Jacki Deason - The Great Debate: Biden, Trump and the Path Forward for America

Hearts of Oak Podcast

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We are delighted to welcome Jacki Deason, who is the host of The Jacki Daily Show on blaze.com to help Peter delve into the recent presidential debate.
They begin by critiquing candidate performances and discussing political strategies before touching on cultural Marxism's impact on institutions, advocating for balanced history education, and prioritizing national interests in industries like energy.
The conversation extends to renewable energy challenges, highlighting the need for informed decision-making, stressing the importance of nuanced understanding and thoughtful discourse on complex societal issues.

Jacki Deason hosts The Jacki Daily Show, a weekly show and podcast airing on BlazeMedia, on the dial in Texas, and podcast on iHeartRadio, iTunes, Spotify, and Stitcher.
Previously, Jacki worked for an engineering firm specializing in energy production, national security, and environmental cleanup. She served as legal counsel on Capitol Hill to the Chairman of the Subcommittee on the Constitution and the former Ranking Member of the Commercial and Administrative Law Subcommittee, advising on the oversight of federal agencies. Prior to her career in Washington, she worked as a corporate litigator, and as an Assistant Vice President for a national bank.
Jacki studied Economics, Spanish, and World History at Marshall University (U.S. Society of Yeager Scholars), Oxford University (U.K.), and the University of Zaragoza (Spain). She is an alum of the Vanderbilt University Law School, where she served as the President of the law school’s Federalist Society chapter.
Jacki has an extensive network from which the show draws its guests—including industry leaders representing all parts of the energy sector, government officials, journalists, and political insiders. Often, Jacki will know the day’s most-wanted guest and be able to secure the guest with a personal call.
Jacki is from the Ohio River Valley, where the shale runs deep. She descends from a long line of energy workers, including roughnecks, railroaders, coal miners, and nuclear energy specialists.

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TRANSCRIPT

(Hearts of Oak)

It's wonderful to have a guest on, first time, who I met over when I was stateside last time, Jacki Deason.

Jacki, thank you so much for your time today.

(Jacki Deason)

Thank you so much, Peter, for the opportunity.

I'm looking forward to this.

Not at all.

I know you've got a lot happening in everything, in media world, and everything else, so it is great to have you on.

And, of course, you host the Jacki Daily Show, a weekly show airing on Blaze Media.

And I had the privilege of actually getting a tour of the fantastic Blaze Studios, which made me feel a little bit jealous as a Brit.

But great.

And I know on your tagline, it says, entertains and educates a worldwide audience, dispels fear with facts and all things energy, freedom, happiness and prosperity.

And I love that uplifting message.

And your background you worked in energy and then before that legal counsel on Capitol Hill and then before that you worked as a corporate litigator and assistant at the president for a national bank.

So, a lot in there in your background a lot of experience you bring and I love talking to those in the media who actually have a wealth of background experience they bring to that and it's It's not just another podcast.

So, great to have you with us.

And obviously, people can find you @JackiDailyHost on Twitter or X.

And JackiDaily.com is the website.

And all the links for your Facebook and Instagram are all up there on the website and on Twitter.

Now, the first thing I need to ask you, of course, Jacki, is the presidential debate last night.

And I didn't subject myself to the whole two hours.

I watched snippets of it, maybe snippets more on the Trump side, because you get what feed Twitter gives you.

But what were your thoughts on that?

And I've read a lot of newspaper headlines, but what were your thoughts?

So, I watched it from start to finish and I went and got a massage and took a nap before the debate just to get rested up for it.

Like everyone here was so jacked up, amped up for it.

You know, I mean, we couldn't wait, because we actually thought this moment might never come, either because Biden would just refuse to debate, which is the new thing, or because, you know, Trump could be in jail.

Literally, it's possible.

So, we didn't know what was going to happen.

Out of nowhere came this early debate, which is weird.

I'm telling you, the Democrats are doing that strategically, agreeing to that so that they can show the world why they have no choice but to replace him at the convention.

