I want to achieve this in my career, what steps Am I willing to make now that are going to create a better future, not what I should have done, and I talk a lot about shooting because shooting also starts with shame. And I'm gonna use the knock that stuff off, okay, because you're shitting. And what I have is a place of self-shame and guilt. And that energy that doesn't allow us to be at our highest self, the place where we really, truly can create the life that we want. We have to really start one self-care, self-care so important, but to calm that inner state so that we don't feel like we have chaos. We don't feel like we have chaos. I love this. Lindsey Craig, thank you so much, Richard, that means so much to me. But we don't want that chaotic environment should be reflected externally. Go ahead, I'm sorry,
Ruby 23:20
I'm just gonna say to you know, and we do talk about self-care a lot. And I think that's so important. But I also think there is a component that we don't talk about, and that's collective care. Community Care is what I call it. And this is what I have found so valuable in is finding communities that can support you, I know that it's been so helpful to me that when you are stuck, when you are in that spiral of shame, it's having people that are gonna back you up that are gonna say, I believe in you, you know, you might not see your greatness right now because you're feeling bad, but I see it and reflect that and that can be so powerful. And so I think that part of self-care is having are created if you don't have it, create it, find those people find the board of directors, but find your cheerleaders that are going to back you up during those difficult times. Because let's face it, we're all going to have those times where life happens. It gets hard, we're going to need someone to help lift us up and I get to do it for someone else too.
Lindsay 24:14
Yes, I don't pay it forward always right. In fact, I always like to say give before you plan to receive like if you always give with an open heart you tend to receive one of the things so I like to survey my clients and I ask them because we have such massive results for people I mean right now with the last quarter on average our folks and I want you to know there are people who are making massively more which is why it brings this number so high last year we did 53,000 it's around $98,000 more in additional salary somebody is getting and how that really happens. I asked like what was something that you got here that you had no idea you need it and it is always always always the community, the community because you are you have you ever you're like you're the summary of the five people who spend the most time. So you've got to be really careful. I mean, get your kids don't count because they're gonna be excited about Pikachu least minor. So, but there but what I mean is the people in your life are you surrounding yourself with people who inspire you to be better are you spending time with people who are literally detracting from your energy people who are telling you stories that are not, and I give you permission not that you need it because the person who needs to give you permission, it's inside of you to walk away from anything that doesn't serve you, that'd be the job. That means the boss that means the relationship that means whatever it is that holds you shackles because if it's guilting, or shaming you, that doesn't work and surround yourself with people who are going to love you. And I say love because love is our highest value here in the talent paradigm. And it's not with the corporate world would say like love is not the thing that we prioritize, we're like, we want to take care of our customers. And I'm like, that all comes from a place of love. Like if we all look at that, in that place of love. That's where we create a community that empowers one another and we call it the proximity of proximity power. So in success is by proximity, just by being around people who are more successful, they will uplevel you. So if you ever heard of like, if you're, if you're the smartest in the room, you're in the wrong room. I'm the only one in this room. So I guess I'm in the wrong room. But here is what do you do to up-level? Do you have any advice on that?

Ruby 26:21

I mean, I think always go back to self-care for one is, you know, are you taking care of yourself? Are you getting just the basics? Are you eating? Well? Are you sleeping? You know? Are you drinking enough water? Are you taking your vitamins? Are you getting outside? You know, are you moving? So I think that's definitely, you know, an area where you can look and then, you know, I do think it is about community what like, we are getting messages all the time, right through TV, radio, that people that we hang out with. And so it's just about, it's like pre-screening those right pre-screening those and it's like, What are you? What are you inviting into your space? So I think we need to be really thoughtful and intentional about what we allow into our space.
Lindsay 27:04
Yes, and, and being willing to say no, I was gonna tell you that I was very much trained, like as a Midwestern girl, say yes to everything, be sweet, Be kind, be quiet. None of those things really served me I like to be sweet and tight, I am not quiet and I am not. I will be a very disruptive force, a lot of things. But that allowing and tolerance of things I allow to things like, you know, I was raised, like, when somebody slaps you, you turn the other cheek. And, and we have to be, there's one thing about allowing somebody has a second chance, there's another thing about allowing somebody to take advantage of you. And so you have to recognize that there are people who are going to look to take advantage of what it is that you have to offer and the person you have to protect at all costs. If you want to protect anybody else in your life or serve anybody else in your life is you, you have to take care of yourself and nobody else is gonna be able to do that for you.
Ruby 28: 00
It's a great point. And in Latin culture, there's a saying that they say is the best give as much but Bonita muscaria Lita, which is you look more like you look prettier when you are quiet. And yeah, it's hard. It's horrible. It's absolutely horrible. And that is the thing is that like when girls grow up with that saying, and so, you know, we have to break those limiting beliefs. And we have to be able to speak up no is the shortest sentence it is the most powerful.
Lindsay 28:30
Yes. And then the other one will be as I am. I am I am. Yeah. When you declare who you are? Yeah, yes. To be like out like that. And I also want us like I'm in this is my call to anyone who's listening. What stories are you telling the people in your life that you may not like I told my daughter to be quiet now you run she runs around screaming and is actually have the police called on us for being loud? So she does have to be a little bit quieter. But I think I know it's ridiculous. I'm like, you better believe I'm telling you this. at your wedding, I'm going to be telling this story. So um, but that part was like she, I have to realize like, the whole world is going to tell her that she is not beautiful, smart, capable, valuable, the whole world will tell her that. So right now you know what we build her up so strong that fortify her so that it will be unshakable, her founding. So the way we change in the future is by eliminating these stories, this collective consciousness the story of false belief. Thank you so much. Rich, you were so wonderful. Oh, yeah, it is.

Ruby 29:37

And it's great that you do that. And it's important that we do those things. I had an aunt that used to look in the mirror every morning, and she would tell herself She was beautiful when she'd kiss herself in the mirror. And I used to like laugh at that but actually think, Wow, that's really wonderful. yourself in that way, right? And we have to be careful of the stories that we tell ourselves because that doesn't limiters, we have to shout out those voices. And sometimes we've got to, we've got to rewrite the narrative. Just because something is said, and we hear that little voice does not mean that we have to listen to it.

Lindsay 30:11
Yes, I love that. Well, if you were to give, I want to put some practice, like, What if you were to give somebody some action steps that they could take to increase their career power? By creating a self-care practice? What would be three things you would advise?

Ruby 30:30

Oh, three things I would advise for self-care practice. Define your boundaries. Define your boundaries. practice gratitude. Yes, practice gratitude. And then the third I'm going to say is alignment. So I'm going to find this as integrity. And the way that I'm going to find that is like do your intentions, your greatest and highest intentions, align with your speaking and your actions. So there are the three pieces your greatest intention, your actions, and your speaking, do do those align?
Lindsay 31: 23
Oh, I love it. And so notice that she didn't say okay, like go hydrate, go, exercise, go. And I would probably be what I would have defined it as. But what she taught is talking about and truly, is intentionality. And then when you do that, and you understand what it is, then you can take the actions because you know the answers of what you should be doing take the best care of you. I am going to give you a couple of pieces here of what you shouldn't neglect if you're in your actual activities. We call this the quad. And it's the bubble. And it stands for body-brain, belief, and love. So what are you doing to take care of your body? What are you doing to take care of your brain? What are you doing for your belief, especially relief yourself? And what are you doing out of love if you understand those four things, and take action in those areas, one for each one or multiples In my case, that will allow you to be your best self? So Ruby, thank you so much for joining me today. This is you are wonderful. Thanks so much to everybody who tuned in. I would love to know if you'll drop a comment. Tell me what you're going to implement. Tell me about what is what's important to you. From here. What resonated What are you going to implement in your next steps and what will you do to make it your best self ever? Alright everybody, see you soon we'll talk to me

