When Lambs Are Silent is a movement committed to the belief that just because the world is the way it is, does not mean it must remain that way. We are dedicated to the idea that change is possible, believing that as human’s we encounter each other through our stories and that in order to challenge the dominate narratives of our society, that we need to do more than just hear the stories of our whanau, we need to listen. For it is in our stories that we fully come to know and understand one ...
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It is no secret that the church in the West is in decline and there seems to have been unending talk about the church needing to change. Despite this, the number of sustainable alternatives or even smaller changes to what most would be familiar with as church is tragically low. This podcast is capturing thoughts of people who can see the Changes Ahead of us. Together we’ll be challenged, provoked even, by the views of people who are thinking about how the church might thrive going forward. S ...
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Kara-Leah brings deep listening, curiosity and inquiry into conversations with all kinds of people as she explores spirituality, sexuality, power , awakening and how they all intersect.
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They are our youth – responding to youth homelessness, with Aaron Hendry
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Why do so many young people in New Zealand experience homelessness, and why should the church be interested in being a part of the solution? Aaron Hendry has some ideas backed up by over a decade of working in this space. He is a youth development worker, writer, podcaster, and advocate for social justice who has a challenge for those of us with ea…
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Flourishing at the margins, with Paul Fletcher
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Sometimes, it can be hard to see what the Spirit is up to in the church, but for Paul Fletcher, who spends most of his time beyond the walls of the church he leads with people who are on the margins of society, the activity of the Spirit is far more evident. We can learn a lot from those experiences if we are courageous. Paul’s work also involves s…
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Slavery, a modern day issue with Sarah Scott Webb
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Without stopping to think, it could be easy to assume that slavery is a thing of the past, but in this conversation with Sarah, we will find out just how prevalent it is and why the church should get involved in working to eradicate slavery from the world. Welcome back to season 3 of The Changes Ahead Podcast!…
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Reflecting on the year with the Wilberforce 'Faith and Belief' study, with Cathy and Steven
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We've reached the end of another season, and to wrap it up, Cathy and Steven reflect on The Changes Ahead that we've heard this year and are trying in our church spaces through the lens of the recently released Wilberforce 'Faith and Belief' study. Thanks for being on the journey with us for another year!…
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What if I can’t change the world? Faith, parenting, business and church, with Nat Milne
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When expectations don’t match reality, what is going to get us through? For Nat, a small business owner and mother of two, the values that underpin why she started her business sustained her in the professional and personal space she was in. As Nat shares her story, we get glimpses into how faith, parenting, business and church intersect to drive h…
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Why are you voting the way you are going to this week? How does faith inform the way you vote? Answering these questions can be tricky, but we reckon they're important ones to try. Since it’s election week, we thought we’d have a chat about what this means for us with Brook, someone who is passionate about engaging positively and faithfully in the …
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Faith in a post-Christian world, with Arunan Noble
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As someone with interests in the sciences, alongside studying law, Arunan helps us wrestle with what faith looks like in the post-Christian world he is living in. While holding a deep commitment to the benefits of the church to society, he challenges us to recognise our status and position in order to live up to the potential we have.…
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The life long journey of healing from harm, with Mary-Anne
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In this raw and vulnerable conversation, social worker Mary-Anne shares her story of experiencing abuse, the journey of healing she is on, and the place of deep relationships in faith communities in that healing. TW: conversations relating to child sexual abuse, rape, suicide and domestic violence.By Mary-Anne with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone
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Faith and the integration of body and mind, with Sarah Beisly
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After experiencing PTSD, Sarah explored her own trauma story and, from that experience, offers amazing insights for us as followers of Jesus into how we can better support people on the spectrum of mental wellness and what the posture of the church and those of us who make it up should be towards each other as we all seek to integrate our bodies, m…
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Adam Robertson on Transformational Festivals, Inclusivity and Safety in NZ
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This conversation went to ALL the juicy places - the playful, the painful, the divine, and everything else in between. We talk about Adam's personal journey with trauma and how he found healing. We get into hot-topic issues around gender, sexuality, identity, and Adam's experiences as a gay man in New Zealand. And we talk about making Transformatio…