Probably with Michelle Obama, could be Gavin Newsom.

But it's Michelle Obama who, who, you know, they put these books out for her, book tours all over the place.

She's all over these shows that are, you know, supposedly mainstream culture shows, but they're really run by Democrat loyalists at the top.

She's the one that's being traipsed out all the time, not Gavin Newsom.

They did have a debate with Gavin Newsom and DeSantis earlier in the year.

So, some people thought they were, like, trying him out.

But, I really think that's the whole purpose of this debate.

I think it came from the Democrat side.

They know the problem they have.

I mean, there's no way that Biden can not have major gaps showing that he's cognitively not there anymore.

He wasn't in 2016 either, really, but they could hide it well enough.

People scorned me for saying that he was being drugged up in advance of national media appearances.

But you know what?

Like about 95 percent of conservatives believe that.

And now probably 90 percent of liberals would believe that.

I don't know.

But anyway, you heard Biden say that there were a thousand trillionaires in America.

I mean, whoa, that people were being raped by their in-laws and their brothers and sisters, that he beat Medicare, that Democrats are against late-term abortion.

Abortion, I'm sure that disgusted and shocked his base, who think therefore, or at least if they actually correct that, most Democrats are not, but the party apparatus, the people at the highest levels most certainly are.

So anyway, those were all major flaws in his performance, I thought, aside from the obvious the name calling and moodiness and all that.

Trump actually, I thought, performed just like last time, which is that, you know, I watched and he is, he missed a lot of opportunities to lay out.

Well, there were a lot of opportunities, I agree.

I mean, I think it's just that he refuses to prepare, right?

So because, like you said, He said, I saw the quote, he says, I've been preparing for this debate all of my life.

He is off the cuff because he is, in fact, a performer.

He is an entertainer.

And that works to his benefit a lot.

People don't know, if you haven't been to a Trump rally, he's a completely different person.

He is like a stand-up comedian.

He is very relaxed.

He's having a great time.

He's witty and clever.

Last night, he was agitated.

You know, it wasn't, it's a very different Trump.

And so, you know, I heard a lot of repetition in there.

And, you know, John McCain did the same thing.

They're two very different people, two very different people.

But, you know, I thought Trump was passable.

I don't think it changed really anyone's minds.

Campaigns, the only person who changed minds was Biden, because now he did his job, which was to convince the Democrats that they don't want him on the ticket, even though they voted for him in the primary.

That's the issue.

And he has to want to step down.

I mean, I actually thought that maybe going after his son criminally was about coercing him to step down.

They did the same thing to General Flynn on the Republican side, you might remember.

So, that either didn't work or he didn't get it.

He really cognitively might not even understand threats at this point.

So, it's very interesting.

But there's a total meltdown this morning on the Democrat side, which I think is orchestrated, foreseeable.

I try to not get too political on my, X account.

You know, I actually try to avoid the words Democrat or Republican.

It's not a partisan show.

It's a policy show.

So, I don't, but I don't mind when I go into other people's shows.

It's your show.

So, you can ask anything you want.

And the truth is I love talking politics.

I don't get to do it very often on my show.

So, this is a real treat for me.

Good.

Well, I want to ask you everything.

And I've had the privilege of being at three Trump rallies, including my picture with the man himself, so it's it's phenomenal and from someone who's been at steeped in U.K politics nothing beats a trump rally.

So, anyone watching this you have to get out to a trump rally before November, because nothing beats that atmosphere the excitement the the electric environment that is.

But I was kind of thinking, and I agree with your assessment fully.

I'm glad I'm not more down the rabbit hole than you are; Michelle Obama: I agree it ticks those boxes.

I wonder why kind of you the trump team would want to debate Biden, because you don't want him to look too decrepit because then it plays into the hands of those who want to remove him, but the media have portrayed him as mentally unable over the last maybe one, two, three, months and it of seems to be playing up and this seems to be the the culmination in that.

So, maybe the Trump team couldn't actually do anything about it that they had to push for the debate, agree, and then whatever happens-happens.

