Christina Bobb - Trump 2024: The Battle for Election Integrity and Media Freedom

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Show Notes and Transcript

Christina Bobb joins Hearts of Oak to discuss her military background, transition to media and involvement in the RNC's campaign for election integrity.
We kick off with some exploration into her book "Stealing Your Vote" for insights into the 2020 election and Christina shares challenges she faced at OAN for calling out failings in the 2020 election while emphasizing the importance of election integrity.
The conversation covers alternative media platforms, social media influencers, and the impact of platforms like Twitter under Elon Musk in countering censorship.
Christina reflects on the Trump campaign's fundraising success, his connection with the audience, and addressing key issues.
We conclude with a focus on upcoming elections, serving the American people, and restoring power to citizens.

Christina Bobb is an investigative reporter, attorney, and former television show host and correspondent with One America News Network, where she reported almost exclusively on election integrity. Christina began her legal career in the United States Marine Corps, serving as a defense counsel representing marines and sailors in court-martial and administrative separation hearings. She served in multiple overseas tours including Helmand Province, Afghanistan, and Stuttgart, Germany. After her military service, Ms. Bobb transitioned to private practice at Higgs, Fletcher, & Mack LLP in San Diego, and then to Washington, DC, where she held executive level positions within the Department of Homeland Security. Christina currently serves as attorney for President Donald J. Trump at the Republican National Committee.

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Transcript

(Hearts of Oak)

I am delighted to be joined by a brand new guest, one I've seen on a number of podcasts recently. I'm delighted she can join us, and that's Christina Bobb. Christina, thank you so much for your time today.

(Christina Bobb)

Thanks so much for having me, Peter.

Good to have you on, and lots to talk about. I know you're centrally involved in the campaign there at the RNC, but people obviously can follow you. @Christina_Bobb is on Twitter. That's the main place, and you can get everything from there. But just to our viewers, to our half-and-half US, UK, to our UK viewers who maybe haven't come across, you're former US Marine, former OAN host, and since March you've been attorney at the RNC Republican National Committee, leading election integrity programs, and we'll get into all of that. And your Wikipedia describes you as mega-maga. That's quite cool. You're not just maga. And, of course, you're the author of Stealing Your Vote, the inside story of the 2020 election and what it means for 2024.

And any book published by Skyhorse, we've had Tony Lyons on before, or have an introduction by Stephen K. Bannon, is absolutely wonderful. So a shout-out to the War Room posse that will be joining us and watching this interview. But, Christina, I read on your Wikipedia, it could be true, it may not be, but you played football at university, like proper football, like British football, not just American.

Right, I played British football, right? I was a soccer player.

Yeah. So tell us, because obviously uni and then you were involved in media. Just tell us a little bit about that before we get on to the campaign. And, of course, you bring your legal understanding to that. But you were hired by OAN back in 2020. And I remember I was there maybe a year ago, 18 months ago, getting a tour of the offices in D.C. And it's a phenomenal setup. But I know you were there as an anchor in 2020. I mean, how did that happen? How did it end up you moving into media?

Yeah. So I had been in the military. Prior to that, I'd been in the military. And then once I got out, I was an attorney. I worked as a lawyer in San Diego. I was a litigator and didn't really plan on getting into media.

I missed my government work. I liked doing national security work. I have a, an LLM and national security law, and it's harder to do that. At least from San Diego, certainly you can do it at firms here in DC. So, I came back to DC and joined the Trump administration of the department of homeland security. And right before the 2020 election, a few months before, well, maybe like February, so nine months before, I kind of got a wild hair and was like, Hey, I might be able to make a bigger impact in media. So I transitioned to One America News, who had a good presence here in D.C. So I left the administration and joined One America News to cover the administration.

And I definitely had a bigger impact in media than I did working in the administration. So it's kind of been flying by the seat of my pants, hang on and just do what you can to make a difference. and it's been kind of a wild ride.

