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Dads And Daddies

Judson Morrow and Brian Rubin-Sowers

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Dads and Daddies features frank, unrehearsed conversations between one Gen X Dad of two and one Millennial self-identified ‘Daddy,’ with a focus on their personal stories of sex, love and marriage, plus topics spanning parenthood, Daddyhood, family, friendship, identity, money, addiction & recovery, and so many more that reveal the deeply intimate details of what it means to live life as adult gay men today.
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Into the Mud Podcast delves into the messy and uncertain junctures of life, exploring the transitional spaces where growth and self-discovery occur. Inspired by the wisdom of “no mud, no lotus,” this show fearlessly tackles the mayhem of growth. While others only celebrate the "wins", we want to celebrate your mud! Join us (Drew King and Alex Kumin!) every week as we dive deep into topics like major life transitions, navigating grief, parenting, taking the scary step into the unknown, and mu ...
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Conversations on addiction and recovery are not new to "Into the Mud", and this week's episode is not to be missed. Podcast host, comedian and corporate American "Daddy" Judson Morrow dives headfirst into the mud with Drew and Alex to discuss his dark and life-threatening history with crystal methamphetamine. Dark humored, intellectual, and admirab…
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What happens when a medical crisis puts your life on hold and forces you to stop? For busybodies and doers, this is a brutal challenge; the root of which is a deep identity crisis. On this week’s episode, Broadway’s Donnie Kehr gets muddy about the multiple times his health has compromised his independence and forced him to slow down and “smell the…
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Judson counsels Brian on his continuing saga of the hookup that just won’t happen. The two are then joined by Dr. Israel Martinez, author of the new book, “Enhancing Pleasure for Gay Men: A Clinical Guide for Healing and Acceptance Through Better Sex.” Israel talks to Judson and Brian about shame and validation, the concept of Responsive Arousal, h…
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Alcohol consumption is deeply embedded in the fabric of our daily lives: dates, social gatherings, birthdays, bad days, good days, pandemic hobbies. Many people have a healthy relationship with alcohol. And, many do not. According to the NIAA (National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism), a reported 15 million Americans struggle with alcohol…
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Judson analyzes his recent ambivalence about sex and reveals he’s having a “Bottom Autumn.” Brian shares his daughter’s follow-up questions on the sex talk and comes clean about why he may have sounded so jealous on the recent Jealousy episode. The two then compare how they each answer the age-old question asked on the apps, “Into?,” and dive into …
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Judson receives some unwanted attention. Brian has “the talk” with his 8 year-old. Then, Bob Levine, celebrating 69 years as both drag icon Rose Levine and as a denizen of Cherry Grove, sits down with Judson and Brian at the Belvedere Guest House for Men as he prepares for Rose's Green Room 42 debut next month. Subject of the documentary “Roseland:…
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Bessel van der Kolk's popular book, "The Body Keeps the Score", tackles the heavy repercussions that emotional trauma and stress leave on the physical body. Actress Vasthy Mompoint is no stranger to this phenomenon. Battling a crippling divorce, an ADHD diagnosis, lifesaving fibroid surgery, and even early menopause, Vasthy and her body have been t…
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Brian shares his review of “Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.” Judson recounts how an Instagram ad for mushrooms led to getting his ears pierced. The two then compare notes on their experiences of jealousy and envy in their open marriages. They close by counseling a listener who confesses that neither he nor his partner are all that comfortable initiating s…
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This week’s episode begins with a celebration of Judson’s home state of Ohio and a post-mortem on Brian’s most recent visit to a sex party. The two then dive into an exploration of sex while traveling – from the sampling of the sex on offer at various destinations across the globe to how our sexual behaviors, interests and tastes may change while o…
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We all need to pay the bills, but where do we draw the line and learn when to establish boundaries? This can be an overwhelming challenge for workaholics; especially freelancers who live in the constant state of "feast or famine". On this week's episode Broadway actor, Harris Milgrim, attempts to reconcile his unhealthy relationship to work with hi…