So, what...

Yeah, what were your I thought why would he want to debate debate Biden, because he seems to be winning on immigration on the border and economy, so why go into that.

You know, I don't communicate with the Trump team, so I don't have any special insight into that decision making process.

But I will tell you, I do believe what they should have done is waited until after the Democratic convention, which is the normal course of things.

I mean, that's the way it normally works.

I mean, the fact that they would agree to this should have tipped off some alarm bells.

So, I do think that was a tactical mistake myself.

I think I think that part of what they must have been thinking is literally it's possible Trump will be in jail between now and the election.

What the debates represent, and few people appreciate this, even in the States, is it is the one event where you have both sides watching, listening, meaning President Trump can get through to even the Democrat supporters of Biden with zero media filter.

And that almost never happens.

It almost doesn't exist.

Everything we get is filtered through our media source of choice.

And so it's really scary that we live in these echo chambers and now you have social media so you can cultivate your own reality and universe and friend set.

So, I love debates because it's the one opportunity we get to really speak directly to the other side.

We have to find all of those opportunities we can.

And even people like you and me, who we might not be running for president, but we do have a platform and a voice.

And I try very hard to find those opportunities to speak directly to people on the other side, especially at the highest levels.

Levels because once you spend time around them, which is so rare these days, unfortunately, you realize something.

Many of them are just human beings.

They really do believe in what they're doing sometimes.

Some of them do.

And so I've spent a lot of time lately trying to hack the filter that they're seeing through and figure out how do we get to them?

Because here's what I come away with every single time.

Every single time I spend time with a high profile liberal, like having drinks or spending social time, you know, just really downtime.

It's that both sides maybe are being deceived.

What the really bad guys, the really bad guys don't want is for us to communicate directly and get around the filters that are put on us.

By both sides of the corporate media.

So...

I just, we have to remain humanized to each other.

We become objectified as some big, horrible, awful other out there.

And they believe the worst things imaginable about us.

And it has to be shocking for them to be around us and find out that we're just normal, decent, caring, respectful human beings.

And so I just come away with this.

I'm not going to give you the names, but it was just a couple of months ago.

I was out in Palo Alto, California with two extremely high profile liberals.

You would know their names right away in the UK too.

And so we were meeting for this kind of side reason.

It's not the core of what I do at all.

I just happened to be there.

In fact, I wasn't really an invitee and clearly they had no idea who I was, because I walk in and spend half an hour talking to one of them before this thing gets started.

And she's like, so what do you do?

And I'm like, well, I do energy and environment research.

And she goes, oh, how lovely.

She has no idea who I am, which is great.

So, we have this amazing conversation.

And here's the bottom line.

At the end of this long event, we then go have drinks.

And it's just a few of us, like less than five.

And these two to say to me, every day, we were on the phone this morning and we said, every day we become more conservative, because they're like, you know what?

Pro-Hamas protests, we're out.

This business of, you know, operating on children, removing their genitals, so they can't reproduce before they're even old enough to know, you know, you're four years old.

Every other day you think you're a dinosaur, much less the opposite sex.

They're like, we're out.

We're having no part of that.

We cannot be a part of that.

It's a violation of our conscience.

And then, you know, men in our transition, men in women's sports, we're out.

We can't be a part of that.

And even one of them was in a gay marriage and said that the other one, the spouse, had just been let go from a job for refusing to identify pronouns, because that person objected.

You know, there are actually people on the other side who are reasonable.

They know what's happening is not the truth.

They know they're being asked to be part of something that cannot be right.

And so, I really just came away with a lot of hope after speaking with them.

Like I said, they'd been drinking.

I feel like they were like loosened up and it was like a truth serum coming out.

And it was really very reassuring.

And then they said to me, they said, you know, people just believe that Republicans don't care about people.

I said, that is just emphatically false.

It is emphatically false.

I feel like most of my day is filled with trying to figure out how to protect people.

And so anyway, what I'm saying to you is that conversation was so valuable.