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Episode 13

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Ruby, Lindsay

Lindsay 00:00

I'm Lindsay Mustain, and this is the career design podcast made for driven ambitious square pegs and round holes type professionals who see things differently and challenge the status quo. We obliterate obstacles and unlock hidden pathways to overcome and succeed where others have not stagnation feels like death. And we are unwilling to compromise our integrity and settle for being average in any way. We are the backbone of any successful business and those who overlook our potential are doomed to a slow demise. We do work that truly matters aligns with our purpose, and in turn, we make our lasting mark on the world. We are the dreamers, doers, legends, and visionaries who are called to make our most meaningful contribution and love what we do.
Lindsay 00:42
I'm so excited that you are here.
Lindsay 00:48
I just gotta say, Ruby, I asked Ruby to be on here after getting to hear her talk about some pieces here. And we want to talk a little bit about a few things today. I want to talk about the concept of career power and the quadrants around those four quadrants inside of career power. And ultimately, how do you balance career power and work-life balance? So that you, how do you how do you do those two things? And then how do you move the needle? And why you're looking for answers in the wrong place? And then how do you get really intentional around career design? Now, I want to start Ruby, why don't you just tell me a little bit about who you are. Because I'm gonna tell you what, I see Ruby's content on anything, I'm just blown away, which is why I was like, please, please, please come here and, and sit with me and talk. Let's talk about this. And she does talk for Women's Day. It was on Women's Day, right? I was like, I'm pretty sure I was gonna say unless I'm making things up. That really blew us away all of us inside a tele paradigm, which is why we decided to say tap your shoulder and say, Come here and share your genius with us. So tell me, tell me a little bit about yourself and your background. And why did they ask you to talk about this on women's day?

Ruby 02:00

Yeah, so well, thanks for having me here. I'm super excited. And I've been a huge fan of yours for so long. I just really honored and privileged to be here today. So a little about me, I spent most of my career in corporate I spent about 15 years in corporate doing sales roles, sales, training, sales enablement. And then what happened was I got laid off. And at that time, I had just completed a one-year coaching program. And I decided to shift gears a little bit, and develop myself as a coach. And so for the last about us, almost six years now I think I've been coaching and so I've worked with organizations, nonprofits, and then one on one coaching, specifically, mostly, I would say, for women who are purpose-driven, transitioning, and really are just looking for the next step, they know that there's something more out there for them. I'm also a mom and I have two boys. And so we're kind of juggling. As we talk about work-life balance, we're kind of juggling a lot right now with remote learning and you know, working from home, and then just managing all the other, you know, bits and pieces that come up in life.

Lindsay 03:12

Goodness, yes, I feel like this last year has been quite a test of either our patience and resiliency in both parenting and managing our careers. And a shout out to all of those that are out there that are managing this as a parent, whether male or female. But I definitely have noticed in the mom front that that is there's been a lot of energy. And that's, that's taken a lot of time. In fact, I will say that on my own, I've neglected a lot of self-care. And I think it's so important, especially now because you can't ever expect anyone to put you first if you don't put yourself first right like really that truly has to happen. If you want somebody to see the value in you, you have to be willing to put up self-care practice and it's not taking a bubble bath. I really used to think that for a while I was like, Oh, I get you to know, I get a pedicure, and I take a bubble bath and that or have a glass of wine, which I don't even know that really counts. But that's not really true self-care. Tell me how do you define self-care? What is your what's your philosophy around that?

Ruby 04:12

Yeah, I always kind of laugh when I hear bath. I mean, that's just basic hygiene, right?

Lindsay 04:20
Now and I love it if I'm really honest. So

Ruby 04:24
I think you know, the whole work-life balance conversation, I feel like it's the wrong one that we're having. I think most people think about work-life balance in terms of, you know, how, how do they manage it like, it's almost like a tug of war. It's like this tension between your work and your life. And in a game like a tug of war. There's always a loser, right? There's always a loser. And I think that's how a lot of people feel when they're trying to manage all the different parts of their life. And so I think that the conversation that we could be getting in and I think what really excites me is the one about like, how do you make your life work for you? Right? So it's a, it's at a different level. It's a bigger conversation. This is about intentionality. It's about values. It's about priorities. It's about choices. And what kind of choices are you making in alignment with how you want to live? You know, and I think it's also bringing in purpose like, what is your purpose? How does that feed into your work? How does that show up everywhere you go,