Of course, at OAN, you were one of the people, and we'll maybe touch on how that has impacted you, but you were one of the people to call out failings you saw in the election in many aspects. And you were, I guess, had a position with OAN. You were calling out what you were seeing. And what was that like? Because I remember looking at it from this side of the pond, from far away and seeing the massive debate over that with individuals happy to speak up on what they saw and others saying, no, no, no, no, we can't really do that because of X, Y, and Z. What kind of gave you the, I guess, the boldness to just call out what you saw?

I didn't think it was bold at the time, to be honest. I thought it was just obvious. And to be honest, I think maybe in the UK and overseas, y'all might have a better perspective than we do here in the United States, because you can kind of see it from a distance. When you're in the middle of it, it can be a lot harder to see and discern what's happening. I didn't feel bold. I just thought, I didn't understand what was happening. And I figured if I didn't understand what was happening, the viewers didn't understand what was happening. And so I was trying to just walk people through my own thought process and my own investigation of what I was looking into. On November 3rd, 2020 election night, I was reporting from the White House, the North Lawn of the White House.

And I was just honest with the viewers. And I was like, this doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't know why they're calling Arizona a West Coast state, minutes after they called Florida probably one of the furthest East states, if not the furthest East state. So that doesn't make a lot of sense. We basically skipped the country.

So I didn't feel bold. I was just trying to be honest in my reporting. And immediately I started getting attacked. I mean, I had been a reporter for a couple months at that point. I think I started at One America News June 1st or right around the beginning of June. So it had been less than six months that I had been a reporter. And I was getting, YouTube was coming after me, CNBC. A lot of the bigger networks were trying to shut me down, which I thought was so bizarre. I was like, I'm barely a reporter. Like, why are you coming after me? And then it was almost like the more they came after me, the more people started paying attention. And, I ended up sticking with the story for years. I thought I was just covering it, from election night until when we actually got a result. But I got attacked so much that it just made me go, oh, okay, well, I need to keep covering this. This is a thing. And so I kept digging into it and ended up writing a book about it. But it really was the voracious attacks that I received that caused me to go, oh, okay, there's something here.

Because there's a difference, I guess, between someone who's been a host maybe 10, 15, 20 years and they can say what they like because they're kind of bulletproof in one way and they've got a track record or a reputation with someone just into the media fairly new. You kind of think, well, maybe I should just play this safe. I mean, what was that, I guess, OAN gave you, the freedom that maybe other networks would not have?

Well, they did. And I'll counter your summary just a little bit. I think the people that have been in the business for 10, 20, 30 years have been in the business that long because they don't say whatever they want to say. They're parroting what the networks are telling them to say, and they're parroting what the narrative is supposed to be, not what's actually happening. And OAN didn't do that. I give them a lot of credit. They said, go report. And so I did, I took it quite literally. And I think, I think the left, is not just the left, it was really the political establishment, because we see now that it's both Republicans and Democrats in the United States that have been causing these problems and have really kind of bound our election system the way that they want it. But OAN grew, grew in popularity a lot in the the years prior to me joining, I think largely because of their coverage of Donald Trump, people wanted to see it. And so OAN had a really large following.

For a while, they were the fourth ranked cable news network. Of course, now they've been de-platformed in many areas and they've had a lot of attacks come themselves. But because OAN actually had a bigger following than people want to pretend, our message was getting out, right? Not just mine, but there were other reporters in the network as a whole that were just standing behind the idea that, hey, we're not sure that this election was real. We think there were problems in a variety of areas. Let's dig into it. Let's investigate and see what we find. And I'm grateful. I'm grateful that that's the stance they took. And I think because they took that stance, the story is still alive today. You know, there's still Americans today that think there's problems with the 2020 election. A lot. I would say a majority of Americans believe that. And now the whole January 6th narrative is unraveling. And I think that's largely because of OAN and those of us that were willing to speak out and tell the truth.

Well, I want to come back to you on media. And we had Maureen Bannon on just on Monday discussing this. But obviously in the war room and what they feel. But I want to come back, but I want to get on to your role now, because we've just had elections here in Europe. We have UK elections coming up.

We're able to count our ballots within 24 hours and have ourselves. I know you guys like to take a few months over it. But election integrity is a massive issue.

And I know that others have told me, you know, it's the border, it's the economy. But actually, election integrity, what's the point of voting if your vote doesn't matter?