It was so valuable because that's a humanizing conversation.

I think it's exactly the conversation that the really bad guys don't want us to have.

hey don't want us to figure out that the people on the other side are probably actually decent human beings who just, that what's happened is we, we all have, different information sets, different life experiences, different, friend sets.

And so that's probably the biggest difference between the average liberal and average conservative. It's different. You've been exposed to different information.

And so, but you're not that different.

So, I just want this unifying message.

I had a separate conversation with a guy who was the founder of the Bloods street gang here in Dallas.

There's the Bloods and the Crips in LA, very famous.

There've been films made about it.

There are rap songs about it.

These are very violent criminal gangs, but they are a family to the people who join them, because often they don't have family.

Anyway, I was speaking with him him.

And I could tell you other things about him that make him different from me.

We’re racially different.

We're at this point, socioeconomically different, but I just, we had this amazing conversation and I just thought this is exactly, again, I came away thinking, this is the conversation that the people who work to divide us don't want us to have.

We have to force those conversations in those social settings where it's not a debate.

You're not at a panel, right?

You know, where it's scripted in front of a lot of people.

You're just talking one-on-one.

I want to pick up, because that's a really interesting line, because often we see the other side as the enemy, or we see them as actually as maybe evil in what they push forward and forget that they are probably misinformed.

And that may be a better place to start.

I want to pick up on that, but I wanted to ask you one more question on the debate, because some of the headlines, I mean, even CNN talked about 67% thought that Trump won.

From their viewers and 33% thought the Biden one, I don't know where how those 33% were watching; maybe they were sleeping, I don't know.

You were pulling The White House staff.

They could have been but and then a lot of the headlines.

I mean, New York post: this debate was a blowout for Trump, political Democrats really have no way to spin this.

And New York Times piece: Joe Biden is a good man a good president, but he must buy out of the race.

And then CNN did that fact check and and showed a lot of the stuff was incorrect.

Independent in the U.K: I really didn't know what he said and I think, I don't think he does either, which was a quote from Trump.

That was the headline of the article.

Trump pulls no punches as Biden struggles in debate Sky News an unmitigating disaster for Biden and tv debate with Trump as he faces calls from democrats to step aside which is what you touched on.

Then The Guardian, who will replace Joe Biden, and a lot of other publications beginning to talk about who will replace for the first time ever, actually.

It's been more the conservative side, but actually seeing the left.

And it seemed as though simply on the end with Joe Biden taking him by the hand and leading the poor guy off stage where Trump just walks off.

All of that.

Seem to be put out to say, actually, he's not able to continue.

And I'm firmly of the view, not that I would put money on it, even after our conversation, but actually, Michelle Obama seems to tick all the boxes the Democrats want.

So they think.

I'll tell you what, here's my thought about it.

And maybe I'm totally wrong, not like I had my finger on the pulse of the average Democrat voter.

But she seems to me to check the boxes for the elite Democrat set.

The elites, they're the ones that you the only ones you're allowed to hear from, really, on cable news.

So, Michelle Obama, she is, I think I was saying I grew up beneath the poverty line.

I'm now very much not.

The liberals in the suburbs and the really nice neighbourhoods think she's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I'll tell you who I don't think thinks that.

Union Democrats, people working with their hands, which historically was a huge voting bloc for Democrats.

And they've already been peeling off a lot long before she came along.

Then Hispanics. I mean, again, Hispanics are very practical people.

There's no cocktail circuit that they're going to care about as much.

These are like, some of them are new Americans, but a lot of them are not.

People forget.

We have a very large Hispanic community that's Cuban in South Florida and Venezuelan from the central and South America.

You've got the Puerto Ricans in New York.

[20:39] You've got Mexicans in Texas.

[20:42] And we we have in this southwestern part of the country, Hispanics who were here long before we were, like literally, they didn't immigrate anywhere in the last probably thousand years.

So, they're a huge demographic that's now flipping Republican.

And people marvelled at this last election.

These were once Native American tribes.