Lindsay 05:28
Rich's saying he loves Ruby's energy. I'm gonna say hi to Rick and Richard and rich here. And guys, if you are watching, please, please say hi, Yvonne is here. And he says work-life blend and integration is key. I love that integration. I think when people are like one has to win or the other. It's kind of like a work-life balance. There's no such thing. Like if you're carrying a phone around in your pocket, guess what, you probably have your email on your phone, which means that you are working all the time. So you really have to choose how to integrate the two. And I think this last year has definitely been an experience and that and some of it has, I've definitely learned a lot. What do you think are some of the things that you would say, in prioritizing that self-care idea, and I say it's a practice because it's never gonna be perfect. It's always great being continuing. And it's not just one thing. Like Bree asked me, she's like, what are you doing for three hours and your self-care practice? And she would say like that I'm adding it for my effect, but I'm like, let me walk you through what I do. Because in order for me to be willing to fight and win at the end of the day, especially to be able to give back to my kids. I needed some self-care. So what would you say are some of the things that you've learned in the last year?
Ruby 06:40
I think it goes to priorities. I think that's what I've learned. I've learned that work-life balance it, that it's work life integration, and I love that. Vaughn brought that up. That's the word that I always use is is really about integration, right? It's about designing. It's about intentionality. And so I think what I've done is really look at like, I've had to reshift I just had to reshift things I've had to manage my expectations. I think that's a huge part of this work. Life integration is like managing expectations, having boundaries, saying no, I think, you know, it's, it's definitely different, because we're cooped up. And so, you know, we're attached to our computers and our cell phones all the time. So we have to be intentional about shutting things down. You know, if you have an office door that you can shut, it's like, when you're done with your work, you shut the door, and you don't go back in taking breaks, getting outside and getting fresh air. So I think there are a lot of ways that we can do that. I feel like that's what I've had to do is, is just kind of shift expectations, not just for myself, but even as a single mom with kids, shifting their expectations of how things are going to go because we all have to work together a little more, now that we're all at home.
Lindsay 07:51
So true, I always like to say with my clients Come as you are, and that might be in your pajamas. And I might mean your children interrupt us seven times, which are normal in some cases of mine. Because really, we have to understand and embrace that people are human first. And I think that's one of the biggest failings that we make as leaders and leaders of large companies is that we seem to think people are there that use drones or clones that they can come in, and they just produce work. And we forget that they have a reason for being there, which is their family, their life at the end of the day. And that's their priority. That's why they work. And that has to be something that we honor for them as well and allows them the space to be human. And that I think has been a huge lesson that there's a lot of things in the pandemic that has not really been great lessons, but that one I think was a really big gift that was given to us.

Ruby 08:40

Yeah, and I love what you say about being human rights because I think as leaders we have an opportunity to really set the tone that we are human beings we're not human doings we're human being's rights.