I mean, tell us about that and your work, because you have each state to actually cope with, where in the UK it's one system. So it is a much more difficult, arduous process you face. But what is, election integrity and what does that mean to most of the voters in the U.S.?

Well, I can speak for conservatives because I think it's different. You know, Democrats, I think, are very good at changing language and trying to make things mean things that they don't. So what election integrity actually is from a conservative perspective, and of course, I think it's the right perspective, is that everybody gets the every legal voter gets the opportunity to vote and that vote is counted and that we are not diluting votes with illegal voters and that people don't get to put their thumb on the scale by changing locations or the way that votes are processed. but everybody who is lawfully allowed to vote has the opportunity to vote. Only those votes are counted, but they're all counted and we live with those results. So the way it's processed in the United States, the way it's supposed to be processed is every state and every county are supposed to run their elections independently with their own processes. That's part of the security of it, right? To have a decentralized system. But we've seen over the years, there's been a lot of creep and a lot of the same companies are running, a lot of the counties are bringing in the same companies who run, half the country's elections. And a lot of the kind of inherent security that our founders built into our constitution and into the way we run our elections has really been degraded basically through corporate structure, by bringing in outside groups and not keeping things to the original intent of every county running everything separately.

To your point, I think it's perfectly reasonable to believe that every ballot can be counted by election night, even in 2020. I mean, if you look at Arizona, just looking at Maricopa County, they had 2.1 million votes that were counted on by election night but then they took another three days three or four days to count what 200 or 300 000 more ballot like why did it, why were they able to do 2.1 million in one day and then it took three days to count another 100 000 doesn't make sense

Tell what because when you when you look at it you have individuals involved in overseeing and I think there's been a big call for those who care about democracy to register to be an observer and to watch it. And then you've got the fight in the individual states, how they process it. I mean, tell us about that kind of call to action for those who care about their country to be involved, to make sure that they see irregularities.

Yeah, well, for all your American viewers, get involved, right? Right. If you're if you're a legal American voter and registered to vote somewhere, get involved. You can go to protect the vote dot com. That's the RNC's election integrity program.

There's a lot of great grassroots organizations around the country that you can get involved in. But this is an all hands on deck moment. This is the election. We either save our country or it's lost forever and it will never resemble what it was intended to be.

And I truly believe Donald Trump will be back in the White House, but it's going to be a dogfight for sure. And so we need good, honest people who are willing to follow the law and want the law followed in their areas to volunteer, to work at your counties, get, you know, your counties are now in the process of hiring effectively seasonal workers for the purpose of the election. You can get paid to work your elections, work your election, and just make sure that the law is followed and that there's not, the midnight ballot drops with no chain of custody and nobody knows where they came from. But let's probably assume they're all legitimate and just count them anyway. You know, we need to make sure that that kind of negligence isn't taking place in the elections this time around.

And what is it like? Because we've seen the ballot drops.

For you to have drop boxes, that's just so strange for us over across the pond.

It's strange for us too. Like, it's not a thing, right?

But it hasn't always been like that, has it?

No, it wasn't that way until 2020. It was like in 2020, the suspicious activity of COVID occurred and everyone was like, hey, let's completely change the laws outside of the legal process. The 2020 election was conducted illegally. No question about it. Whether you want to say the illegalities changed the outcome of the election or not, okay, we can debate that till hell freezes over. But the way the election was conducted was illegal. This massive influx of drop boxes was not authorized by the legislature of any of the states, yet they were dropped off everywhere. And we're like, hey, we're going to count anything that comes into these drop boxes. And I don't know if you've read some of the stories, but Americans didn't, like, this was not a way we vote. And a lot of people in the communities didn't necessarily know what they were. So people were putting mail, they thought they were mailboxes or Amazon return boxes. There was a lot of stuff that was deposited into these boxes that weren't ballots because nobody knew what they were.

And so, no, the use of drop boxes was a bit novel to 2020. And I think they needed to do it in order to have this mass influx of mail ballots with no chain of custody. The entire chain of custody in all of these states that were questioned, that changed the outcome of the election, none of them had the chain of custody to know where any of these ballots came from or who cast them. So, yeah, it's kind of weird, huh?