Then they were conquered by the Mexicans, specifically the Spanish government when they were still in control of Mexico.

Then they were Texians because they'd won their independence from Mexico.

Then they joined the United States.

So, the borders just keep running over top of these folks.

That's a huge demographic.

What is it about Michelle Obama that appeals to them at all?

I can't think of really one reason why. What has she accomplished, really?

They don't care about checking boxes and woke politics.

These are people who care about inflation and crime and immigration, obviously, for where they live is going to be the big issue for them.

I'm just not at all sure.

Then how about all of the new immigrants who come from countries?

Where women don't have the status that they have here?

How about countries where, you know, if women testify in court, their testimony is worth half of a man's?

We're importing immigrants from countries where that is the practice.

That is the belief system.

Why are they going to go for Michelle Obama?

I just don't, I don't see it.

Okay, well, we'll watch it and see if her surname carries her forward or whether they choose someone else.

But I 100% agree, that everything was played out to show that Biden is not able to stand us, whether Jill Biden accepts us, maybe that could be the sticking point.

I'm sure she's enjoying that position in the White House.

Jacki, I'm interested in your thoughts on the whole march of cultural Marxism, which you've seen over the past couple of decades, really, through every institution, not only in the US, but here in the UK and across Europe.

And during this election, immigration and the economy are the two big issues, whether it's in the European elections just passed or the French elections just happening, the UK elections coming up in days or the US election in November.

It's actually interesting the same issues which is border control, immigration, and the economy, but the whole issue of cultural Marxism and how it's torn up a lot of our institutions and I'm wondering how that kind of fits in in regards to rewriting American history, and then we'll get on to kind of education, the whole gender debate, but where does that fit into this, presidential election?

So, I mean, we now have reached, the Marxists have now reached a critical mass of young people.

So, let's say people under the age of maybe who genuinely are buying into what they're.

Which is that there's an us versus the oppressor.

So they're permitting the people teaching them to divide us.

That's the first issue.

And it's just a modern application.

And because they don't have enough evidence, I mean, they tried earlier in American history in the last 100 years to divide us, lower income bracket, upper income bracket.

They introduced the words class.

That's why I try so hard to avoid using the words working class, upper middle class.

The word class itself is dividing.

It just means, you know, let's call them upper income, lower income.

It didn't work in America because frankly, I mean, I grew up in a lower income family.

Our lives were not that bad.

You know, I don't recall ever going hungry, ever going homeless.

We were free.

We could say what we wanted, do what we wanted.

It wasn't like Europe where only the elite could hunt.

We could hunt, we could fish and feed ourselves and grow our own crops.

We all had gardens growing up.

Our lives were pretty good.

The socioeconomic Marxism really never caught on here. gear.

So, they shifted gears.

And now it's all about your immutable characteristics, race, sex, or now they'll fluid it with gender.

Race and sex, you inherited those completely beyond any control of your own from the moment of your conception, not the moment of your birth, the moment of your conception.

You were encoded with your DNA as male or female, black, white, whatever.

And so this has been success.

What's amazing is they had to do the bag of checks and go back 400 years to the 1619 Project to be able to find sins big enough to cause people to begin to question whether or not America was good, whether or not they are good, whether or not their parents are any good and their grandparents.

And so what I see happening, and it's the critical theory school, the Frankfurt School and all that, you're seeing them use critical theory, which in my mind is the cheapest theory.

Easiest, lowest bar school.

And all it does is say, all right, let's take whatever it is we want to destroy, zoom in on the worst moments in the history, moments in a person's life, blow them up out of all proportion and pretend they're representative.

And by all means, what you will never want to do is actually show the other side of that person or that country.

Here's the truth, right?

You can destroy any country or people or person with that approach.

There is no people group that didn't practice slavery.

And in fact, Americans were one of the first to abolish it.

I mean, slavery is going on right now all over the world.

There are more people enslaved right now than in any other time in history.

Do people even know that?

They don't, because if they did, the fault wouldn't break down along racial lines that the Marxists need to get what they want politically in this country.