Lindsay 08:56
I love this being said, is learning to say no means riches, saying that means that you can say yes to things that are important. Yeah. True. Whenever you're saying yes to something you are immediately saying no to something else because we are more limited by the constraints of our time. Now I do believe that time can expand and contract. If you've ever a little bit of science Einstein says about relativities like if you sit with a pretty woman that that can seem like an hour seemed like five minutes or if you sit on a hot stove 10 seconds can feel like 10 hours. So that same idea I think is really big here as well. I do want to talk a little bit about kind of the quadrants around career power because a lot of this the intentionality, when we talk about intentional career design, which is what tells what I really specialize in, is how do we create our best possible life the best possible outcomes, our highest level dreams and without any of the conditioning that society has given us about what we should do or who we should be or, or what your if you do this, then this is all you'll get. We have a lot of conditioning that happens in there. And I want always To think about the ascension to your highest self, what you really truly came to do in your time here on this planet, like what is it that your calling is meant to be. And that calling is what we talked about his career power. And career power for us really divides into four quadrants. And the very first part of it is passion. Passion is so very important for you to understand because what when people, when they get to the place where they're really sick, and they can't even go to work, they're so their energy is absolutely drained. And then like you have, you've heard, like, go home, kick the dog, yell at your wife, whatever. That is a place when we are not aligned into power and to our passion. Now, there I have passions, too, that is not necessarily something that I'm going to monetize as a career. Like, I would love to pet puppies and kittens all day, I actually joked a little bit of Ruby, I was like, I think I could do that if we just said, like I was actually going to the part of the package was that you were going to also get while you coached with me. And that could be a way where I could actually use it. And that's just a creative idea of where I was like, here's how, where we sometimes think about things and we're like, oh, that's a self-limiting belief. But our passions, we really need to understand what is it that energizes us what gives us energy, because when we're in a place where energy is unlimited, and abundance, that's where we manifest from, that's where we can create our own reality. And I say intentional career design because the only person who can really truly decide what they want in their career and choose to go after it is you you can't wait for your spouse, you can't wait for me, you can't wait for the recruiter or the hiring manager or your company or your boss. To do this for you, you really have to understand what you want. Otherwise, your vehicle as a career and you're in the passenger seat, you're letting somebody else drive and it's not one of those Tesla's that's driving on its own. It's, it's somebody else's driving that career. And it's why we get disappointed and burned out, we literally run out of our gas, because we forget to go to a place of power, so and that that's really around passion. The second quadrant is about purpose, okay. And so the purpose is when we tap into the idea that we take everything that we've experienced in our life, everything that we've actually had to happen to us. And we use that and all the skills and all the knowledge, skills, abilities, and strengths and the things that we've learned both personally and professionally. And we realize we've been tapped literally some sort of tap on our shoulder to make a larger contribution, we've been tapped to do something that means something bigger. And I'm going to say the likelihood of people ascending to this level, it's a higher level of the hierarchy of needs is kind of the idea of after we've reached the level of esteem and go Google this if you haven't seen it, but we look for beauty, and that's really the place where we get into purpose is when we start to look for purpose, and we choose to move into like a self-actualization model. And the understanding purpose is that there is something likely that you can tie a string through from the very beginning of your life until now, there's been a theme, there's been something that's happened to you over and over and over again, where you become the very best at one, something that's really one thing. And you might be multifaceted. So I don't want to exclude that you might have a lot of facts, most of our high potential people that are multi-passionate, and that's actually a good thing. But it just tracks from getting into purpose, because they can't pick what they're supposed to do. But there is a string. And that's what I talked about intentional career design is aligning passion into that place of purpose, where this is actually where I create easily, and I do something that allows me to make my greatest contribution. And that's the place where we get into purpose. Okay. Now, if you can get to that point, that's pretty freak in fantastic. Okay, that's pretty fantastic. After that, then this is where we got really into the transcendence model of going into what is self-actualization really looked like in the last two promotions. The last third part is the pursuit of it. And this is where people get really confused because they're waiting for something like a sign from the universe, like, Hey, this is what you're supposed to do. So I think I said something today, that will make sense. If you are looking for an answer from somebody else, you will never get it. And you'll never get the right answer. If you do, okay, and you know this because you can check in right now. And think about all the stories that somebody has told you about who you are, or what you should do, and how that did not work out for you, and how that eliminated your passion, it eliminated your ambition, it's made you play small, it made you fearful. Those things I want you to think about that and I want you to turn inside and go. The answer is really truly in me of where I want to go. The pursuit of it. It comes through a very deliberate process of what we really call the ascension into career power. And it goes through several different milestones. So like when I think about this, I'm talking about how do we talk about how do you be in the business of you how to be in the business. Ruby eight, right? What is it that we need to do to market ourselves to take care of ourselves? Those are the beginning Foundation, actually, the very, very first one is that one, you have to believe you're worth it. And the second one is you have to really take action to invest in yourself as a self-care practice. So that's why I say like the pursuit, in order to do the pursuit, self-care has to come first. If you do not take care of yourself, how can anybody ever expect a return from the investment they will make on you, you will burn out. So if you think about it like a million-dollar racehorse, I'm going to quote Myron golden here who is an amazing mindset coach. He says, What do you see them feeding them? Do you think they get off days? Do you think they get places where we've got like, say, like, go get a big back like, no, this horse is being every day, it has a regiment of rest of nutrition, of hydration, of training of exercise, that is the beginning of the pursuit into the ascension of career power? So the rest of it comes through things like building your narrative around your career, understanding what's most marketable about you, understanding who to connect to, and how to really sell yourself at the highest level so that in turn, people see you as something that they can invest in and see a massive return on investment. That's the truth. And that's the last part, which is profitability. And how you do that is by becoming the candidate choice, or what we call a purple squirrel. Those are the four quadrants of career power. And that's really where it comes in. Because the foundation of self-care and self-care practice, not not, not one time, this is an ongoing thing. That's where we really get to the place where we recognize our true value. Because until we recognize it, no one else can actually see it for you.