Very weird. That's not just me. I'm glad you get as well. But I've seen different legal cases with different states.

Maybe you want to let us know, have there been wins have there been losses, have there been changes, because election integrity really is key for actually getting people out

Yeah, we currently have open, I want to say 87, we being the RNC have 87 open cases litigation, pre-election litigation, most the vast majority if not all of them are for the purpose of ensuring that the the election is conducted securely in accordance with the law. And we've certainly had several victories. I would say we've had more victories than losses. There's some where I'd say it's kind of a draw and then there's some where you don't win them all. But in addition to the litigation that the RNC is conducting, several of the state legislatures have passed new laws. Voter ID laws have been strengthened in a lot of states. They put restrictions on the use of drop boxes.

Several cases, and most notably in Wisconsin, which they're fighting to overturn it now. But the use of drop boxes in illegal was deemed, I'm sorry, the use of drop boxes in Wisconsin was deemed illegal. Now Democrats are working to overturn that because they flipped the Supreme Court in Wisconsin. So there's a lot of jockeying. There's good, there's neutral, there's some losses. But overall, I think we're in a better position than we were in 2020, if for no other reason, people are aware of the games, right? They're aware of what's going on. Americans want to remain in control of their elections. As you mentioned earlier in the show, if we don't, if we, the people don't control the outcome of our elections, we're never going to have a chance to control the border. We're never going to have a chance to control inflation. We're never going to have a chance to control the economy and gas prices. We're never going to have a chance to have a say in education. The way we speak is through our vote. And so we have to to protect that. And I think we're in a better place, but we need people involved. We absolutely need volunteers. We need workers to work at their counties. We need people involved.

Back in, I grew up in Northern Ireland, which was very sectarian. We had our own issues in Northern Ireland, but one of the phrases used was vote early, vote often.

And I don't know, if you obviously have where people can vote long before, for us postal ballots is quite unusual. You kind of get it if you need, but it's not the norm. Where in America, it seems to be more the norm. How does that work? And I think you need to actually use the systems in place and take advantage of it. And that's been, I think, a call on those on the right saying, actually, if this is the system, then we need to use it instead of complaining about it.

Yeah, no, you're exactly right. I mean, I don't want to say that it's normal here. I think what happened is the left pushed mail-in voting in a few states that conservatives really weren't paying attention to. The Pacific Northwest is one area, California, New York, some of the really blue states, they pushed mail-in voting in those states. Colorado is another one. And conservatives just weren't paying attention. And then they pushed, then they started pushing it in conservative states and they really went for it in 2020. And now conservatives are going, wait, wait, wait, we don't like mail-in ballots. And so we got caught on our heels because we didn't fight the fight back in the 80s and 90s when they first started this push for mail-in ballots in some of these other states that we weren't paying attention to. And if you look at those states, like if you look at Oregon, for example.

Oregon was a red state. Oregon was absolutely a conservative state up until, I want to say, 89. It was either 1989 or 1987. I don't remember which one. It's in my book, though. But prior to them making Oregon a mail-in ballot state, Oregon had voted for the Republican presidential candidate in every single election except for four presidents, all the way back until when Abraham Lincoln was in office. There were nine elections, Four of them were for FDR, and then the other three were for three other Democrat candidates, all the way back until Abraham Lincoln. The rest of the presidential candidates from Abraham Lincoln, minus those four, Oregon voted for the Republican candidate. When they instituted mail-in balloting in 1989 or 87, the Republican candidate has never won the state of Oregon. So I think mail-in ballots are a problem and probably not an accurate reflection of the way voters actually feel. So yeah, I think there needs to be some real serious reform on mail-in voting, but that can't come until after the election because it's the process that we have to use right now. So we have to win within this system.

100%. Maybe you want to give us a bit of an You've been there since March, so you're three months into it.

What has that been like? Because it's a different RNC than it was whenever Trump has run before. Completely changed. It's now actually a MAGA RNC. America First.

Right. No, it has MAGA-fied.

Mega MAGA.

