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Beyond the Studio - A Podcast for Artists

Amanda Adams and Nicole Mueller: Artists and Creative Entrepreneurs

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Beyond the Studio is a podcast about the career paths of working contemporary artists. Co-hosted by artists Nicole Mueller and Amanda Adams, and featuring interviews with visual artists, makers, and art world professionals, Beyond the Studio aims to bring more transparency to the arts through candid conversations about their business practices, time management, financial planning, and how they’re making a living, creatively—in other words, all of the work that happens “beyond the studio”
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Vermont Made

The Vermont Arts Council

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Sharing the fruits of local talent from the Green Mountain State. In each episode of Vermont Made, one artist, craftsperson, designer, specialty food producer, or other Vermont creative shares the story behind one thing they've made. Produced by the Vermont Arts Council and hosted by Desmond Peeples.
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Cut the Craft

Amy Umbel and Brien Beidler

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Have you ever looked at potters smiling from their booth at the farmers’ market and wondered: “what’s their deal?” Have you ever considered whose hands are behind the wooden chair you're sitting on? How about those fancy kitchen knives you admire? Cut the Craft is a podcast that brings stories of handcraft and its makers to you. Perhaps you are a craftsperson looking for a fresh perspective, or a newcomer to handmade things; no matter your starting point, your hosts Amy Umbel and Brien Beidl ...
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Hear more from Lianne Pflug on graduating from art school into the pandemic, how’s she’s built a community of engaged followers online, connecting with her audience through Patreon while social media becomes more unreliable, staying attuned to her needs as an artist working with chronic illness, and how she’s promoting eco-friendly practices in her…
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Hear more from Teri Henderson on allowing her career to develop organically while pivoting from law school to a career as an arts writer, curator, and now Arts and Culture Editor at the Baltimore Beat, overcoming imposter syndrome and carving out her own space, platforming other artists through her curatorial work and Instagram page turned book Bla…
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Hear more from Sarah Calderon and Maura Cuffie-Peterson from Creatives Rebuild New York on how they’re building a movement around guaranteed income for artists, the value in regular, no-strings-attached cash payments, how this differs from other sources of funding like grants, redefining the way we think about artists’ work, what CRNY has learned i…
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Hear more from Amanda and Nicole as they get real about their own numbers, what it costs to sustain a full-time studio practice, the importance of financial transparency in the arts, and aligning your goals to your personal values. - Find links to resources mentioned throughout the episode here in our show notes: beyondthe.studio - Submit to our Li…
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Hear more from Inversion Art co-founders Joey Flores and Jonathan Neil, along with artist John Houck, on how they’re combining the art and tech worlds to imagine new ways of investing in artists’ careers, applying a venture capital approach to working with artists, bridging the gap between professional development and capital investment in support …
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Hear more from Alex Paik on the origins of Tiger Strikes Asteroid and how they’re growing a network of artist-run galleries around the country, building an alternative model centered on community, the myth of balance and letting go of control, and what it means to grow horizontally vs. vertically. - Find links to resources mentioned throughout the …
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Hear more from Christopher Martin on the importance of proximity and the power of showing up, finding the people and places that will lead to opportunities organically, the daily rituals and self-care routines that support his creative work, and learning to love every part of the process. - Find links to resources mentioned throughout the episode h…
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Hear more from Griff Williams on the process of making his documentary "Tell Them We Were Here," what the stories of artists in the Bay Area can tell us about the struggles of artists universally, why artists choose to stay in places like it despite the high cost of living, sustaining Gallery 16 for more than 30 years in San Francisco by prioritizi…
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Hear more from Amanda and Nicole as they dive into selling work at craft shows, maker fairs, and pop-ups through Amanda's 10 years of experience at over 100 events, her evolving criteria, red flags, how they fit into her overall business model, the ultimate craft show checklist, and maximizing the experience for sales and new audience members. - Fi…
