Exploring Retirement in Spain: Valencia vs. Malaga for LGBTQ Expats with Dave Piccolo, Jesus Bartoli and Steve Aronberg

Where Do Gays Retire Podcast

Summary/Intro

The podcast episode delves into the experiences of LGBTQ retirees living in Malaga and Valencia, Spain, highlighting the allure of these Spanish cities for those seeking a vibrant and inclusive retirement destination. Host Mark Goldstein engages with guests Steve Aronberg from Malaga and Dave Piccolo and Jesus Bartoli from Valencia, who share insights about the climate, cost of living, healthcare, and the welcoming atmosphere for LGBTQ individuals. Both cities boast a high quality of life, affordable living costs, excellent healthcare systems, and a rich cultural landscape, making them attractive options for expatriates. The discussion also touches on practical aspects such as obtaining residency, navigating Spanish bureaucracy, and the minimal crime rates, underscoring the safety and comfort of living in Spain. With personal anecdotes and expert advice, the episode offers valuable guidance for those considering a move to these sun-soaked destinations.

Show Notes

Exploring the nuances of retirement in Spain, Mark Goldstein hosts an engaging dialogue featuring insights from Steve Aronberg in Malaga and Dave Piccolo and Jesus Bartoli in Valencia. This installment of the "Where Do Gays Retire?" podcast offers a comprehensive look at the factors influencing expatriates' choice of retirement location, from climate and geography to local culture and real estate.

Steve shares his experience of Malaga's sunny Mediterranean climate and its appeal to retirees seeking an active, outdoor lifestyle. He discusses the region's cultural richness, including its lively arts scene and historical landmarks. Dave and Jesus highlight Valencia's affordability and flat terrain, making it an ideal place for walking and cycling. They emphasize the vibrant food culture, where local markets and diverse dining options abound, offering a taste of authentic Spanish cuisine.

The episode also addresses the practical aspects of living abroad, such as healthcare and language barriers, while reassuring listeners about the safety and inclusivity of both cities. Both locations are portrayed as welcoming to the LGBTQ community, with a sense of acceptance and integration into the broader society. The discussion encourages potential retirees to explore different parts of Spain to find a location that aligns with their personal and financial needs, highlighting the benefits of a slower-paced, culturally rich lifestyle.

Takeaways:

• The podcast explores two Spanish cities, Malaga and Valencia, as potential retirement destinations for the LGBTQ community.
• Malaga offers a sunny climate with 300 days of sunshine a year, making it an attractive place to live outdoors.
• Valencia is a flat, walkable city with a low cost of living. It is famous for its rice dishes, such as paella.
• Malaga and Valencia have vibrant LGBTQ-friendly communities and are very accepting of diversity.
• The healthcare system in Spain is affordable and accessible, with private insurance options for non-residents.
• Spain is known for its safety, with low crime rates and a lack of gun culture, providing peace of mind.

Steve Aronberg

He was born in Nuremberg, Germany. His dad was in the army and stationed there. His dad proposed to his mom, who flew over to get married. He spent all his teen years in New Bedford, MA, and graduated from the University of Massachusetts in Amherst with a degree in Business Administration.

His entire career was with the U.S. Federal government, and he spent his last 25 years working for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. He is a strong proponent of equality and was fortunate to spend most of his working career supporting civil rights. He was also fortunate to retire at the young age of 55.

During his career, he lived in the Washington, D.C. metro area and worked in San Diego, CA, for 17+ years. He met his husband in San Diego, and they have been together for 25 years. They have been married since 2013.

They bought their home in Spain in January 2017. He is a Spanish resident and lives there full-time.

Dave Piccolo

He lived as a real estate agent in Indianapolis, Indiana, for 30 years. In July 2019, he met Jesus from Venezuela and only planned to stay for three months before moving to Spain. They got married and moved to Dallas to be closer to his mom. They lived there for just one year before moving to Fort Myers, Florida. When Hurricane Ian came through Fort Myers and destroyed most of it (luckily, their house was spared), a displaced family needed housing, so they decided to rent it. As a result, they moved back to Dallas temporarily.

The political climate in Florida under Ron DeSantis and in Texas under Greg Abbott had become so extreme that he was experiencing anxiety and a general sense of unhappiness. When he and Jesus met, they talked about moving to Spain. Their goal was to move when he retired at 65 (he was 54 then). He started perusing Idealista to get a feel for the real estate market in Valencia. He spent the next six months looking at over 1,000 properties online from Dallas. He came across a property that was the needle in the haystack. It was newly converted into a residence (previously commercial), fully renovated, bright, open, spacious, and furnished with a 200-square-foot terrace. And it was half the budget they had anticipated.

They called the realtor and had him do FaceTime so they could see the apartment and neighborhood virtually. As a realtor, he knew they could not afford to pass this up and wait another ten years. So, they purchased it without ever setting foot in Valencia! They have been there about 14 months, love it, and have no regrets!

Jesus Gallardo Bartoli

Jesus was born and raised in Caracas, Venezuela, where he went to college and earned his degree in Business Administration and Tourism. In 2010, he moved to Bogota, Columbia, where he owned a Venezuelan restaurant for ten years. In 2019, he visited a friend in the US and planned to live in Spain. Dave and Jesus met in Indianapolis in 2019. They planned to move to Spain when Dave retired in 2027. A series of open doors allowed them to (semi) retire to Valencia in 2023.