Mega MAGA. Which is so funny. every time they create those terms to try to offend us, it's just like, okay, well, we'll own it. I'm mega mega, I'm ultra mega, I'm whatever. They want to make it sound extreme or crazy and none of it's working anymore because they are, they are outing themselves as the extremists. But no, the RNC really is in lockstep with the Trump campaign on the political operations and getting out the vote and volunteering and just ensuring that the RNC policies and procedures are aligned with the Trump campaign. I mean, the RNC is committed to getting Donald Trump reelected back to take the White House. And I think the voters know that. I think the conservative voters recognize that this is a different RNC. The RNC leadership today is not the RNC of leadership of 2020. And I think they've got a lot more confidence in our leadership now, as they should.

Tell us what role the RNC, because again, looking at it from a UK perspective, they're kind of separate entities, the party, but the individual running and people vote for the individual much more than in the UK, where it's certainly very much for the party. I mean, how does the Trump campaign, sorry if it's a dumb question, but I'm a Brit. So how does the actual presidential campaign work connecting with the party? Because they are two separate entities, but they're working together for victory in November.

Yeah, they are two separate entities. And, you know, this is my first presidential campaign. It's the first time I've I've worked at the RNC, so I can't speak prior from inside, but, I will, I'll say that Donald Trump's campaign is like any other, it's unlike any other, there's not another presidential campaign. I would say probably in, in the history of the country, at least, you know, in my lifetime, maybe Reagan, maybe, but I would be willing to bet that I think DonaldTrump is surpassing Reagan's popularity.

So the RNC is in a position where we either support this mega MAGA candidate that we have in Donald Trump, who really is unlike any other candidate that our nation has seen and is, is really pushing conservative values, conservative Christian values through this corruption. He's kind of like breaking through the corruption that we otherwise wouldn't be able to break through. And the RNC really is there, is really there to ensure that he, as the, I mean, technically he'll be nominated in July, but we all know he's the presumptive nominee. As the nominee, he has what he needs to make his campaign successful. And so the goal is to ensure that the Trump campaign and Donald Trump as the candidate has, like, we kind of clear the way and have what they need to be successful in their efforts.

And I was certainly, I said to you before, we went live, been at three Trump rallies the last year in Pennsylvania and South Carolina. And for someone who has been years in politics in the UK, I've never seen anything like that, that this is not just, here are my 10 bullet points. And I remember I heard Ron DeSantis speak a year ago, and it was a great speech. Yep, I agree with all those bullet points. Then you go and watch President Trump speak, and you think, wow, I mean, this is taking it to another level where you connect not just with a head, but actually connect with the heart. And that seems to be how his whole way of campaigning to connect with people at a deeper level than politics normally does.

A hundred percent. And that's why they're trying to take him off the campaign trail. Because what you see in the media, and you know this, you've been to the Trump rallies and you've met him. You know how he is and what it's like being in that environment. It is really powerful. And people recognize it as different. It's not the same as every other candidate that we've ever seen. It's very different. You connect to him. You instantly feel like, oh, he's speaking to me. I understand what he's saying. And the left hates that. They want the cookie cutter candidate that they can control behind the scenes and somebody just gets to be the face of the party or whatever movement they want to pretend like they have.

You can't do that with Donald Trump. And in the media, the liberal media is trying really hard to take away from that they're trying to say, he doesn't have the popularity or they're trying to minimize the amount of popularity that he has, but you cannot hide it. You can hide behind poll numbers. You can fudge polls with, who you contact and, the sample that you use. But you cannot lie about the massive seas of people who are coming to hear Donald Trump and coming out to support Donald Trump. And that's why it's so powerful, because Donald Trump has pictures. I mean, you can see that 100,000 people in New Jersey, and then you've got, I think, 40,000 people in the Bronx. You see these massive seas of people.

That's not a fudged poll. Those people actually showed up, and Biden's not getting anything close to that. I mean, I went and spoke at an event in Detroit a week or two ago, and it was Trump surrogates. It was an event for several Trump surrogates that people, notable conservatives that support Donald Trump and speaking on MAGA values. President Trump wasn't there. And we had a huge crowd. There was a big crowd that there were probably five or 600 people there. I would, I would think maybe close to a thousand and Donald Trump wasn't even there. Joe Biden's not getting crowd sizes that big. And my point is people who support Donald Trump are getting bigger crowds than Joe Biden himself, then their candidates. And so they don't want people to know that. So please, check it out for yourself. If you have not been to a Trump rally, come to a Trump rally. They're unlike anything you've ever been to.