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After a chat about exchanging X-rated pics and a shared need for privacy screens, treating children like adults in day-to-day life, and treating adults like children at work, Judson and Brian explore safety concerns and self-preservation regarding hookups. Judson recounts a recent experience when he asked a hookup to leave his home, and things turn…
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Grief sucks. Period. But, grief stacked on top of a complicated relationship with the deceased can be even more devastating. On this week’s episode, stand-up comedian, Mehran Khaghani, embraces his dark sense of humor as well as his deep well of compassion in the wake of losing his both mother AND mother-in-law in the span of three months. Bio: Meh…
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Dads and Daddies goes to Fire Island! Broadcasting from the historic Belvedere Guest House for Men in Cherry Grove, Judson and Brian first compare thoughts on their experiences of Fire Island before welcoming legendary gay nightlife impresario Daniel Nardicio to the podcast. Daniel discusses his life producing and promoting some of the community’s …
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You know what is equally inspiring and horrible? Being a beginner! On today's episode, Drew and Alex Get a little meta and a lot muddy about the painful learning curves of creating a podcast, as well as the challenges of embracing a "beginner's mindset" later on in life. Bio: Alex is a New York based comedian by way of Chicago and Boston whose bold…
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Judson reports the exciting news that one of his longest-standing fantasies could be realized very soon. Brian somehow evolves the conversation into discussing his frustration about being left off a text chain with other families planning an outing to the Botanic Garden. The two then enter into an examination of sex parties – how the current state …
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"Age isn't a number, it's an attitude". This adage surrounding aging can apply to many chapters of life, but on this episode of Into the Mud, Drew and Alex sit down with Broadway finance director, Floyd Sklaver, to talk about his fears and anxieties (as well as hopes and desires) bubbling up with his impending retirement. Bio: Floyd has been the Di…
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Judson shares a story about a repeat hookup gone right. Brian shares his fear that there may be a hacker interfering with his hookup prospects. Brian then interviews Judson at his most open and honest about his drug and alcohol addiction, and his ongoing journey through Recovery. This week’s Go Ask Your Dad is on theme, as Judson and Brian respond …
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Social media is a double-edged sword: it blinds us with comparison, but sometimes, it functions as a powerful tool for connection and awareness. On this week of Into the Mud, stand-up comedian and writer, Carly Kane, opens up about this exact duality; specifically, how it brought to light her recent OCD diagnosis (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder). Th…
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Brian and Judson each talk about how they’re back in the saddle after some time away from certain habits. Brian gives yet another theater review, this time for the Broadway play, “JOB”. Judson then guides Brian through the world of sexual roleplay. They close by discussing how challenging it can be to relax when bottoming during a hookup in respons…
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On today's episode, Drew and Alex dive deep into the pain and agony of addiction as well as the gifts of recovery with Broadway actor, Alex Puette. Sobriety is an incredibly challenging path; Drew and Alex are still sitting in deep admiration of Alex's recovery from crystal meth. There is no "one-size-fits-all" solution to addiction; so, join Alex …
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This week, Judson and Brian recount their night at the opening of “Oh Mary!” on Broadway before welcoming actor, comedian, Vanity Fair culture writer and co-host of Vanity Fair’s Still Watching podcast Chris Murphy! Chris joins our Dad and Daddy to talk about his Daddy Issues around sharing space and managing time after moving in with his boyfriend…
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You know what’s really muddy? Breakups. On Episode 7 of Into the Mud, boxer and personal trainer, Sydney Miller, dives into the grungy swamp of saying goodbye to a “situationship”. We have all been hung up on someone that no longer aligns with our values and goals, but how do you find the strength to say goodbye? And, how do you navigate the messy …
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Judson shares an incredible story about what began as a spontaneous day trip to Fire Island and ends up as a profound moment of Daddy-ness. Brian presents a series of questions that some of our straight listeners have posed to us after hearing our first several episodes. Together they discuss the broad menu of sexual pleasures available outside of …
