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Max Rashbrooke: How and why NZ should 'clean big money out' of political donations

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New Zealand ought to change its political party funding system so it encourages politicians to connect with as many ordinary New Zealanders as possible, Max Rashbrooke argues, whilst noting it's not in political parties' interests to do so meaning such a change probably won't happen anytime soon.

Rashbrooke, a senior research fellow in the school of government at Victoria University, spoke about political donations in a new episode of interest.co.nz's Of Interest podcastas the October 14 election looms. Rashbrooke, and his Victoria University colleague Lisa Marriott, last year published a report on political party funding in NZ called Money for Something.

Rashbrooke says work on the report gave the authors "a glimpse into quite a murky world" of access and influence. One where party leaders, including prime ministers, fund raisers and big money donors, are in each other's company through a socialisation network featuring big fundraising dinners and other encounters.

This enormous and informal access to party leaders is something the rest of us wouldn't hope to enjoy, he says.

"So there's an immense socialisation and during that process I think it's fairly obvious that the views and interests of the donors and the politicians are to some extent going to become aligned," Rashbrooke says.

One of five key recommendations from the report is for the introduction of state funding in the form of tax credits and democracy vouchers, plus lump sum payments to smaller parties.

Rashbrooke notes NZ already has state funding for political parties via a broadcasting allowance, and money for parties to run their parliamentary wings. The question is whether we would benefit from a small increase in that, when the public has "massive distrust" in the current system given research shows more than 70% of New Zealanders say they don't trust the way political parties are funded.

"The thread that I think holds together all of our recommendations is that we as New Zealanders would all be better off if we shifted from a system that relies on large amounts of money from a small number of donors to a system that relies on small amounts of money from a large number of donors. You are preserving peoples' freedom to donate to a political party of their choice, but what you're doing is creating a world where political parties aren't beholden to any one donor because no one is giving them a very large amount of money. And actually they are incentivised to go out and connect with a huge range of ordinary New Zealanders, which is what we want political parties to do," Rashbrooke says.

"Whereas the current system for their funding just encourages them to spend a huge amount of time on a small number of very wealthy people."

The report recommends a version of the Canadian system where for small donations, up to about $2,000, the donor gets a tax credit for a proportion of that donation.

"So basically through those tax credits the state is subsidising people to give small amounts to political parties, but capping the subsidy at a very low level so the incentive is just for those small donations," says Rashbrooke.

"We're talking about maybe $5 million to $6 million a year, that's it. So my pitch is for probably for less than $2 per person in New Zealand, $2 per voter, we could just clean big money out of the system completely and remove the potential for influence that it brings."

In the podcast he also talks about why he doesn't think such a change is likely in the short-term, the unprecedented situation where National and ACT are getting way more money than Labour, what a donation is, who can make one, how important donations are to political parties, what we know about the people and entities that donate and what they want, whether it's possible to draw a direct line between donations and policies, whether there's an advantage for the party or parties who raise more money, and more.

*You can find all episodes of the Of Interest podcast here.

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New Zealand ought to change its political party funding system so it encourages politicians to connect with as many ordinary New Zealanders as possible, Max Rashbrooke argues, whilst noting it's not in political parties' interests to do so meaning such a change probably won't happen anytime soon.

Rashbrooke, a senior research fellow in the school of government at Victoria University, spoke about political donations in a new episode of interest.co.nz's Of Interest podcastas the October 14 election looms. Rashbrooke, and his Victoria University colleague Lisa Marriott, last year published a report on political party funding in NZ called Money for Something.

Rashbrooke says work on the report gave the authors "a glimpse into quite a murky world" of access and influence. One where party leaders, including prime ministers, fund raisers and big money donors, are in each other's company through a socialisation network featuring big fundraising dinners and other encounters.

This enormous and informal access to party leaders is something the rest of us wouldn't hope to enjoy, he says.

"So there's an immense socialisation and during that process I think it's fairly obvious that the views and interests of the donors and the politicians are to some extent going to become aligned," Rashbrooke says.

One of five key recommendations from the report is for the introduction of state funding in the form of tax credits and democracy vouchers, plus lump sum payments to smaller parties.

Rashbrooke notes NZ already has state funding for political parties via a broadcasting allowance, and money for parties to run their parliamentary wings. The question is whether we would benefit from a small increase in that, when the public has "massive distrust" in the current system given research shows more than 70% of New Zealanders say they don't trust the way political parties are funded.

"The thread that I think holds together all of our recommendations is that we as New Zealanders would all be better off if we shifted from a system that relies on large amounts of money from a small number of donors to a system that relies on small amounts of money from a large number of donors. You are preserving peoples' freedom to donate to a political party of their choice, but what you're doing is creating a world where political parties aren't beholden to any one donor because no one is giving them a very large amount of money. And actually they are incentivised to go out and connect with a huge range of ordinary New Zealanders, which is what we want political parties to do," Rashbrooke says.

"Whereas the current system for their funding just encourages them to spend a huge amount of time on a small number of very wealthy people."

The report recommends a version of the Canadian system where for small donations, up to about $2,000, the donor gets a tax credit for a proportion of that donation.

"So basically through those tax credits the state is subsidising people to give small amounts to political parties, but capping the subsidy at a very low level so the incentive is just for those small donations," says Rashbrooke.

"We're talking about maybe $5 million to $6 million a year, that's it. So my pitch is for probably for less than $2 per person in New Zealand, $2 per voter, we could just clean big money out of the system completely and remove the potential for influence that it brings."

In the podcast he also talks about why he doesn't think such a change is likely in the short-term, the unprecedented situation where National and ACT are getting way more money than Labour, what a donation is, who can make one, how important donations are to political parties, what we know about the people and entities that donate and what they want, whether it's possible to draw a direct line between donations and policies, whether there's an advantage for the party or parties who raise more money, and more.

*You can find all episodes of the Of Interest podcast here.

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