I would agree. And for UK viewers, just go over to the States just to be in one. It is excitement. And I think you downplay Biden. I'm sure he could fill up his basement with people. I'm sure he could.

Staffers. Yeah, maybe.

But what it's been.

Trump's ability to fundraise is another, and I've seen it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but with some of the more establishment fundraisers who have connected with the Republican Party holding off, but it's then the public who have stepped in, and it seems to have, those establishment funders have kind of realized that actually this is the man. And if it's not him, it's four more years of decrepit Biden. So it certainly in funding, every time he goes through a court case, it just goes up and up. But it seems to be those traditional donors are also coming behind him. Is that a fair assessment?

I think some of them are. I think some of them are not. You know, and that goes to show that this is not a Republican versus Democrat election in the United States. This is establishment versus the rest of America. And the rest of America is stepping up with their dollars. And the rest of America is funding Donald Trump to make sure that he gets across the finish line because the rest of America is sick of the establishment. We don't care if you're Republican or Democrat. If you've been part of the system that has oppressed Americans, made our cost of living go through the roof, made our wages go down, basically ruined one of, if not the best countries ever to exist in the history of the world, get out of the way. And they're getting basically mauled over by this massive sea of small dollar donors who are putting up a hundred bucks at a time, but it's causing the president to raise $400 million. I mean, that's a lot of people.

And Joe Biden can go to these fancy celebrity dinners where you have celebrities that might donate a million dollars at a time. Fantastic, good for him. I hope they all spend all of their money. I think they should all donate all of their money to Joe Biden and waste it all because he's gonna lose.

But he can get, you know, a few people to give him several million dollars. Okay. Donald Trump is raising $400 million off of a hundred bucks at a time. Who, who do the people support?

Oh, completely. Is it the border and the economy? Are they still the key issues for the voters?

Yeah, the voters are really concerned about the border. They don't like the fact that, you know, words coming out that illegal aliens are being bussed into all 50 states and they're all getting registered to vote, some against their will, at least some of the reports that I'd seen. They don't like, they, they don't like the toll that this invasion is taking on our cities and that we're paying for it. In New York, they're giving away, how many 500 bucks, a thousand dollars a month to these illegal aliens when Americans are struggling to survive. And now they have to fund this invasion. It's ridiculous. So they're real upset about the border. They're very upset about education. Parents are still being targeted who are trying to protect their kids.

It's a very weird position. And I don't know to the extent that you guys are seeing, I think it's somewhat similar in the UK, but this push for transgender ideology, and allowing teachers to groom children into sexual behavior, parents don't like that. Shocking. But that's another issue. And then this whole idea that somehow the education system has more rights over your children than you do as a parent. And these states are becoming sanctuary states for kids to go get transgender surgery without parental consent. I mean, it's just bizarre what they're doing.

So I mean, pick an issue, Democrats will lose on it. There is not a single issue on the debate stage today that Democrats it's like, oh, they've got a good point. None, because they're all completely woke. They're all so far from anything, not just immoral, but just a basic sense of responsibility as a human to be a good human and care about other people. They're off the rails on that. And so I can't wait for this debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, because not only is Joe Biden completely incapable of debating Donald Trump, they legitimately do not win on the issues. And so I'm sure they're going to try to pull something out to create some distraction. And I look forward to seeing what it is. But in a free and fair debate, Donald Trump is absolutely going to crush Joe Biden.

He will. And I don't know if they can give Joe Biden enough of that, whatever liquid they give him to actually keep him going. But I think they could use it all up. He won't last an hour and a half. There's no way. And Trump's energy, I mean, for someone of his age, but actually an hour and a half. And in those speeches, he's enjoying himself. He's actually connecting back and forward with the audience. And it is fun and the audience are having fun and Trump is not there to go and deliver my top 10 points.