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A family shares their experience of listening, loving, and understanding, with Deb and Alan
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With courage and vulnerability, Deb and Alan invite us to listen to their story of navigating the complexity of unexpected news from one of their children. Prioritising love and safety, they share their journey of deep listening which leads them to a more profound understanding of how to love (or understanding new ways to love) their child who is t…
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Aaron Hendry on Faith, Social Justice & Why Love Is The Way
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Aaron Hendry is a Youth Worker, rangatahi advocate, writer, and political commentator on social justice issues. In this episode, we focus on youth homelessness in Aotearoa and how Aaron's Christian faith motivates him to work with the most structurally marginalised people in our society. We also get into personal responsibility vs collective respon…
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Do we really need to talk about porn? Yes! With Jo Robertson
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Jo is back to help us navigate conversations around porn, a topic that is too often ignored in church spaces. How do we have healthy conversations and give space to ask questions and figure out how to respond.By Jo Robertson with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone
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Lara Charlotte on Plant Medicine, Astrology & Venus Retrograde
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Join us for a playful and enlightening exploration of Lara's extensive experience with plants, planets, and prayer. Lara spent over 5 years in full-time training with traditional shamanic plant medicines in the Peruvian Amazon, and she shares with us some of the depth of knowledge of that tradition and the power of plants as allies. Along the way, …
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BLASE on Embodied Ecstatic Dance & Transformational Festivals
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BLASE is an Auckland-based DJ and Embodied Ecstatic dance facilitator known for his diverse, multi-genre music journeys. I've had the delight of dancing to his incredible DJ sets, so I was fascinated to hear about how he found his way to facilitating ecstatic dance experiences in just a couple of short years, and what makes his sets so damn good. W…
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The death of a child and the place of lament and sorrow in faith, with Andrew Bollen
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With grace, vulnerability, and honesty, Andrew shares the story of the death of his son. Hear how people around him responded, and about how his search for, and understanding of God changed. Together we reflect on something of the place of lament in our church spaces, and wonder how they might be transformed with more raw honesty. This is a raw epi…
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Tyran Mowbray on Sex, Masculinity & Being a Tantrik Tradie
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A classic Aussie bloke working as a bricklayer, Tyran's been on an incredible journey. There's sex, drugs, bikie gangs, porn addiction, plenty of drama, and an intense downward spiral. All of which led Tyran into deep self-inquiry, a ton of learning and now the work he does today as a men's health and sex coach. We talk all things conscious sexuali…
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Love for neighbour leads to sustainable living, with Chloe Vos
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What does our response to the climate crisis require of us as individuals and faith communities? How does this response relate to loving our neighbours? In this episode, we hear from Chloe about her passion for sustainable living and how her discipleship impacts her study, future, church engagement and activism in the community.…
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Laura-Ellen on The Entrepreneur Journey & Untangling Money Shame
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I adored this conversation with Laura-Ellen. Join us for real talk on our experiences with entrepreneurship - the good, the bad, the ugly, and the transformative. We go into burnout, money shame, how we're navigating the current economic downturn, and why sometimes it's beneficial to embrace day jobs and take a break from the hustle. With a deep-ro…
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A youth pastor’s experience of serving Rainbow Youth, with Zach Bartley
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We’re invited to listen in to one youth pastor’s experience of serving and working alongside Rainbow Youth at youth group. How has this work changed him? How has it impacted him? We acknowledge that this is a sensitive topic for the church today, and are happy to engage with anyone who would like to discuss the topic or episode.…
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Rana Hamida on Identity Politics, the Refugee Experience & Finding True Freedom
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I loved this deep yet playful conversation with Rana Hamida. Rana is an incredible DJ, musician, singer, dancer, artistic director, and a Yin Yoga/Yoga Nidra guide who was born in Syria and was living there as a university student when the civil war began in 2011. Fleeing the conflict, Rana and her family came to New Zealand as refugees. In unpacki…
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Feminism is good for everyone, with Jaimee van Gemerden
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What lenses do we bring to reading scripture? What are we missing by not considering the lenses different people bring to it? Jaimee offers us crucial insights into what a feminist lens offers the church today, including reflecting on the objectification of women that happens all too frequently in our church spaces. Jaimee’s reflections truly show …
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Kim Saama on being Sacred AND Sexual, plus Neo-Tantra and ISTA.
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There’s so much juicy content in here folks! Kim and I talked energetic orgasms, astral sex, hedonism, aging as a spiritual practice, yoni mapping AND anal mapping, and the joy of butt plugs for relaxation and pleasure. Plus we also had a nuanced conversation about Kim’s experiences with ISTA (International School of Temple Arts) and her take on ho…
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Deconstruction as an act of love, with Kenneth Fleck
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The word deconstruction within Christian circles can often have negative connotations. Kenneth encourages us, out of his story of living abroad in some really challenging contexts as well as his work in Spiritual Direction, to reconsider the way we think of the deconstruction process and find the love of God in the midst of it.…
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Rebecca Gunson on Navigating the ’Spiritual’ vs Mainstream Divide
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I was curious to talk to Rebecca about her experiences of operating in both the mainstream and alternative worlds, and how these worlds can merge in productive ways. Rebecca experienced a spiritual awakening in her early twenties that resulted in a dramatic shift in her worldview and required some significant changes in her relationships with her f…
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Escaping religious fundamentalism, with Lindy Jacomb
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In this episode, we listen to Lindy’s story of leaving a high-demand religious context. We get to hear what that process was like; the trauma experienced both inside the high-demand space and the trauma of leaving. If we let it, the story can also hold a mirror up to our practices to identify any red flags. We also hear the hope of healing the Chri…
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Melissa Billington on Transmuting Ancestral Trauma: Turning Poison into Potion
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Melissa Billington is a talented yoga teacher, creatrix, inspiratrice, and also a dear friend of mine. Born in Virginia, Melissa is the 13th lineal descendant of Pocahontas and she shares how she has worked to transmute her family’s ancestral trauma into healing. We also explore why and how Melissa has chosen to take her yoga off the mat and more w…
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What does healthy sexuality look like? What are some of the challenges for people in faith-based contexts in this area? How can we celebrate the good that is our bodies? These are just some of the questions we explore in this frank and really important conversation with Sex Therapist, Jo Robertson.By Jo Robertson with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone
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Ninakaye Taane-Tinorau on Tinder, Sexuality & Porn
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21 years ‘clean’ from drug & alcohol addiction and work in the sex industry, Ninakaye is a powerhouse of a woman who works in the New Zealand music industry and is also involved in sexual violence treatment and harm prevention. In this episode, Ninakaye and I share some of our personal experiences of exploring sexuality and dating as older women, p…
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Dr. Nicki Jackson: Reducing Alcohol Harm - Tackling the Alcohol Lobby
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In this episode Aaron speaks with Dr. Nicki Jackson about alcohol reform and the influence and impact of the alcohol lobby. When Lambs Are Silent is a movement championing the belief that change is possible and seeking to challenge the dominate narratives in our culture. Join us as we unpack what this is all about. You can also join the conversatio…
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Creativity, Justice and the Kingdom, with Andy Dickson
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We’re joined by fellow podcast host Andy Dickson from ‘Down to Earth Conversations’, who gives us an incredible vision for the simplicity of bringing a little bit of heaven down to earth by focusing on people first, embracing creativity, and always working towards what is just.By Andy Dickson with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone
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Sophia de Fossard on Cults, High Demand Groups & Power Dynamics in the Spiritual Community
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Sophia is a former social worker who moderates the Culty Conversations NZ Facebook group and I was eager to talk with her about the nature of cults and high-demand groups in New Zealand, particularly in the spiritual community. Sophia shares her perspective on power, charismatic leaders and group dynamics, and what leaders and teachers in the spiri…
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Women and holy discontent, with Grace Doak
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To acknowledge International Women’s Day, in a vulnerable and inspiring conversation, Grace talks about her journey following holy discontent into places of leadership and invites us to reflect on the way women are treated in the church, offering suggestions for the way forward.By Grace Doak with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone
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Lauren Hill on Online Bullying & Being Unapologetic
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In 2022 one of Lauren’s Instagram posts for her coaching business was ridiculed by a satirical Instagram account that remixed and reshared her post, and other content from her business, over the course of several days. What I love about Lauren’s story is that even as she was dealing with the pain and trauma of this experience she also saw it as an …
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Communal politics and meaningful connections, with Jess McKnight
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We start this new season hearing from Jess about her experience with politics as a Youth MP and how that impacts her view of faith and church alongside the vital importance of meaningful representation and relationships so that all might thrive within faith communities.By Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone
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Darren Bruce on Unresolved Childhood Sexual Experiences & Emotional Vulnerability in Men
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CW: This episode contains a discussion on resolving childhood sexual experiences. Darren Bruce is a connection coach who discovered the power of emotional vulnerability and relational skills after a career in the military and fitness industry. Despite operating at an incredibly high level of physical skill and intensity in his military role, Darren…
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Ellie Wilde on Life after ISTA & The Power of Menopause