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Hear more from Amanda and Nicole as they debrief on Nicole’s recently finished mosaic and glass project in Tempe, AZ, fabricating and installing large-scale public projects, choosing whether to fabricate a piece yourself vs. outsource, knowing when and how to hire help, juggling multiple projects at once, and staying flexible to the changing needs …
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Musician and teaching artist Rebecca Mack discusses her new song cycle, "Body," inspired by her experiences with long Covid disability, climate change, and the shared impermanence of the human body and the Earth body. Learn more about Rebecca and her work at rebeccamackmusic.com. Download a transcript of this episode (PDF). This episode of Vermont …
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Hear more from Amanda and Nicole on why they hit pause on the podcast, evolving as artists while experiencing good growing pains, continually redefining definitions of success, avoiding burnout and adapting your practice when life throws you curveballs, and the importance of community care. Find links to resources mentioned throughout the episode h…
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Acclaimed circus educator Troy Wunderle discusses Vermont’s vibrant circus community, the essence of clowning, and receiving the 2022 Excellence in Circus Education Award from the American Circus Educators Association. Learn more about Troy and his work at bigtopadventures.com. Download a transcript of this episode (PDF). This episode of Vermont Ma…
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Recorded June 6, 2023. William Deresiewicz is a non-fiction writer whose work includes The End of Solitude, Excellent Sheep, and A Jane Austin Education. In this episode he speaks with us about his book The Death of the Artist: How Creators are Struggling to Survive in the age of Billionaires and Big Tech. Over the course of our conversation Bill g…
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Recorded May 8, 2023. Kyle Tallio, from Nuxalk and Hailzaqu Nations, makes Northwest Coast Art primarily out of Prince Rupert in Canada. Kyle focuses primarily on wood carvings that are used traditionally: masks, spoons, bowls, and boxes. He comes from a family of artists and started out his creative pursuits in two dimensional work. As his carving…
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Hear more from Paddy Johnson, founder of VVrkshop & Netvvrk, on why artists tend to underprice their work, how artistic production is supported, the emotional toll that systemic issues cause and how community can be the antidote to the structural challenges artists face, and the power of collective knowledge. Beyond the Studio listeners can use the…
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Artist-builders Thea Alvin and Meg Reinhold discuss the new Yestermorrow Design/Build School exhibit Elements of Shelter, on view in the Vermont Arts Council Sculpture Garden through May 2025. Learn more about the exhibit, the artists, and Yestermorrow at vermontartscouncil.org/sculpture-garden where you'll also find links to resources and informat…
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Recorded April 18, 2023. Addison de Lisle is a metalsmith who primarily focuses on non-ferrous metals but with a very eclectic range of forms. Within his breadth of interests, Addison makes an effort to set himself a few parameters; his work is metal, should at least hint at utility, and shouldn’t shy away from conceptual ideas. In other words, he’…
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Hear more from Serpentine Arts Technologies curators Tamar Clarke-Brown & Eva Jäger about their upcoming exhibition “Third World: The Bottom Dimension” featuring Gabriel Massan, how emerging technologies are changing the working conditions of artists and ideas of collective ownership, differentiating between the current use of technologies and thei…
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Recorded March 20, 2023. Kathryn Sullivan is a woodworker who focuses on restoration and conservation. Over the course of our conversation Kathryn highlights the importance of communication with their clients. Learning more about what a piece will be used for and the client's motivation for Kathryn's services informs how they will approach the rest…
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Hear more from Adam on why understanding the law is crucial to creating the more equitable future artists desire, viewing legal writing as a really strange form of poetry, his unique point of view on copyright as both a practicing musician and Executive Director of Maryland Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts, artist rights within capitalism especially …
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Hear more from Natalie on pivoting from a background in video to building a studio practice around her soft sculpture, what she’s learned from her husband’s career as a freelance photographer about embracing uncertainty, her criteria for saying yes to exhibition opportunities, the realization that being a parent changes everything, moving from the …
