I’m here to totally disrupt the legal industry and how lawyers exit their law firms. I want to crush the old notion that you can’t sell your law firm or that it is not worth anything. You absolutely can and … There is a Better, Much more profitable way.
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Do you hate working as a lawyer? Are you an unhappy lawyer who wants to leave the law, but isn't sure what to do next? Do your family and friends think you're crazy for wanting to leave the law, or are you too afraid to tell them you don't want to be a lawyer? The Former Lawyer Podcast is for you! Each week, host Sarah Cottrell interviews a different former lawyer who has left the law behind. Hear inspiring stories about how these former lawyers are thriving and found their way to careers an ...
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We’re here to share tips, resources, wins, losses and encouragement for moms who are raising a family while building a lawfirm, so you feel less alone in your journey toward a fulfilling career and being the best mom you can be.
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Welcome to The Next Level Law Podcast, where your hosts, Arash Eskandari and Richard Perillo, unlock the secrets to law firm success in the modern world. Whether you’re a seasoned law firm owner or just starting out, this podcast is your go-to resource for accelerating growth, refining your business tactics, and mastering marketing strategies that work. Join us every week as we dive deep into the challenges and triumphs of managing and growing a law firm in today’s competitive environment. W ...
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From an unknown parish, in an unknown confessional, Father Connelly sends us the anonymously recorded confessions of people just like you.
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In this one-of-a-kind episode of Smart Lawyers Position to Transition, the roles are reversed as our host, Victoria Collier, steps into the hot seat. For the first time, Victoria opens up about her personal journey as a law firm owner—sharing the highs, the hardships, and ultimately, her decision to step away from the law. Interviewed by her podcas…
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How Toxic Workplaces Make You Doubt Yourself—And Why Leaving Law Can Help
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In this episode, Sarah dives into how toxic workplaces—especially law firms—can lead to deep-rooted self-doubt and self-gaslighting. She breaks down the ways negative environments distort our sense of self-worth and confidence, making it feel impossible to see a way out. For those who feel trapped in a cycle of self-doubt, Sarah shares insights int…
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Where and How to Invest Your Sales Proceeds
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In today’s episode, host Victoria Collier talks with Spencer Hilligoss, investor in Madison Investing, about what to do after selling your law firm. Spencer shares valuable insights on transforming your sale proceeds into a lasting income stream, exploring how passive investments can open new opportunities for financial freedom. They dive into less…
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How a Misalignment of Values and Career Helped a Lawyer Become a Therapist with David Sazant
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In this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, host Sarah Cottrell talks with David Sazant, a former litigator who transitioned from practicing law to becoming a therapist. David shares how he recognized that his legal career was not in line with his personal values and explains the process he went through to make the leap into mental health. For th…
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Building a Lifestyle Law Firm Through Intake and Data
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In this episode, Victoria Collier welcomes Philip Fairley, president and owner of The Rainmaker Institute, to explore the transformative impact of effective intake processes and data analytics on law firm growth. Philip shares his journey from tech entrepreneur to law firm marketing leader and provides actionable strategies for building a firm that…
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How Law Firms Mismanage Billable Hours and Create Anxiety for Associates
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In this episode, Sarah dives into the toxic environment many law firms create by pushing junior associates to take responsibility for generating work they have no control over. She exposes how leadership fails to support their teams, leading to stress and anxiety for those just starting their legal careers. If you’re tired of being blamed for a lac…
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How Adrian Hern Beat Legal Burnout and Transformed Her Career
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In this episode, Sarah revisits a conversation with her client, Adrian Hern, who shares her journey through The Collab and the Collab Plus One-on-One Program. Adrian opens up about her experience as a lawyer stuck in a toxic work environment, how she found her way to a new career, and the life-changing results, including a 40% salary increase. If y…
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Building Decisive Leaders with Jack Flaherty
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In this episode, host Victoria Collier talks with Jack Flaherty, author of The Decision Switch, about how lawyers can make purpose-driven decisions to build better firms. They discuss the impact of AI on the legal field, generational divides in marketing, and the value of clear goal-setting. Jack emphasizes the need to align decisions with core val…
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Why Your Law Firm Isn't a Meritocracy (And How It's Holding You Back)
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Have you ever wondered why all your hard work at the firm isn't paying off the way you expected? In this episode, Sarah exposes the myth of meritocracy in law firms and how it fuels imposter syndrome for even the most accomplished lawyers. She reveals the hidden reasons behind why your efforts might be going unrecognized and shares how you can brea…
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How Conversion Rates affect Law Firm Valuations & Sales
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In this episode, host Victoria Collier goes into an often overlooked metric when valuing law firms: the sales conversion rate. She explains how the percentage of consultations that convert into paying clients can significantly affect a firm's revenue and overall valuation. Whether you’re preparing to sell or looking to buy a law firm, understanding…