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Ellie Wilde is a Trauma Trained Transformational Guide, who, through her life’s struggles and 20+ years of training and service has become an activist and revolutionary for Conscious and Embodied Relating. In this conversation, we dive into her journey with ISTA (International School of Temple Arts), some of the issues with this organization, and w…
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Harshada on Dealing with Sexual Abuse Scandals in Yoga and Tantra Lineages
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David Harshada Wagner is a master meditation instructor, author, artist, dad, and wisdom teacher with more than 25 years of teaching experience. He's classically trained in the wisdom traditions of Yoga, Bhakti, Vedanta, and Tantra, his teachings come from his decades of working with people helping them learn to live more fulfilling, soul-centred, …
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Dane Tomas on How the New Age has Failed and Who He REALLY Serves (it’s not Lucifer)
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This episode was originally recorded in November 2022. Dane is a fascinating human to dialogue with because he's a voracious information consumer, assimilator and systemiser. He looks at human behaviour through a systems lens and sees beyond black and white, good and bad, right and wrong. He both adores the New Age swamp, as he calls it, and has no…
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Yoga Teacher Kylie Rook on How Completing 1000 Days of Ucchāra Practice Helped Heal Anxiety and More
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This episode was originally recorded in October 2022 to celebrate Kylie Rook's successful completion of 1000 Days in a row of Ucchāra Practice. Kylie attended a Direct Realization Training with Kara-Leah in January 2020, where she learned Ucchāra and made the commitment to show up every day to the practice, no matter what. And she did it! We discus…
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Claire Eli on Moving from Anxiety to Confidence, The Spiral and Her Experiences with ISTA
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This episode was originally recorded in July 2022, and details Claire Eli's journey from anxiety to confidence. Claire has spent the last decade studying the body and mind and draws from many different practices including; yoga, mindfulness, meditation, breathwork, and embodiment practices. She talks about being paralysed by chronic anxiety, negati…
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Embodied Ecstatic Dance Teacher & Trainer Sarsha Hope on Teacher/Student Dynamic & Ethics
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This episode was originally recorded on July 26, 2022, in the wake of Sarsha stepping down from co-facilitating a retreat with Matiu Te Huki because of her ethical concerns. Our conversation begins just after Sarsha led a beautiful meditation - hence me thanking her! The ending is a little abrupt because we were recording Live on YouTube at the tim…
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Ahly Titchener on Skilfully Working with Anxiety, Grief & Rage at the NZ Parliament Protest Feb-Mar 2022
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This conversation was originally recorded in May 2022. In this conversation, we explore the role of Anxiety, Grief and Rage, and how Ahly was able to work with these emotional states throughout the highly polarised time leading up to the Profest occupation at Parliament grounds. On February 7, 2022, a Freedom Convoy converged on Parliament Grounds …
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The Pub Owner, the Politician and the Protest. Alistair Boyce on NZ Parliament Occupation 2022.
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This episode was originally recorded in March 2022 as part of a series where I spoke to people intimately involved in the NZ Parliament Protest Feb 8 - March 2, 2022. Alistair is the owner of the Backbencher Pub in Wellington, which was on the outskirts of the Protest. The pub ended up operating as 'neutral' ground as Alistair used his contacts to …
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Why This Podcast is All About Spirituality, Sexuality, Power and Awakening
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Welcome to Episode Zero, recorded in February 2023. I outline the origins of this podcast, which began three years ago with a YouTube series. Find out more about me, my background, and how I intend on holding the space in these conversations. More from Kara-Leah Conversations with Kara-Leah on Video • YouTube PlaylistWeb: https://karaleah.com/The T…
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What have we heard? With Cathy and Steven
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In our final episode of the year, Cathy and Steven reflect on what they’ve heard and what The Changes Ahead might be.By Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone
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Do we love enough to listen? With Jody Kilpatrick and Andrew Bollen
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As we begin to wrap up the first season of this podcast, we hear from two pastors who have listened to every previous episode. Together they highlight one of the themes that has been clear throughout all of the earlier conversations: of taking the time, and having a posture to listen to voices which bring challenge and critique.…
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Why did nobody tell me this? With Sacha Olson
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What is it like to be exposed to new and vastly different ways of thinking to what you are used to? When we realise that there is always more than one way at looking at an issue, a question or truth, how do we reconcile that with our previously held perspectives. In this episode we hear from recent Carey Baptist College Pastoral Leadership graduate…
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Chlöe Swarbrick: Reducing Alcohol Harm- The Bill
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In this episode we speak with Chlöe Swarbrick, a Green Party MP for Auckland Central. We discuss the Alcohol Harm Reduction Bill. How it can reduce harm in our communities, the research behind it and some of the common misconceptions around the bill. We hope you enjoy the kōrero. For more information around how you can help support the bill please …
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In recent times there has been some tension between the media and Christian faith. In this episode we talk to an award-winning journalist about how their faith intersects with their work in journalism, and explore together what the church can learn from those who are working in the media.By Justin Latif with Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone
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