Topic Talk | Is it ethical to eat meat?

The A to Z English Podcast

In this episode of The A to Z English Podcast, Xochitl and Jack talk about whether or not they think it's ethical for people to eat meat.

Transcript:

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Jack

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Jack

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00:00:49

Jack

Welcome to the A-Z English podcast. My name is Jack and I'm here with my co-host social.

00:00:54

Jack

And today we're doing another topic talk and today's question is, should humans switch to a plant based diet to protect animal rights?

00:01:06

Jack

What do you think, social?

00:01:08

Xochitl

Should humans switch your plan beside? Well, I have been vegan in the past, Jack, and I've also been vegetarian in the.

00:01:16

Xochitl

So I had.

00:01:18

Xochitl

The even the plant based diet on multiple occasions, but I never judge anyone who didn't because it's a very hard switch because the world is kind of built around assuming that you have a normal diet and now vegan food is way more accessible. Back. When I was vegan in high school.

00:01:36

Xochitl

Uh, it was very hard to be vegan. You couldn't go out to eat anywhere. You couldn't buy any like ready made vegan food at the store and there weren't any products like, there weren't any good veggie burgers or vegan.

00:01:45

Jack

Yeah.

00:01:49

Jack

No impossible burgers or anything like that.

00:01:52

Xochitl

No. So it really sucked. And then?

00:01:56

Xochitl

I yeah. So I don't know. And then there.

00:01:59

Xochitl

Are there were there?

00:02:00

Xochitl

Was a phase where I would eat plant.

00:02:01

Xochitl

Based like uh?

00:02:04

Xochitl

Two weeks out of the month and then the other two weeks, I just see normal, but that was more. That was like, yeah, I mean, yeah, it was kind of a whole thing, not in the ways you might you might expect but but.

00:02:11

Jack

For health.

00:02:22

Xochitl

Yeah, so, so I don't know, this is a tricky 1 because to me now I like me, I enjoy me and I enjoy having food freedom and getting to eat whatever I want and.

00:02:37

Xochitl

I think that as people, us being vegan is like far less or us consuming meat or choosing not to consume meat or choosing to eat plant based or not plant based whatever it may be is far less damaging to the environment or has far less of an impact overall than these giant greedy.

00:02:57

Xochitl

Corporations and industries that are.

00:03:00

Xochitl

Choosing practices that are they know, have been harmful for years, like the fracking industry and. And so I think ultimately, yes, it's just like our little drop in a bucket or drop in the ocean and we can choose to do it or not to do it. I don't think it really necessarily makes you better.

00:03:20

Xochitl

Or not, or neither do I I I just think it's so much more impactful for a corporation to.

00:03:28

Xochitl

And the government to put in regulations than it is for people to just go like Meatless Mondays or something.

00:03:35

Jack

Yeah, my my problem with with eating meat and.

00:03:41

Jack

It's the factory farming is I have a real problem with that because I know that there are definitely animal abuses that are happening. And yet, even though I know that intellect.

00:03:51

Xochitl

Yeah.

00:03:55

Jack

Really, it's really hard for me to make the switch to vegan or vegetarian or be vegan or vegetarian, even though I know that it's probably morally the right thing to do until farming practices become more ethical.

00:04:15

Jack

And you know, because I think that like.

00:04:18

Jack

You know the the way that they, you know, pack chickens into tiny little space.

00:04:24

Jack

Is.

00:04:25

Xochitl

Right. These, like tiny cages and they can't, can't walk or anything.

00:04:29

Jack

Yeah. Yeah. And they, they Peck each other to death and they they all kinds of really horrible things happen. Same with like cows or sorry, the same with cows and same with pigs as well. And yet I just.

00:04:45

Jack

Love meat? That is funny. I really have no excuse. You know, it's just like and. And when I don't eat meat, I I kind of feel the color kind of drain out of my face, you know, like I I feel weak when I'm not eating protein. And and I know that you can get protein from other sources.

00:05:07

Xochitl

Right.

00:05:08

Jack

You can, you know, it's not like vegans don't eat protein.

00:05:12

Jack

But it's just so much cheaper and so much easier to just buy like a bag of chicken breasts and or some, you know, some pork or something like that.

00:05:24

Xochitl

Well, it's kind of tastier and it's like blade rip because like it, it's probably cheaper to buy like a big thing of tofu or a big thing of beans and cook it. Really. Hmm. But it's it is convenient. And it's like something that you're used to. Right. So it's like.

00:05:33

Jack

MHM.

00:05:39

Xochitl

It's just hard to break that like it's tasty. Like I'll be real with you. I don't want to eat like a like a.

00:05:39

Jack

Yeah.

00:05:48

Xochitl

I'd rather eat a plate of chicken wings than like a.

00:05:51

Xochitl

Tofu and beans dish or something.

00:05:54

Xochitl

Most of the time.

00:05:54

Jack

Yeah, you know.

00:05:56

Xochitl

If I lived, if.

00:05:57

Jack

I lived in Mexico and I could get like a really nice plate of like beans with rice.

00:06:03

Xochitl

Oh yeah.

00:06:04

Jack

I think I could actually. I I think in Mexico I could actually do it. You know it's.

00:06:10

발표자

At least.

00:06:11

Xochitl

They're like vegetarian, right? Yeah.

00:06:14

Jack

Yeah, maybe not vegan. I might not be. I might still want to eat like eggs or something like that.

