The Brothers WISP 181 – The Cake is not a Lie for ISPs

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This week we have Tommy, Jon Fernandez, David Taht, Robert Chacon, Dan Siemon and Zach Biles

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00:00:00 Introductions 00:05:10 Dave Taht’s Story 00:18:00 What is Buffer Bloat? 00:25:50 Dave’s Poem about Congestion 00:28:30 Dave’s Mission 00:30:10 What is FQ_Codel? 00:44:30 What have various implementations been focused towards? 00:47:50 New Zealand Example and the ECN Bit 00:51:20 What does CAKE do different than FQ_Codel 01:04:30 Congestion isn’t just in our Links, looking at the insane time scale of BW 01:09:50 How different protocols handle being queued (Not everything is IPv4/TCP) 01:25:10 Where should you be doing your proper Queuing 01:34:00 How well has FQ_Codel and CAKE been implemented? (Kinda poorly) 01:37:00 Dynamic BW availability controls? 01:42:30 Wrapping Up 01:54:00 Dave’s 3 Points

How to get ahold of people Dave: [e-mail] https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Daves_Media_Guidance/ Zach: zachbiles.net Robert: https://libreqos.io/ Dan: www.coverfire.com Preseem.com Jon: https://geekitek.com/

The Blind Men and the Elephant

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7567 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8290 https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2209336 Personal Blog Post by Dan Siemon about QUIC https://www.coverfire.com/archives/2023/07/11/the-rise-of-udp/

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Not mentioned in the cast, but informational pages that were very helpful for me in my learning process. (Mikrotik’s documentation has gotten a lot better in the last few months thank goodness.) https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/ https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/tc-cake.8.html https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/Queues#Queues-FQ-Codel https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.07617.pdf https://lwn.net/Articles/758353/