It's just a matter of changing the perspective of the kids they're brainwashing and saying, just a minute, let me ask you one question.

What country would you rather live in, the United States or pick a Marxist country?

Pick one.

Cuba, Russia, some of the middle America countries have hard left governments.

Some of the South American countries, you know, I don't see you rushing their border the way the people from those countries are rushing our border.

Why is that?

Why do they want to be here?

We must be doing something right.

Would you like to talk about what we're doing right?

You know, would Would you like to talk about what's so great about America or the West or Christendom as it was once known?

Countries that have a Christian background?

I mean, one of the things I thank God for is that I was born in this country and I wasn't born an Iraqi Christian in the last 30 years.

Or a Syrian Christian or a Lebanese Christian.

The war on Christians and the genocide that's happened against Christians around the world, not just in the Middle East and North Africa, but all over the place, is an outrage.

And no one seems too concerned about that.

Why?

Why aren't Americans under the age of 40 taught about that?

Why not?

Instead of learning about the genocide that's happening today.

They're learning about something that happened 400 years ago.

They have to reach back 400 years.

And still, if I were born, you know, check their boxes.

If I were a young, black, female, bisexual, I'd far rather live in the United States than live in any other country.

Period.

Period.

And so what are we doing right?

Why is that true?

And why is nobody asking these questions?

So, I guess what I'm saying is it's a critical theory.

[29:50] And you can get people to understand this by applying it to one human being, rather than looking at countries, rather than needing a command of world history, which most people don't have, because the Department of Education scrubbed that out of the curriculum a long time ago to make sure you can't do this analysis I'm asking you to do.

Let's look at one person.

Let's take the Christian view of this, which is you can take any human being and, and take the worst moments of their lives where they behave the worst, they did the worst thing that they're most ashamed of, that they most regret.

You can zoom in on that and put it up on a big, you know, overhead projector.

Let me show you how old I am and overhead projector and, or put it up on your social media and pay for it to go viral and show the world that one worst moment in that human being's life and pretend like that represents their life.

There's nothing else to know, right?

They've never done anything good in their life.

There's no redeeming anything about that person.

This is it.

That's what the Marxists do.

That's what the politics is about today.

And it's about dehumanizing and demonizing that person or that country or that culture or that faith off the very worst moments in history three with the very worst people who ever phony put on the mantra and that, that label.

So, I guess it's just, it's the critical thinking that we have to teach to the younger people so they don't fall victim to this warring against their own people, their own family, you know, people who won't even speak to their parents anymore because they, they believe something different about supply side economics or taxation or something.

It's ridiculous.

And that's brainwashing.

And it's what What brainwashers do, they isolate you from everyone who ever loved you.

So, they can have their way with you in your brain.

And so it's not that the kids are bad, and it's not that they're stupid.

It's none of those things.

And you have to refrain from getting angry about it and calling people names, because it's actually that nobody has ever taught them real history.

No one has ever taught them how to think critically, because that's the last thing that the Marxists want.

I was talking to a lady yesterday in Texas who is doing education reform.

Now, she said, this is in Texas now, they don't even want to give the kindergartners pencils or crayons.

God forbid they might learn how to read and write.

You know, it was illegal in slave-holding countries to teach the slaves how to read.

You know why?

They might actually advance in society.

They're harder to subdue.

And now they're doing the exact same thing in Texas schools or someone's trying to make that the policy.

This is an outrage.

And they do it on the basis of not every kid can read and write.

Not every kid can succeed.

We need to care about the people at the lower end who can't succeed.

And that is a thinly veiled excuse for keeping them down.

We got to call this what it is.

That is victimization.

That's a predator trying to keep those kids down.

It's really disgusting.

And there are very few people who are truly the bad people.

Again, it's only the operatives who want to keep us divided and want to keep people ignorant.

We have to recognize this is so important.

It's a teeny little sliver of the population.

It's not the Democrat party.

Most Democrats don't feel that way.