He's there to engage with the audience and gee them up and have fun. And that kind of enthusiasm and honesty is really special.

It's fun and people love it. And he's gone to the point, he's done so many of these rallies and he's given so many of these speeches that, you can tell when he goes off script a little bit, but he's even started, dropping some swear words in there every once in a while, just to emphasize a point. And people love it. They're just like, Oh, thank God someone who's not like so perfectly polished that we can't relate to him now, in 2020 or in 2016, everybody hated his mean tweets. And we're like, Oh, he's mean. I don't, whatever, people love it now. They're like, Oh, thank God God, he's real. He's genuine. He's authentic. And I do give him a lot of credit too. He has learned to kind of meet people where they are. And he's, I think softened his edges a little bit, become a little bit more, I don't want to say polished. He's always been exceptionally polished, but a little, a little bit more political. I feel like I'm offending him saying that, but he's, he's learned to, to play the game a little bit. He's elevated his political game, I should say.

And now it's great, now it's just a great mixture of he's got that raw humor, but he's got he's politically refined now and it's just, he it's like he's hitting his sweet spot right at the perfect time.

Really is and of course he's we kind of forget that he's not a politician, that that's not his background his background is in business to step into this and I think that was part of his undoing in in 2016 and 2020 where his maybe wasn't aware of how the system works, of the deep state working underneath and this election I think this is why he is so dangerous to the left because now he is aware of what is happening and that actually the RNC and others are putting people ready, so they're ready to step in place and so it's not just trusting actually it's been more purposeful and organized and planned than maybe it was before.

For sure. For sure. I mean, this campaign is way, way above where it was in 2020. And quite honestly, even the president himself says it's better than the 2016 campaign. I mean, the enthusiasm, the support, the huge crowds, it's unlike any other campaign Donald Trump has run. He, I mean, I don't know what kind of records you can set, but he's setting them and he's setting all of them. And I think the left is helping him with these crazy indictments and convictions and trials and the abuses of government and the fact that the left is using the government to try to retain power and attack their political opponents. It's clear as day in the United States that that's what's happening. And Americans don't like it. They really don't like it. And Americans want to retain control of their government. And so the longer this goes on, the more people are switching sides. And I fully expect Donald Trump to be back in the White House in 2025.

It certainly is a more sophisticated campaign, 100%. Can I, in the words of that wonderful press secretary, circle back to finish off on the issue on media? Because this, again, is different, even though it wasn't 2020. I don't think the alternative media was so well-developed. You kind of had Fox moving away and maybe OAN and Newsmax fit into that. But now you've got a plethora of alternatives, of Turning Point USA.

InfoWars, you have WarRoom. You've got, I mean, it's masses of small, medium and large companies, individuals actually championing the causes that Trump is believing in to put America first. How does that, as someone who kind of has experienced the media and are now involved in the campaign itself, how do you see the media play out? And I mean, how much longer can the media on the left actually cheer Biden on?

Well, they're running at a runway. I think they're hoping to hang on through the election, but I don't think they're going to make it. You're exactly right. I think the uprising of podcasts and radio stations and social media influencers. Conservatives are available to voters in a way that they weren't even in 2016 and probably not even in 2020.

And it has really decentralized media, right? It used to be you had to watch Fox, CNN, or MSNBC, and that's where you got your information. That's where everybody got their information. Well, nobody believes those networks anymore. And so a lot of people have transitioned and are watching Newsmax, OAN, Real America's Voice.

There's a number of other conservative news outlets that are available to people. But then you also have folks watching shows like your show where they want to tune in to a person that they like. And so it can kind of be personality centric. But however people want to get their news, people are able to receive the information in ways that they couldn't before. And I think I'll credit Elon Musk with taking over Twitter, which is now X, because I mean, we were all silenced, absolutely silenced on what used to be Twitter. Andour posts were suppressed. Our followers were haemorrhaged. You know, we, every, everybody probably remembers what it was like to be silenced on Twitter. And with the emergence of X, it, I do think it has changed the game for the better. You obviously, there's still things about it that I'd love to, to see a little bit different, but I give Elon Musk a lot of credit for kind of taking the gag off of the individual people who needed a platform and social media with the platform. And he basically freed it so that those people now have a voice too.

