TCC Podcast #116: The Troll Framework with Nabeel Azeez

The Copywriter Club Podcast

Our guest for the 116th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Nabeel Azeez. Kira and Rob talked with Nabeel about getting put in time out in the Facebook club, cultivating controversy as part of your branding strategy, being a “troll” and a lot more. Here are the specifics: • how Nabeel became a copywriter and what he does today • becoming “Dubai’s most expensive” copywriter • why he was put on a “time out” from The Copywriter Club • how copywriters can stop selling themselves short • niching—should you do it or not? • the “Troll Framework” and how it works • why you might consider being more controversial and why you might not • attraction versus repulsion marketing and which works better • what you need to do as a newer copywriter (it’s not set up a website) • the three reasons he’s writing a book • what he’s struggling with most in his business • selling on the phone (and why more copywriters should do it) • the biggest opportunities for copywriters today Want to hear it? Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. Or you can download it to your favorite podcast app. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Ramit Sethi Alpha Muslim The Think Tank Mel Abraham Alaura Weaver Agora DragonEnergy.me Chanti Zak Paige Poutiainen Myrna Begnel Zero to Launch Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: Rob: This podcast is sponsored by The Copywriter Underground. Kira: It's our new membership designed for you to help you attract more clients and hit 10K a month consistently. Rob: For more information or to sign up, go to thecopywriterunderground.com. What if you could hang out with seriously talented copywriters and other experts, ask them about their successes and failures, their work processes and their habits, then steal an idea or two to inspire your own work? That's what Kira and I do every week at The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kira: You're invited to join the club for episode 116 as we chat with copywriter and entrepreneur Nabeel Azeez about his claim to be Dubai's most expensive copywriter, his Troll Framework, investing in himself and his business, what it feels like to get kicked out of The Copywriter Club Facebook group, and what it means to be an alpha Muslim. Welcome, Nabeel. Rob: Hey, Nabeel. Nabeel: Hello. What up? What up? What's up, Rob and Kira? This is a long time coming. Second time's a charm. We tried this one time earlier in the year, but I totally sucked, so obviously it wasn't published. Rob: I think maybe it had more to do with a bad Internet connection to where you are, which isn't always easy to get a connection. Kira: Yeah. Well, we're glad you're back, anyway. Nabeel: Yeah. I'm coming at you from a cave in Dubai somewhere. Kira: All right, Nabeel. Let's kick this off with your story. How did you get into copywriting? Nabeel: Right. I fell into copywriting by accident. I used to volunteer at this community center, and out of the group I had the best command of written English, so generally it fell to me to write the email blasts and marketing collaterals. At the time, I didn't know that you called this copywriting. Along the way I got exposed, or introduced to Ramit Sethi, and he introduced me to this world of personal development and online business I never knew existed. And then I ended up getting my first paid gig, also by accident. The community center was organizing a conference. And my friend, who was also a volunteer, he had his own marketing agency, and they commissioned him to brand the event and create all of the marketing. Obviously, he needed a writer, so he sub-contracted that out to me. I ended up writing the entire website, all of the marketing collaterals, a bespoke invitation for VIPs, and even a script for a marketing video.