00:06:20

Jack

And maybe drink milk or something like that, cause I do. I do like milk in my coffee. But you know there there are other alternatives. You know, I could. I could drink oat milk or almond milk or something like that and.

00:06:36

Xochitl

I like oat milk more than I like regular milk, but it's like worse for you, so.

00:06:40

Jack

Yeah, it's not right health wise, it's probably it's not better, it just might be better for the environment perhaps or or it might be.

00:06:48

Jack

Be more ethical to you know.

00:06:53

Xochitl

Well, one, one that interesting thing with like dealing with the ethics of it, Jack is like.

00:06:59

Xochitl

It's not necessarily like, uh, you could just eat. I mean, it's more expensive, but you could eat organic meat that has ethical practices you.

00:07:10

Jack

That's true. That's true. If you if you source the right the right product, you you, you can find stuff that's a little bit more ethically growing or whatever. That's true. That's true. Yeah, I guess, you know, for me.

00:07:13

Xochitl

Could.

00:07:30

Jack

It just comes down to dollars and cents in. In many ways it's just I just like, I don't want to pay the extra money for it.

00:07:39

Jack

And so I I just, I just kind of push it to the back of my mind that like ohh it's probably not as bad as they say it is, you know, but I do, I think it is pretty bad actually this the factory farming situation and I I think it's you know it it'll be interesting to see like in the future.

00:07:59

Jack

What happens when they start growing lab? You know, lab grown.

00:08:02

Jack

Eat.

00:08:04

Xochitl

Yeah.

00:08:04

Jack

That that'll be interesting because you know, there may may be a time when when they they don't need animals at all anymore, we we may not have to to deal with that at all. I don't know how people might be disgusted by it.

00:08:18

Xochitl

I definitely would be less disgusted by lab grown meat than I would be by like.

00:08:23

Xochitl

How the practice is you know what I mean?

00:08:26

Jack

Yeah, yeah, watching the animals torture each other into death in these tiny cages.

00:08:32

Jack

Seems less disgusting than than growing some meat in a lab, so.

00:08:36

Xochitl

Eat lamb meat seems like it would be really sterile. And like with the conditions that they have in these factory farms, like a lot of the meat probably has like nasty infections and stuff like so they think.

00:08:46

Jack

Antibiotics. Yeah, all that sort of stuff, yeah.

00:08:48

Xochitl

Yeah, like they have to have antibiotics to avoid infections and all that nasty. So I don't know. I. Yeah, I I honestly would would be more interested in love me because I would think it would. It would be so. I mean, I wouldn't want to like.

00:09:02

Xochitl

Die from some weird mutation, you know, stupid, but you know, I mean, I'm sure that would be unlikely, but.

00:09:07

Jack

Yeah.

00:09:09

Jack

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm thinking I I may. I may make. I may make another run at vegetarianism here in the in the near future, but I'm I. I've got to mentally prepare myself for it.

00:09:10

Xochitl

Yeah, yeah.

00:09:22

Xochitl

Yeah, you don't have to go all or nothing. You can. You can just like, slowly introduce more vegetarian meals into your diet.

00:09:30

Jack

Yeah.

00:09:31

Xochitl

And you know, like, you know, maybe have a.

00:09:36

Xochitl

Or go like pescatarian or something which is so easy to do in Korea. I think there's a lot of good. Yeah, you could go like pescatarian and you could just slowly like phase.

00:09:40

Jack

Yeah, that's true.

00:09:45

Xochitl

Out and.

00:09:46

Xochitl

There's not that much dairy.

00:09:50

Jack

Yeah. And for our listeners, pescatarian means seafood. So you could just go like fully seafood diet.

00:09:57

Jack

Yeah.

00:09:57

Xochitl

Yeah, you just go like a seafood diet pretty much. So, yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't know. I think that the. Yeah, I get it. I mean, most of the time here in Mexico.

00:10:09

Xochitl

So.

00:10:10

Xochitl

It's kind of more accessible to get like meat that's butchered locally and that you know the practices are good. Like, you know, you see the chickens running around and you know that they're healthy and happy.

00:10:24

Jack

Yeah, before before its head got lopped off at.

00:10:28

Jack

Least it had.

00:10:28

Jack

A good life, you know. Enjoy. Yeah, you know.

00:10:30

Xochitl

Yeah, it's like.

00:10:32

Xochitl

It was happy so.

00:10:38

Xochitl

Yeah, yeah.

00:10:41

Xochitl

Yeah, I don't know. It was kind of my thing, I think. I think it's really more up to corporations to to do things more ethically. I think what in what we can we should like just eating less meat and high quality meat that has more ethical practices overall. And I mean I think that's important. But at the same time, I think it's like up to corporations.

00:10:41

Jack

Yeah.

00:11:01

Xochitl

Tulip.

00:11:03

Xochitl

It's that's the core.

00:11:04

Jack

Yes.

00:11:04

Xochitl

Yeah. To behave. It's up to the government to put, to make laws that guarantee corporations behaving in a in an ethical manner. But they won't do that. These corporations can make more money behaving unethically. So it's kind of a crapshoot. Yeah, you know what I'm interested to hear what our listeners.

00:11:19

Jack

Right, right.

00:11:22

Jack

Yeah.

00:11:25

Xochitl

I have to say I know that many of our listeners, uh, come from vegetarian cultures and others come from meat dominant cultures. Many countries eat way less meat than the US does, so I'm just curious overall. You know what? What they have to say what they think.

00:11:39

Xochitl

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00:11:59

Xochitl

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