It's some of the people at the top of the apparatus who are funding things, who run the media.

And we all need to kind of get together against that teeny little sliver of bad people trying.

And why do they do it?

You know, it's about power and money.

It's about separating people from their rights and their money and their autonomy and their self-determination.

Anyway, I could go on for a long time.

As you can see, I'm very passionate about this and reframing the debate so that people aren't having their heritage stripped from them. Americans should be very proud to be Americans.

There's a lot we do right.

And that's why there are millions of people flooding our border to get in here.

And nowhere else in the world do you see that.

Yeah, I agree.

We're seeing British history rewritten where the British Empire is now something awful instead of looking at how William Wilberforce was the forefront of actually freeing, stopping slavery and then looking at the educational side, the health side, transport, all those things that were provided and history is rewritten.

And it kind of fits into in the US where Make America Great Again is an uplifting message of hope, of actually bringing the country to where it should be.

And that's now degraded as evil and hateful.

It's curious where making a country great is regarded as awful.

It's, yeah, a curious mix.

It's a very difficult mantra to try to demonize, but people have certainly tried.

And so, you know, they're like, what he's trying to say, they make this up.

Okay.

They're saying what Trump is trying to say is that somehow we were great when we were less diverse.

It's like, actually, this country has always been diverse.

Always.

There's never been a day, a day since America existed from the 1700s that we didn't have have.

Native Americans, especially all over the frontier, wherever that was, we have, you know, always had, at least since the 1700s, a hefty percentage of Black Americans.

We had, as you know, the Spanish were in Florida, the French were in the North, the Dutch, you know, it used to be Dutch in New York before it was English, before we renamed it York.

Yeah.

But anyway, and of course, as I told you, the people in the Southwest, they were always tribal and they're still there.

They're not on reservations.

They live in Laredo.

They live in El Paso.

So anyway, it's always been a diverse country.

Therefore, the slogan, Make America Great Again, in, does not hearken back to some, this is what they, his enemies want you to believe, like it harkens back to some time when America was all white.

When was that?

But because their sense of history is about as deep as their lifetime, or maybe not even that long, they became politically conscious five years ago.

So, nothing existed before five years ago.

And so anyway, I mean, sometimes I make fun of the the people on the other side just because you have to laugh or cry.

You got to have some fun sometime.

But really, there's a great mission in front of us to educate people about real history and some of it is dark, some of it is bad, and then we have to own it.

When you were in Texas, for example.

My studio, part of the studio is a museum.

It's called the American Journey Experience. And the museum highlights all kinds of things from Hollywood and its history to, you know, to the Geneva Bible, to crime and punishment.

There's an electric chair in there showing you some of the really dark stuff.

And Glenn Beck is, you know, running that project.

And he's like the the lead host at the Blaze Media.

He thought it was important to take all the horrible things in history and showcase them accurately, which sometimes it's actually worse than you think.

Sometimes it's better than you think.

But also there's American greatness in the museum.

You can also see a whole library of burned books that the Nazis burned in World War II.

So, you know, it's just a lot of great stuff that you can't really get anywhere else.

And so that's the importance of history.

We have to tell it all. The good and the bad.

Concede the bad points.

But make sure the good points are taught.

And you're making me jealous again and I did see some of that.

I thought it's so essential that that story, that history is preserved because there seems to be an onslaught everywhere.

One of the other tidelines is America first.

First and this is something that actually Europe are struggling with actually nations being the priority for the government which should be the first duty of any government putting the country and citizens first and we've ended up a duty of the government seems to be putting the citizens last.

I mean when Trump was in the White House he there were many things that he wanted to do with manufacturing, with energy, and I know your background in energy, and he always talked about being energy independent.

And we've moved away, not only in America, but in Britain, we've got gas in the North Sea, and we were energy independent for decades.

But we've moved away from that to shipping LPG from foreign countries, and that seems better than actually producing it under our own feet.

But that must be another part of Trump's call for November to actually put America first and to use the resources that America has instead of relying on other countries.

