Interview | Ideology: Testing the Paradigms that Shape Us

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

In this episode, we’re joined by singer/songwriter Andy Squyres (or “song doula” to Linz). Andy is a brilliant creative and a deep thinker who challenges our assumptions about the enneagram and the broader self help world. Andy is familiar with the enneagram but by no means a practitioner. He’s the perfect guest to share much needed perspective about this work we care about so much. His observations and critiques are important for all who use the enneagram. Stick around to the end of this episode, where Andy reads an Instagram post he wrote that inspired our conversation.

[2:00] Creek sets up the conversation on challenging our labels and identities with compassion & Andy’s role as a critic

[5:45] Universal ache and faith deconstruction

[10:15] On the tension of pursuing redemption and when to draw boundaries

[18:00] Andy’s critiques and observations of the self help community

[24:15] On the perils of the enneagram’s popularity

[27:30] Our inability to hold multiple possibilities at the same time

[30:00] On the benefits of being on the outskirts of the enneagram world.

[32:00] On the tension of personal growth and learning to appreciate what simply is

[39:50] Subversion vs. aggression in challenging assumptions

[51:00] On being authentic

Andy’s Instagram post that inspired this conversation: https://www.instagram.com/p/CgUkgrYOn6M/

Follow Andy’s work at https://andysquyres.com/ and listen to his music!

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm