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Welcome to the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, where hosts Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu honor the legacy of their late friend and colleague Dr. Michael S. Heiser (author of the best-selling book The Unseen Realm). Our interest is the Bible, studying it through the lens of its original authors and audience. We will specifically take notice of created divine beings and the role they play in the physical cosmos through the ultimate authority of Yahweh, the God of Israel. Join the fun conversation!
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A Radical Vision for Grace Justice and the Cross (Cascade 2012). Healing the Gospel challenges the assumption that the Christian understanding of justice is rooted in a demand for violent punishment, and instead offers a radically different understanding of the gospel based on God’s restorative justice. It’s a vision of the gospel that exposes violence, rather than supporting it—a gospel rooted in love of enemies, rather than retribution.
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Riverlife Baptist Church, Jo Leutton

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A podcast that examines the Bible and its importance for the Christian faith. From Riverlife Church in Brisbane, Australia, hosts Jo, Alex and Chris take their love of the Bible and unpack it each episode, sometimes with the help of guest Biblical scholars. Sometimes taking a bird's eye view, sometimes getting into the nitty gritty, but always trying to get to know the author better, and to better know His plans for us and the invitation He's given us to life in Him.
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Theology can often be a sensitive subject for some people. For other people, it can be a dull, boring, stale, and abstract idea that isn't worth listening to. At WellHouse Church we believe that theology is important, but we also want to engage people in it. So we created this podcast to establish the essential beliefs to be a Christian, but explore the non-essentials over beer because they are just a matter of perspective.
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Construim comunitatea minților frumoase din România. Inspirăm oameni care se dezvoltă profesional, citesc marile cărți și investesc în educația permanentă. Numai cultura ne vindecă de vulgaritate.
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In this episode, Rich and Mel interview Fern and Audrey, who share their work helping survivors of trauma-based mind control, reflecting on their personal experiences and the impact of Dr. Mike Heiser's Divine Council worldview, especially through his books, *The Myth That is True*, *The Facade* and *The Portent*. They explore the complexities of d…
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In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 20 and 21, examining the birth of Isaac and the relationship between Ishmael and Isaac. They work through the significance of Ishmael in the biblical narrative, as well as the meaning of the terms 'righteous' and 'election' in the OT. They agree that there is ambiguity surrounding the identity of the d…
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In this episode of Bible Streams, Chris and Jo sit down with Dr. Gary Schnittjer to explore the profound theme of atonement in the Old Testament. How did God’s plan for redemption take shape in ancient Israel, and what can we learn from it today? Join us as we dig deep into the sacrificial system, covenant theology, and the rich symbolism that fore…
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In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 19 and the destruction of Sodom. They explore how a divine council worldview arises directly from the cultural context of the ancient Near East when working through this narrative. They conclude their discussion by thinking through the significance of the Hebrew word 'chesed' and the tragic outcome for…
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In this episode, Ronn and Mike explore Genesis 18's story of Abraham and Sarah being told by three messengers that they would soon bear a son to fulfill the promises of God. The biggest shock of the story, of course, will be to hear one of the visitors speak as though he is Yahweh! Ronn and Mike consider the possible options for identifying this me…
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In John 8, Jesus is giving us a window into what a measure of mercy looks like that is so scandalous that even early church fathers would debate on whether this story should be included. We’re being invited into not only accepting this radical mercy, but we’re being invited to operate in this level of scandalous mercy! The Homestead Mobile - August…
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Jesus has forever reversed the fall of Adam. Eternally defeating the enemy. Yet, religion uses the blood of Jesus as a bandaid to keep us from eternal torment. The blood of Jesus is you being regenerated in such a way that you take the life of Jesus as the principle model of what a new human being should look like. The Homestead Mobile - August 20t…
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The saving work of Jesus is central to the Christian faith. But how does it actually work? The subject of the Atonement has been wrestled with for millennia, theologians trying to make sense of the many ways that scripture explains the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus. How does this God-man's existence translate to eternal salvation…
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In this episode, Rich and Mel interview Pastor Anthony Delgado of Palmdale Church, California, who dives deep into the transformative power of Dr. Michael Heiser's Divine Council worldview and its impact on his predominantly Hispanic, working-class congregation. Anthony shares how his church has woven this theology into their structure, striking a …
