Bonus: Justice with Josh Milburn

The Animal Turn

Podcaster and philosopher Josh Milburn is on the Animal Turn to talk about his latest book and how the concept of justice is central to imagining a future world in which the rights of animals are respected. Claudia and Josh discuss the political turn in animal ethics, some of the tensions between animal rights and veganism, as well as the role cellular agriculture might play in a future zoopolitical world.

Date Recorded: 6 July 2023.

Josh Milburn is a Lecturer in Political Philosophy in the division of International Relations, Politics and History at Loughborough University in the UK. He is the author of Just Fodder: The Ethics of Feeding Animals (2022) and Food, Justice, and Animals: Feeding the World Respectfully (2023). He is also the host of the animal studies podcast Knowing Animals.Find out more about Josh on his website and connect with him on Twitter or Instagram.

Featured:

• Food, Justice, and Animals: Feeding the World Respectfully by Josh Milburn
• Death Free Dairy? The Ethics of Clean Milk by Josh Milburn
• Zoopolis: A Political Theory of Animal Rightsby Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka
• The Future of Meat without Animals by Brianne Donaldson and Christopher Carter with a chapter by Carol Adams titled “Ethical Spectacles and Seitan Making; Beyond the Sexual Politics of Meat.”
• Putting Humans first: Why we are Nature’s Favourite by Tibor R. Machen

Thank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) for sponsoring this podcast; Gordon Clarke (Instagram: @_con_sol_) for the bed music, and Jeremy John for the lo

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Chapters

1. Introduction (00:00:00)

2. What was your journey? (00:11:20)

3. What is the political turn in animal ethics? (00:14:50)

4. Tension between animal rights, veganism, and future food systems (00:21:20)

5. Veganism: Whole Foods, Junk Foods, and a Good, Meaningful Life (00:24:50)

6. Why is cell agriculture part of this conversation about a good life? (00:31:20)

7. Isn't the premise that animals are food problematic? (00:37:50)

8. Changing visions and food cultures (00:43:50)

9. How has the book been received? (00:49:50)

10. Zoopolitical versus abolitionist futures (00:52:05)

11. Justice and the State (01:00:30)

12. Quote (01:05:56)

13. State intervention and animals' lives (01:09:10)

14. What are you working on now? (01:14:05)

15. Food Justice and The Good (01:17:07)

16. Thank you and Credits (01:24:50)