S2E28: "BigTech Privacy; Responsible AI; and Bias Bounties at DEF CON" with Jutta Williams (Reddit)

The Shifting Privacy Left Podcast

This week, I welcome Jutta Williams, Head of Privacy & Assurance at Reddit, Co-founder of Humane Intelligence and BiasBounty.ai, Privacy & Responsible AI Evangelist, and Startup Board Advisor. With a long history of accomplishments in privacy engineering, Jutta has a unique perspective on the growing field.
In our conversation, we discuss her transition from security engineering to privacy engineering; how privacy cultures differ across social media companies where she's worked: Google, Facebook, Twitter, and now Reddit; the overlap of the privacy engineering & responsible AI; how her non-profit, Humane Intelligence, supports AI model owners; her experience launching the largest Generative AI Red Teaming challenge ever at DEF CON; and, how a curious knowledge-enhancing approach to privacy will create engagement and allow for fun.
Topics Covered:

• How Jutta’s unique transition from security engineering landed her in the privacy engineering space.
• A comparison of privacy cultures across Google, Facebook, Twitter (now 'X'), and Reddit based on her privacy engineering experiences there.
• Two open Privacy Engineering roles at Reddit, and Jutta's advice for those wanting to transition from security engineering to privacy engineering.
• Whether Privacy Pros will be responsible for owning new regulatory obligations under the EU's Digital Services Act (DSA) & the Digital Markets Act (DMA); and the role of the Privacy Engineer when overlapping with Responsible AI issues
• Humane Intelligence, Jutta's 'side quest,' which she co-leads with Dr. Rumman Chowdhury, and supports AI model owners seeking 'Product Readiness Reviews' at scale.
• When, during the product development life cycle, companies should perform 'AI Readiness Reviews'
• How to de-biased at scale or whether attempting to do so is 'chasing windmills'
• Who should be hunting for biases in an AI Bias Bounty challenge
• DEF CON 31's AI Village's 'Generative AI Red Teaming Challenge,' which was a bias bounty that she co-designed; lessons learned; and what Jutta & team have planned for DEF CON 32 next year
• Why it's so important for people to 'love their side quests'

Resources Mentioned:

• DEF CON Generative Red Team Challenge
• Humane Intelligence
• Bias Buccaneers Challenge

Guest Info:

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Chapters

1. S2E28: "BigTech Privacy; Responsible AI; and Bias Bounties at DEF CON" with Jutta Williams (Reddit) (00:00:00)

2. Introducing Jutta Williams, Head of Privacy & Assurance at Reddit; and how Jutta moved from security engineering to privacy engineering (00:02:19)

3. Jutta compares the different 'Privacy Cultures' across Google, Facebook, Twitter, & Reddit based on her privacy engineering experiences there. (00:08:42)

4. Jutta's advice for security engineers who want to transition to privacy engineering or expand their roles to take on some privacy engineering activities (00:19:41)

5. Jutta's thoughts on whether Privacy Pros will be responsible for owning new regulatory obligations under the EU's Digital Services Act (DSA) & the Digital Markets Act (DMA); and the role of the Privacy Engineer when overlapping with Responsible AI issues (00:25:46)

6. Jutta talks about her side quest, Human Intelligence, that she co-leads with Dr. Rumman Chowdhury, which supports AI model owners seeking product readiness reviews at scale. (00:30:19)

7. Jutta explains when, during the product development life cycle, companies should perform 'AI Readiness Reviews' (00:35:58)

8. Jutta shares her wisdom on how to you de-biased at scale and whether attempting to do so is 'chasing windmills' (00:37:24)

9. Jutta explains who should be hunting for biases in an AI bias challenge (00:40:20)

10. Jutta describes the DEF CON AI Village, Generative AI Red Teaming Challenge, which was a bias bounty that she co-designed (00:41:46)

11. Lessons learned from this year's DEF CON Generative AI Red Teaming Challenge, and what Jutta & team have planned for next year (00:47:46)

12. Jutta shares why it's so important for people to 'love their side quests.' (00:52:37)