Right.

So, you know, COVID should have taught us about strategic commodities.

There were all kinds of things that we needed and we weren't sure that we would have them, whether it's pharmaceuticals like antibiotics or whether it's PPE is what we call it.

But that's basically during COVID, it's all the sterile stuff, the masks, you know, the gloves, the simple stuff, plastic barriers.

America doesn't manufacture anything anymore.

Well, take that problem and put it on steroids when you're talking about oil and gas.

Oil and gas run the world, even now and even for the foreseeable future, at least 20 years from now. Anything to the contrary is just a lie.

It's just a lie.

Imagine this in in the first two world wars the united states supplied about 70 percent of the oil and gas or the fuel to the allies that was needed to win those wars if it weren't for American oil and gas and American steel as well those wars would have gone the other direction, understand it.

So, that's why you know Hitler was trying so hard to get Baku Azerbaijan on.

That's the oldest oil field in the world. It's huge.

And he really needed that to continue the war.

That's a lot of what went wrong for him.

And thank God it went wrong for him.

And so it was us storming the beaches of Europe at this time with oil and natural gas.

And it's one reason why the pipeline that the Russians lost was such a big deal too.

Because everyone knows fossil fuels are still what run the world.

It's the reason why China's building all these coal plants, because they're smart.

They have to somehow take care of 1.3 or more billion people.

You can't do that without fossil fuels.

We are watching this bizarre suicide that our federal government is trying to impose upon us.

Right now, the U.S. is the number one oil producer on Earth.

We're the number one natural gas producer on Earth.

That wasn't true before the fracking revolution.

So first you saw the attack on fracking.

It supposedly is destroying groundwater.

It's destroying the air and all that proved false.

It was debunked.

Then it was methane.

Then it's attack pipelines.

Suddenly pipelines are evil, even though they're obviously the most green way of moving the hydrocarbon because the alternatives are rail and truck.

When you stop the pipeline, all you're doing is moving it to rail and truck, which has like 20 times the carbon footprint of a pipeline.

So anyway, back to what Trump needs to do is make clear to people, number one, face the reality.

With math and with physics, it is not possible to run this country on wind and solar, nor is it green, by the way, but that's a much longer conversation.

But when you watch people make really bad decisions like like RFK Jr. And Governor Cuomo, who banned fracking in New York, an outrage.

New York is rich in shale.

It has one of the most monstrous shale plays in the country.

Pennsylvania chose to develop it.

So, you have like a lot of wealth in Pennsylvania.

These poor farmers up in New York, they can't have any of that money and the New Yorkers can't have any of the gas.

So guess what?

The result is that the Russians are pulling their tankers into the Northeast to give New York its natural gas.

And the New Yorkers are paying the Russians and therefore or have been since over the time when they did the ban, which I think was 2014.

Russians are a little more suppressed at this point.

But for a long, long, long time, that's what happened.

Now you're paying Russia for your fuel.

Congratulations.

You didn't change one thing about the amount of fossil fuels you're burning.

All you're doing is giving Putin money to fuel a war.

And so this is what happens.

But the New Yorkers really believed that if they voted for the fracking ban, they were all going to just magically hop over to wind and solar, which can't even fuel that state.

Apparently, all the battery storage in the country right now could run New York City for an hour.

So, yeah, but they were lied to.

They were lied to.

And so they didn't know that.

hey would never have made that choice if they'd had the real facts that people like Governor Cuomo and RFK Jr.

Miseducated them because they were miseducated themselves.

Yeah, not huge.

I think energy needs to be; without energy actually economy collapses nothing works and energy is is absolutely central and forefront to to anything..

Jacki, I really do appreciate your time covering obviously the debate that we've just had and touching on some of those key issues which I think will be front and foremost in this election campaign.

So, thank you so much for giving us your time today.

Thank you, Peter.

And thank you for the opportunity.

It's really fun to connect across the ocean here, have this conversation.

I really appreciate everything you do.

Oh, thank you.

You keep up the great work.