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Vermont Cartoonist Laureate Tillie Walden discusses her two Eisner Award-winning graphic novels, Spinning and Are You Listening?, her Cosmic Slumber Tarot deck, teaching at the Center for Cartoon Studies, and more. Learn more about Tillie Walden at tilliewalden.com. Download a transcript of this episode (PDF). This episode of Vermont Made is sponso…
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Hear more from Morel on the impact of diversifying his skills & network as an artist, self-funding projects early in his career leading to collaborations with big brands and gallery representation, using every project to further support his friends and community, storytelling as a political act, and creating more equity in the arts through self-adv…
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Recorded March 13, 2023. Robell Awake is a furniture maker based in Atlanta Georgia. He has a background in the trades, but has dedicated his current efforts in ladderback chair making and green woodworking. Along with making the furniture itself, Robell has researched the true origins of the Poynor chair; a mule-eared, curve-backed ladderback chai…
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Hear more from Bean on balancing a practice as both an arts writer and visual artist, building and rebuilding community when moving from San Francisco to Poland to Portland, the existential nature of defining success in the arts, using a grant from The Andy Warhol Foundation to study the working conditions of artists in Portland and beyond, and the…
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Hear more from Sarah as we unpack an email exchange with a potential collector that leads to a larger conversation about power dynamics in the art world, the hidden dangers of giving up control over your own market, retaining agency as an artist, valuing your self and work, and how to make ends meet without selling your soul. Annie’s Kit Clubs — Po…
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Recorded February 6, 2023. Gabriela Marván is a cartonera living and working in Wisconsin. Cartonería is a paper sculpture technique that has roots in the beginning of colonialism in Mexico. The Catholic Church used sculptures to communicate its doctrine with indigenous people but now the technique is used during celebrations and folk art of all ki…
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Hear more from Ruby Lerner, founding Executive Director of Creative Capital, as she reflects back on her 40 year career advocating for the arts and artists, her advice for emerging arts leaders today, the importance of archiving and personal finance, what it would take to build a nationwide infrastructure of support for artists, and why she remains…
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Hear more from Christine on the realities of running a studio collective fresh out of art school, her motivations for going to grad school, navigating the unspoken rules of the art world, teaching as as an extension of her political organizing, and being the most naked by sharing her financial breakdown and tax returns. Annie’s Kit Clubs — Podcast …
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HB Lozito and Grace Johnston-Fennell of Out in the Open collaborate with Rae Garringer of Country Queers to launch the 2023 Trans Audio Retreat, an opportunity for rural trans and nonbinary creatives in Vermont to foster community and let their voices be heard. Learn more about Out in the Open at weareoutintheopen.org and more about Country Queers …
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Recorded January 2, 2023. French bookbinder Louise Bescond is couched within the multifaceted world of bookbinding. She describes her niche as bookbinding “haute couture,” but despite her exacting eye, she acknowledges the moving bar of perfection in her professional life. Admittedly not a bookbinding historian, Louise gives us a sense of the histo…
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Hear more from Jocelyn Tsaih on using day jobs at WeWork and Nickelodeon to launch her career as a freelance artist, navigating the emotional ups and downs of working for herself, honing her personal style to get bigger clients and projects, learning when to say no, and continuing to expand into new disciplines including graphic design, illustratio…
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Hear more from Amanda and Nicole on why it’s important for artists to talk about money, their various income streams as artists, how they gain clarity on their finances through various charts, and the visualization tools they use that all artists can adapt to help reach their financial goals. Annie’s Kit Clubs — Podcast sponsor, delivering creativi…
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Recorded December 12, 2022. Letterpress printer and designer Ben Blount believes in the power of the printed word. He uses design as a way to communicate, motivate, tell stories, and record histories. He uses the printed word as a vehicle for conversations ranging from race and identity to stories we tell ourselves. Ben loves to highlight nuance an…