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Do you ever find yourself comparing your life to others? The “comparison monster” rears its ugly head every so often, and it can be a real struggle to keep it in check. Fortunately, you are not alone. In this episode of “Into the Mud”, Drew and Alex dive deep into the discomfort and muddiness of comparison. Bio: Alex is a New York based comedian by…
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Judson describes his first few days vape-free. Brian gives his review of “Cats: The Jellicle Ball.” Then, the two examine what makes them feel the most shame, and how they each attempt to manage it. They end with a Go Ask Your Dad question from a listener who has discovered that a favorite hookup of his isn’t open, he’s cheating.…
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After Judson and Brian compare notes on their childhood concert-going experiences, discuss the right attitude with which to approach a sex party, and share how they each broke (or tried to break) their month-long streaks of not having hookups, the two enter into a breakdown of the top-bottom-vers continuum, and their personal journeys through all s…
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"Authenticity" is such a buzzword these days, but in this episode of Into the Mud, you will see why Drew and Alex wanted to tackle that very topic with the super talented Broadway dancer and choreographer, Richard Riaz Yoder. Richard shares their journey of transitioning from a celebrated dancer to choreographer, delving into the muddy challenges o…
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In this week’s episode, Brian recounts one daughter’s first encounter with homophobia and his other daughter’s talent show triumph giving a drag performance. Judson describes the options available to find places to hookup when neither party can host. Then, the two enter into a discussion inspired by a listener email about the myth of “gay death” at…
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On Episode 4, Drew and Alex sit down with filmmaker and actress, Shayla Benoit, to get muddy about her harrowing and courageous recovery from Stage 4 lymphoma and papillary thyroid cancer. Shayla’s vulnerability and generosity shine through in this inspiring story that is a testament to the resilience of the human spirit. Bio: Shayla Benoit is a fi…
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Block. Ghost. Flake. Catfish. SUCCESS! Repeat. Sound familiar? After recapping Judson’s weekend in Los Angeles and Brian’s week coming out to his straight friends about his open marriage, our Dad and Daddy discuss the joys and pitfalls of the most common gay hookup apps, offer some insight on good app etiquette and provide tips on how to detect if …
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With great waves of creativity come great waves of burnout; sometimes the fountain just runs dry. During this episode of "Into the Mud", actress Sasheer Zamata opens up about the muddiness of burnout that accompanies a freelance creative lifestyle. Bio: Sasheer Zamata is a comedian, actress and writer who can be seen on ABC's Home Economics, Hulu's…
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In their second episode, Judson and Brian celebrate the joy and vibrance of introducing their new podcast at the Pride Festival in Brooklyn, NY, before tackling the delicate topic of fighting fair in relationships. Whether it's a disagreement with a partner, friend, or family member, conflict is inevitable, and how we handle it makes all the differ…
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Alex and Drew sit down with Tony-Nominated actress, Lilli Cooper, for an intimate and vulnerable conversation about the challenges of parenting, marriage and work-life balance. There is more to life beyond the spotlight, and Lilli delivers us a raw but lighthearted glimpse behind the curtain. Bio: Lilli Cooper is a Tony nominated actress who is cur…
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Hi friends! Welcome to Dads and Daddies, a podcast about the lives and times of adult gay men in the here and now. In their inaugural episode, meet Brian, a married father of two, and Judson, our resident Daddy. They introduce themselves, their new podcast and discuss the history and navigation of their open relationships. To cap things off, they e…
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For their debut episode, Drew and Alex invite accomplished actor and writer, David A. Gregory, to dive headfirst into a muddy conversation about grief. After the passing of David's father from Alzheimer's Disease in November of 2023, David is still wading in the muddy waters of loss. For those who have lost a family member, friend, sibling, coworke…
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Alex is a standup comedian. Drew is a Broadway performer. Together, they are your hosts for Into the Mud! Alex and Drew met a million years ago in 2007 while studying abroad in Spain. They backpacked through Europe together, said farewell at an airport in Dublin in 2008, and didn't reconnect until 2018 while Drew was performing in Alex's then home,…
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