John O'Keefe was the definition of a hero- FT former criminal defense attorney KIRK NURMI

The Outlier Podcast

John O'Keefe/Karen Read Series Coverage: On today's episode, we take a moment to reflect on the type of person that John O'Keefe truly was, according to his family and friends. "If there’s a definition for a hero, he’s one." We also interview former criminal defense attorney for Jodi Arias, Kirk Nurmi, specifically focusing on reasonable doubt, jury selection, and the trial itself.

"I think you're going to see medical examiners dueling it out. You're going to see cell phone experts dueling it out, and you're going to see all these officers-a lot of officers- are going to face a lot of scrutiny," - former criminal defense attorney Kirk Nurmi, on the upcoming Karen Read murder trial.

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