Ruby 16:40
Yeah, and I think one of the things I love that you say is, it's really about who we're being. So it's like, who do I need to be in order to create the results and the outcome? And the life that I want?

Lindsay 16:53
Yes, who do I need it? Oh, my gosh, I love that to create the outcome that I want. This is where people are like, I want to do this. And I'm like, are you investing time and money into building yourself up? I was like if you want somebody to invest time and money to building you, you got to do it first. Okay. And so I've always say like, if you want to nickel your diamond way through life, then that's what people are going to return to you because we embody the energy of what we believe about ourselves. So if you think, okay, I can't afford to do this, or I don't have the time to do this, then guess what nobody can be able to afford you or have time for you. That really actually how is how it resonates and how it manifests and energy out in the world. And you can tell this when you're like, Okay, I feel frenetic, I feel anxious, I'm, I come into an interview, and I'm desperate for the result. And they're like, I don't know about this at all. Like, I'm not sure at all about who you are what you have to offer, versus a place where you're powerful. And you say you know what, and we call this being an F with a bowl, I'm not gonna say it because there are some requirements around LinkedIn live. But that phrase is what really, really resonates is that I am in charge of me, I'm the Sovereign of me, I get to choose what I experienced, I get to choose what I allow, I choose what I tolerate, I choose what I design, and that you're not playing a victim in your life. And this is I'm going to say that I fell victim to that a lot of my life, I felt like everybody else controls. And then when I finally understood that I was the one who created everything that I am not a product of my conditions. But I am a product of my decisions. Life really started working for me and everything about you up until this point, even if you felt like you've been limited and kept small. It was a necessary part of your path so that you can hear me now to say it's time to step into your power. So saying that Ruby, what do you think you would give some pieces of advice around how do you get into that intentionality? How do you get into that place where you feel your power so that you can be the thing that people seek out and desire?
Ruby 18:54
Yeah, I think, you know, what is it? I think these are very simple exercises. I think sometimes we overcomplicate it, but I actually think it's really simple. We just need the space is what it is we need space, and to be able to actually think about these things. So I think one thing is writing down what are your values just actually on a piece of paper writing down a list of what are the things that are most important to you? Another thing is like thinking about what value what are the values that you have, right and looking at that list, and then thinking about and then kind of comparing it to how you're spending your day? Like are you spending your time according to your values? So I think it's a lot of self-awareness that needs to go on and really taking a look at within and then it's what needs to shift right. So once you start to see patterns when once you start to see identify areas that are gaps, what needs to shift, what do you need to say no to what you know, how do you need to reset expectations? And so you just go back to that being is like okay if this is the life that I really want, you know, who do I need to be to produce that? And? And what a person that gets that type of results? What would they be doing? How would they be showing up in the world? How would they be managing their time?