Apologies to RAV not mention it was on with Tara Dahl and Kaelan Dorr last week, so sorry RAV definitely you're there, but there's also a a push by I mean OAN have faced that with getting removed off some of the networks obviously the system wants to to put Steve Bannon in jail for four months, the last four months the last four months of the number one political podcast America like, let's join the dots there. And of course, what's happening to Alex Jones and InfoWars is huge. And you've got others, but you've still got other networks with Blaze and Daily Wire. It's a whole plethora, but there is a cost, I guess, for speaking truth. You've seen that personally, but also these media outlets are seeing that. And yet those voices we've talked about, those channels, they don't care. They just want to fight. There's nothing you can do to Steve Bannon. He just, well, we need to fight harder. And that's the response we need, I think, in the media.

Well, yeah, and I think it is. Back in 2020, there were a handful of us that were talking about the election, but there weren't many. And they tried very hard to silence us. And I'm so grateful that I've had the support that I've had at the time from OAN and now at the RNC and with the Trump campaign and that they have supported what I want to say and what I want to speak about it.

We have to fight for our rights. I mean, our constitution, our bill of rights is only as good as if we use it. It's only good if we use it and we have to use it. And I think right now we're being put to the test of, do you believe that your constitutional rights are actually valid and stronger than anybody who's trying to manipulate them or destroy them? And I say, yes. I say, I think at the end of this, it's painful. I certainly will come out with a few bumps and bruises, but I do believe that the Constitution is stronger than those that are trying to manipulate it, lie about it, break it, destroy it, and solidify power among a select few. That is the antithesis of what the United States of America is. We are a decentralized nation in theory by design.

Power is decentralized among the 50 states. And it's the voters that control power in the United States, American voters. And we have to restore that. We're getting there, but we have to restore that.

You've got, what, five months more of this. You'll certainly want a break at the end, I'm sure. But you've got, and I've never, looking at politics across the world, you see campaigns kind of moving and then hitting roadblocks and reassessing or changing. With the Trump campaign, it just seems to kind of just keep doing what you're doing, keep ramping it up. You're hitting on all the points. And that's fairly rare as well, that there aren't the mistakes. Trump is a known quantity. He's got people around him he knows and trusts.

But yeah, it's just, it seems to be just keep doing what you're doing. And that'skind of quite rare, I think, in elections to have, I guess, that confidence at the front where it's not opinion polling and talking to different groups. What should we talk about?

Trump knows what to talk about. I think that's also refreshing, that honesty and, I guess, knowing where the vision is at the top.

Yeah, and that really comes from him. I mean, I think he intuitively understands the everyday American, which is really fascinating how that happens. But he does. He gets it. He understands what they want as parents. He understands what they want as voters. He understands what they want as far as the borders concerned, as education is concerned, as the economy, every issue. He gets it. And it's a very and he jokes about this in his speeches. He would say it's common sense, but it turns out it's not that common anymore. Like, you know, it's just common sense of how the government needs to be run. And I think the difference is because he truly is in this for the American people and he truly is trying to make our way of life the best that it possibly can be. Whereas when you have other politicians that need to do opinion polling and figure out what people want to hear about, it's because they're not actually in it for the people. They're in it to try to win their own races.

And so they're trying to figure out how do I win my race rather than how do I best serve the people? And Donald Trump is 100 percent aimed at serving the American people and making sure that the power of the American government is restored to the American people. And people are getting it. They get it. And you don't have to do big surveys. He just understands what they need because he's in it for their best interest. And it's unique because most politicians are in it for their own best interest and he's not clearly, clearly he's not in it for his own best interest

It's true as I said I've heard him speeches, why am I doing this, life will be easier but I'm doing it because it's the right thing to do. You don't usually hear those words from politicians. Christina I really appreciate you coming on, I know you're exceptionally busy with the RNC campaign. I really appreciate you coming on and really encourage, the the links will be in the description for your book 'stealing your vote' and if the viewers, listeners want to delve into and remind themselves what happened in 2020 that is a perfect place to go so thank you so much for joining us Christina.

Thank you so much for having me.