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The revelation of the victory of Jesus reveals to us that his victory is inside the truth that He has saved the world. The way that Jesus has saved the world is not in a repeated prayer. Rather it is in the repairing of our image of the Father. Jesus is precisely what the Father has to say about Himself. In this understanding we see Christus Victor…
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The saving work of Jesus is central to the Christian faith. But how does it actually work? The subject of the Atonement has been wrestled with for millennia, theologians trying to make sense of the many ways that scripture explains the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus. How does this God-man's existence translate to eternal salvation…
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In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 17 and the story of Ishmael. They explore the possibility that Ishamel made a covenant with a divine being other than Yahweh, even a god disloyal to Yahweh. They discuss the theological and historical implications of this view, particularly in relation to the rise of Muslim tradition and its attachment…
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In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 16 and the being known as "the Angel of the Lord." They begin by acknowledging that differences of opinion will be common when dealing with the word 'angel,' the transliteration of a Latin word appearing in the Wycliffe Bible of the 14th century. Ronn argues that 'angel' does not accurately represent t…
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In this episode, Ronn and Mike conclude their study of Genesis 15. Their topics of conversation include the meaning of righteousness and its connection to loyalty and promise-keeping in the story of Abraham. They also consider the significance of the land promise as the early patriarchs understood it and how it evolves throughout the biblical narra…
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The saving work of Jesus is central to the Christian faith. But how does it actually work? The subject of the Atonement has been wrestled with for millennia, theologians trying to make sense of the many ways that scripture explains the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus. How does this God-man's existence translate to eternal salvation…
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Step into a world where the supernatural intersects with everyday life. In this episode, Mel is once again joined with co-host, Rich, as they interview Pastor Jim Bergen from Flatirons Community Church, Boulder, CO, and delve into the journey of his awakening to a worldview shaped by the Divine Council and its profound impact on our reality. Imagin…
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You and I are neither called nor designed to finish the already finished work of Christ. However, we are most certainly called and designed to live life so filled and led by the Holy Spirit, that we partner with the Spirit to ensure that the consequences and intentions of the finished work of Christ are both realized as well as brought to their mos…
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In the scripture we find Peter, full of determination and with a pure heart, in the presence of Jesus declaring his unwavering commitment to Him. But only one disciple learned to lean in more deeply, allowing himself to be fascinated rather than determined. John the beloved’s leaning more deeply into the chest of Jesus caused his fascination to tur…
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The saving work of Jesus is central to the Christian faith. But how does it work? The subject of the Atonement has been wrestled with for millennia, theologians trying to make sense of the many ways that scripture explains the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus. How does this God-man's existence translate to eternal salvation for huma…
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In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the concept of Abraham's righteousness as won through his allegiance to Yahweh in the story of Genesis 15. They explore the idea of believing loyalty (Hebrew, aman) and how it is often misunderstood in evangelical circles when defining the gospel. They highlight the importance of understanding the OT cultural …
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In this episode Ronn and Mike discuss the meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek in Genesis 14, even considering whether this kind of story supports the idea of divine portals or “heavenly gates” in the biblical narrative (Gen 12:8; 13:4; 28:11-12; 35:7). Most interesting to this story, of course, is their joint realization that they worshipped the sam…
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Before we get the contrast of the Spirit and flesh late in Romans, we first get the contrast of Spirit and the law. Early in Romans, the Apostle Paul teaches us how to move out of the law and into grace. This teaching helps us understand that movement into the new is not possible without movement away from the old. The new is a covenant that is cre…
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In this episode, Ronn and Mike recommend that Genesis 12 and 13—the story of Abraham beginning to worship Yahweh while rejecting his tribal gods of Babylon—sets the framing story for the Bible as a whole. These early narratives are not concerned with sin and forgiveness, in other words, nor even the expectation of a Messiah. They instead answer the…
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