Lindsay 20:13
Oh, I love that so much. I think one of the things that a lot of people who follow me know that my brother was murdered in 2019. And it's hard to find any kind of reason for this. But one of the things that my gift of my brother's passing gave me was a complete evaluation of what I was really doing. And you know, what I was doing is I was hustling, I was hustling, I was hustling, I was hustling. I was trying, I was saying this was for my kids and what I was doing not spending any time with my kids. I was not doing the work of what I said was most important. And a lot of times when we're looking at how do we get into purpose, we say, Oh, this is what I want to be, but our actions and what we choose and you choose it, okay, like you're choosing to watch Game of Thrones or not, okay? Like you choose whether or not those actions actually align with what you said your value is. And so that that is I love that thought is that how do I embody the person? I also like to say, think about what you want to be like, if you were to imagine without any of the BS that you have integrated into your mind from people like your family, your spouse, your people who you've worked with your bosses, your leadership, if all those things and said what is it that I really want to do? Like, I wanted to be a CEO, I get done. Okay, done. I had to create it myself. I didn't wait for anybody to do it for me. So but what is it that at the very highest level? Because a little girl who was homeless from Missouri shouldn't be able to do that? Right? Like, that's a false belief. That's why I'm asking you to check it. What is it that you want to do? Okay, now that you have that in your mind, go and the backward planet? If I want to be this, who do I need to be today? Who do I need to show up and be right now and it's a very deliberate decision. I love this. Ruby says persona power Also, I want to give a little shout out to Brian who said, I'm he said sorry to sound old, please don't ever apologize for being experienced in the world that brings something very valuable to the table plus, we love Brian. So um, it's we have to be more engaged in this and, and life is very different than it was like and then when I think about my dad who worked for the same company for 20 years, like that was a point of pride today that will get you penalized. You need to really continue to be in the business again of Lindsay Inc, of whatever it is that you want to do. And objectively look at if I want to achieve this in my career, what steps Am I willing to make now that are going to create a better future, not what I should have done, and I talk a lot about shooting because shooting also starts with shame. And I'm gonna use the knock that stuff off, okay, because you're shitting. And what I have is a place of self-shame and guilt. And that energy that doesn't allow us to be at our highest self, the place where we really, truly can create the life that we want. We have to really start one self-care, self-care so important, but to calm that inner state so that we don't feel like we have chaos. We don't feel like we have chaos. I love this. Lindsey Craig, thank you so much, Richard, that means so much to me. But we don't want that chaotic environment should be reflected externally. Go ahead, I'm sorry,
Ruby 23:20
I'm just gonna say to you know, and we do talk about self-care a lot. And I think that's so important. But I also think there is a component that we don't talk about, and that's collective care. Community Care is what I call it. And this is what I have found so valuable in is finding communities that can support you, I know that it's been so helpful to me that when you are stuck, when you are in that spiral of shame, it's having people that are gonna back you up that are gonna say, I believe in you, you know, you might not see your greatness right now because you're feeling bad, but I see it and reflect that and that can be so powerful. And so I think that part of self-care is having are created if you don't have it, create it, find those people find the board of directors, but find your cheerleaders that are going to back you up during those difficult times. Because let's face it, we're all going to have those times where life happens. It gets hard, we're going to need someone to help lift us up and I get to do it for someone else too.
Lindsay 24:14
Yes, I don't pay it forward always right. In fact, I always like to say give before you plan to receive like if you always give with an open heart you tend to receive one of the things so I like to survey my clients and I ask them because we have such massive results for people I mean right now with the last quarter on average our folks and I want you to know there are people who are making massively more which is why it brings this number so high last year we did 53,000 it's around $98,000 more in additional salary somebody is getting and how that really happens. I asked like what was something that you got here that you had no idea you need it and it is always always always the community, the community because you are you have you ever you're like you're the summary of the five people who spend the most time. So you've got to be really careful. I mean, get your kids don't count because they're gonna be excited about Pikachu least minor. So, but there but what I mean is the people in your life are you surrounding yourself with people who inspire you to be better are you spending time with people who are literally detracting from your energy people who are telling you stories that are not, and I give you permission not that you need it because the person who needs to give you permission, it's inside of you to walk away from anything that doesn't serve you, that'd be the job. That means the boss that means the relationship that means whatever it is that holds you shackles because if it's guilting, or shaming you, that doesn't work and surround yourself with people who are going to love you. And I say love because love is our highest value here in the talent paradigm. And it's not with the corporate world would say like love is not the thing that we prioritize, we're like, we want to take care of our customers. And I'm like, that all comes from a place of love. Like if we all look at that, in that place of love. That's where we create a community that empowers one another and we call it the proximity of proximity power. So in success is by proximity, just by being around people who are more successful, they will uplevel you. So if you ever heard of like, if you're, if you're the smartest in the room, you're in the wrong room. I'm the only one in this room. So I guess I'm in the wrong room. But here is what do you do to up-level? Do you have any advice on that?

