TPC #022: Eleonora Bartoli and Ali Michael on Writing on Social Hot Button Issues

The Art of Paying Attention

As the Director of the Race Institute for K-12 Educators, Ali Michael, Ph.D. works with schools and organizations across the country to help make research on race, Whiteness, and education more accessible and relevant to educators. Eleonora Bartoli, Ph.D., is a consultant and licensed psychologist, specializing in trauma, resilience-building, and multicultural/social justice counseling. She earned her Ph.D. in Psychology: Human Development/Mental Health Research from the University of Chicago in 2001. In this conversation, Ryan, Eleonora, and Ali discuss why talking about race and getting uncomfortable is the only way for change, how telling difficult stories is the path for empathy, why white people need to talk about racial inequality, the challenges of co-writing a book, and much more.

Get their latest book, "Our Problem, Our Path: Collective Antiracism for White People," and learn more about the authors here: https://bookshop.org/books/our-problem-our-path-collective-antiracism-for-white-people/9781071851326

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