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Hear more from Amanda and Nicole as they shed light into the public art process, discuss Nicole’s largest permanent public project to date in Tempe, AZ, how to craft a competitive proposal, streamlining applications, and building a budget that will sustain you. Annie’s Kit Clubs — Podcast sponsor, delivering creativity right to your mailbox with a …
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Hear more from Amanda and Nicole on what they’ve been up to since taking a break from the podcast last year, how each of their careers have grown, stepping into new disciplines while achieving better work/life balance, and what’s ahead for Beyond the Studio this year. beyondthe.studio Listener Spotlight @beyondthestudio Intro and Ad Music by: Suahn…
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Sed One of Montpelier-based hip hop duo Boomslang discusses two albums, the recently released Boomslang III and the upcoming Boomslang Forever, and leaving a creative legacy after the passing of his other half, JL or Johnny Morris. Learn more about Boomslang and buy their music at boomslangvt.bandcamp.com. The episode includes samples from Boomslan…
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Recorded November 7, 2022. Jögge Sundqvist is a slöjdaire from Umeå Sweden. As a multi-talented woodworker he’s made everything ranging from butter knives to theater entrances. During this episode, Jögge helps us clear up the definition of slöjd and its cultural roots. Technically speaking the word means being “clever in your hands”, but Jögge also…
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Recorded September 19, 2022. Dr. Esra Alhamal creates illuminated paintings and works out of England. In this episode, she clears up the language surrounding biomorphic patterns and the western idea of Islamic Art. Instead, Esra promotes the Arabic word Nabati; meaning “from plant” to describe the organic curvy patterns she uses to create illuminat…
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Recorded July 25, 2022. Ceramic artist David “Swen” Swenson creates his utilitarian wares in Clearwater, Minnesota. His work is a cacophony of design elements and motifs that fit together like quilt pieces. Swen draws inspiration from a variety of places, from ancient pottery in museums to art history, but always manages to work his own narrative i…
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Recorded April 25, 2022. Episode contains some language. Textile Artist and surface designer Aliyah Salmon has had a recent breakthrough with her large hand-tufted wall hangings. The opportunity came quickly to start working with tufting during the pandemic and she’s taken the opportunity in stride as she builds her work and creates larger contempo…
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Novelist Ann Dávila Cardinal discusses her upcoming horror novel for Middle Grade readers, Dry Bones, and reads an excerpt from her upcoming magical realist novel for adults, The Storyteller's Death, available Oct. 4, 2022. Learn more about Ann and her books at anndavilacardinal.com. Download a transcript of the episode (PDF). Support the Show.…
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Recorded May 2, 2022. Bladesmith Andrew Meers focuses his creative practice on making a variety of knives. Most of his knives are heavily embellished art and are not strictly utilitarian. Conversely, he also sometimes makes batches of kitchen knives. Andrew often incorporates story and narrative themes to his work, especially in his decorative inla…
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Recorded April 18, 2022. Soapmaker Andrea Davis is the owner of Motherland Essentials in South Carolina. She focuses on cold process soapmaking and loves the interplay between art and science that soapmaking allows. During our interview she guides us along her path into soapmaking: from a traumatizing situation in the corporate world to how she rel…
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Two of the minds behind independent film company WalrusDice Productions discuss their new feature-length fantasy adventure, The Butterfly Queen, filmed entirely around Ryegate, VT and releasing in fall 2022. Learn more about the film and the production company at walrusdice.com. See photos from the filming of The Butterfly Queen in the show notes o…
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Recorded March 28, 2022. Blacksmith Caitlin Morris is the founder of Ms. Caitlin’s School of Blacksmithing in Frederick, Maryland, and “is dedicated to sharing the craft with as many unsuspecting people as possible!” Caitlin is a dedicated teacher who learned the perils and triumphs associated with learning when she first started her craft. As a sm…
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Recorded April 4, 2022. Ceramicist Makeda Smith took a leap of faith during 2020 to start her own business. She had dabbled in ceramics in college, but when a friend saw her talent and encouraged her to take her creative side more seriously, she decided to accept the challenge. The acknowledgement and support she received from her community culmina…
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