Ruby 26:21

I mean, I think always go back to self-care for one is, you know, are you taking care of yourself? Are you getting just the basics? Are you eating? Well? Are you sleeping? You know? Are you drinking enough water? Are you taking your vitamins? Are you getting outside? You know, are you moving? So I think that's definitely, you know, an area where you can look and then, you know, I do think it is about community what like, we are getting messages all the time, right through TV, radio, that people that we hang out with. And so it's just about, it's like pre-screening those right pre-screening those and it's like, What are you? What are you inviting into your space? So I think we need to be really thoughtful and intentional about what we allow into our space.
Lindsay 27:04
Yes, and, and being willing to say no, I was gonna tell you that I was very much trained, like as a Midwestern girl, say yes to everything, be sweet, Be kind, be quiet. None of those things really served me I like to be sweet and tight, I am not quiet and I am not. I will be a very disruptive force, a lot of things. But that allowing and tolerance of things I allow to things like, you know, I was raised, like, when somebody slaps you, you turn the other cheek. And, and we have to be, there's one thing about allowing somebody has a second chance, there's another thing about allowing somebody to take advantage of you. And so you have to recognize that there are people who are going to look to take advantage of what it is that you have to offer and the person you have to protect at all costs. If you want to protect anybody else in your life or serve anybody else in your life is you, you have to take care of yourself and nobody else is gonna be able to do that for you.
Ruby 28: 00
It's a great point. And in Latin culture, there's a saying that they say is the best give as much but Bonita muscaria Lita, which is you look more like you look prettier when you are quiet. And yeah, it's hard. It's horrible. It's absolutely horrible. And that is the thing is that like when girls grow up with that saying, and so, you know, we have to break those limiting beliefs. And we have to be able to speak up no is the shortest sentence it is the most powerful.
Lindsay 28:30
Yes. And then the other one will be as I am. I am I am. Yeah. When you declare who you are? Yeah, yes. To be like out like that. And I also want us like I'm in this is my call to anyone who's listening. What stories are you telling the people in your life that you may not like I told my daughter to be quiet now you run she runs around screaming and is actually have the police called on us for being loud? So she does have to be a little bit quieter. But I think I know it's ridiculous. I'm like, you better believe I'm telling you this. at your wedding, I'm going to be telling this story. So um, but that part was like she, I have to realize like, the whole world is going to tell her that she is not beautiful, smart, capable, valuable, the whole world will tell her that. So right now you know what we build her up so strong that fortify her so that it will be unshakable, her founding. So the way we change in the future is by eliminating these stories, this collective consciousness the story of false belief. Thank you so much. Rich, you were so wonderful. Oh, yeah, it is.

Ruby 29:37

And it's great that you do that. And it's important that we do those things. I had an aunt that used to look in the mirror every morning, and she would tell herself She was beautiful when she'd kiss herself in the mirror. And I used to like laugh at that but actually think, Wow, that's really wonderful. yourself in that way, right? And we have to be careful of the stories that we tell ourselves because that doesn't limiters, we have to shout out those voices. And sometimes we've got to, we've got to rewrite the narrative. Just because something is said, and we hear that little voice does not mean that we have to listen to it.

Lindsay 30:11
Yes, I love that. Well, if you were to give, I want to put some practice, like, What if you were to give somebody some action steps that they could take to increase their career power? By creating a self-care practice? What would be three things you would advise?

Ruby 30:30

Oh, three things I would advise for self-care practice. Define your boundaries. Define your boundaries. practice gratitude. Yes, practice gratitude. And then the third I'm going to say is alignment. So I'm going to find this as integrity. And the way that I'm going to find that is like do your intentions, your greatest and highest intentions, align with your speaking and your actions. So there are the three pieces your greatest intention, your actions, and your speaking, do do those align?
Lindsay 31: 23
Oh, I love it. And so notice that she didn't say okay, like go hydrate, go, exercise, go. And I would probably be what I would have defined it as. But what she taught is talking about and truly, is intentionality. And then when you do that, and you understand what it is, then you can take the actions because you know the answers of what you should be doing take the best care of you. I am going to give you a couple of pieces here of what you shouldn't neglect if you're in your actual activities. We call this the quad. And it's the bubble. And it stands for body-brain, belief, and love. So what are you doing to take care of your body? What are you doing to take care of your brain? What are you doing for your belief, especially relief yourself? And what are you doing out of love if you understand those four things, and take action in those areas, one for each one or multiples In my case, that will allow you to be your best self? So Ruby, thank you so much for joining me today. This is you are wonderful. Thanks so much to everybody who tuned in. I would love to know if you'll drop a comment. Tell me what you're going to implement. Tell me about what is what's important to you. From here. What resonated What are you going to implement in your next steps and what will you do to make it your best self ever? Alright everybody, see you soon we'll talk to me

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