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How Law Firms Are Failing Lawyers With ADHD with Annie Little
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In this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, host Sarah Cottrell shares a conversation with Annie Little about disclosing ADHD and other neurodivergent or mental health conditions in the workplace, specifically within Biglaw. As October is ADHD Awareness Month, Sarah highlights the challenges lawyers face when considering disclosure and the system…
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Entreprenuer Skills for Non-Entreprenuerial Lawyers with Guest Charley Mann
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In this episode, host Victoria Collier sits down with Charley Mann, founder of Law Firm Alchemy, to discuss how law firm owners can transform their entrepreneurial mindset and build essential business skills. Charley shares insights on overcoming growth plateaus, marketing strategies for law firms at various stages, and the importance of embracing …
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It’s Not You, It’s Burnout: How Your Environment Has a Big Impact
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In this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, Sarah Cottrell tackles a topic that has been coming up in many of her conversations with clients: the overwhelming feeling that you just don’t want to work anymore. If you’ve ever felt like you hate working and can’t imagine enjoying any job, especially after working in a toxic legal environment, this e…
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Life After Law®: Professional Supervision with Lora McInturf
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In this special Life After Law® episode, host Victoria Collier sits down with Lora McInturf, a former lawyer turned coach, to discuss navigating personal and professional transitions. Lora opens up about her unique journey from a career in accounting and law to becoming an expat and ultimately finding her passion for coaching. Together, they explor…
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How to Prepare a Law Practice for Sale with Victoria Collier
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In this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, Sarah Cottrell talks with Victoria Collier, founder of Quid Pro Quo Law, about the process of preparing a law firm for sale. Victoria shares her own journey, from building her practice to successfully selling it, and offers critical insights into the steps lawyers can take to make their firms scalable a…
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Building Business through Community with Guest Tyson Mutrux
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In this episode, host Victoria Collier talks with Tyson Mutrux, founder of the Mutrux Firm and co-founder of the Maximum Lawyer Guild. Tyson shares his journey from his military background to law school, to building a successful law firm and a thriving community for lawyers. They discuss the power of connections, the importance of creating a suppor…
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The Former Lawyer Framework 2.0: Streamlining Your Exit Strategy
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The Former Lawyer framework has recently received a glow-up, and this podcast episode covers all the fun updates. Sarah has a few things that stuck out to her and would be the most helpful to anyone considering becoming a former lawyer. She covers those items in this episode to highlight them for all the podcast listeners considering joining. See s…
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In this episode, host Victoria Collier goes into the world of business valuations, specifically focusing on two essential metrics: EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization) and SDE (Seller’s Discretionary Earnings). These metrics are more than just finance jargon—they are crucial for accurately valuing your law firm o…
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The Importance of Asking Yourself What Can Go Right with Liza Hanks
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Today’s podcast episode features a conversation between Sarah and a member of the Collab, Liza Hanks. Liza made a career transition out of practicing law after 22 years, and they discussed how the Collab played a role in her transition and decision-making process. This conversation is helpful for anyone considering making their transition out of la…
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The Law Firm Revenue Calculator with Terrell Turner
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In this episode, host Victoria Collier is joined by Terrell Turner, CPA and founder of the TL Turner Group, to discuss the essential role of finance in law firm success. Terrell, a passionate advocate for simplifying accounting, shares his journey from corporate finance to helping law firms across the country better understand their financial healt…
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The “No Assholes Rule” (And Why It’s A Joke)
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You may have worked in a workplace or more than one legal workplace where they said that they had a no-asshole rule. Clearly, there are many people who have worked in similar workplaces because this episode is one of the most downloaded episodes. Again, it's one of the ones I hear about the most from people because there is so much agreement with t…
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How To Build a Killer C-Suite with Powerhouse guest Allison Williams
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In this episode, Victoria sits down with Allison Williams, founder of Law Firm Mentor, to delve into the critical role of C-suites in scaling a law firm. Allison provides expert insights on when and how to build a C-suite team to transform your firm from a small practice into a thriving multi-figure business. Discover the strategies for effective l…
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The next episode in our summer re-release series is Burnout is a Feature, Not a Bug. This is one of the things that I honestly think is the most important for you to realize if you are working in a toxic workplace, if you're working in a large law firm, or in Biglaw. Burnout is a feature of the way that work is organized in these organizations, it …
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LIFE AFTER LAW®: Using History to Create the Future of Your Dreams
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In this episode of our special series, Life After Law,® Victoria Collier sits down with Rebecca Bratspies, an esteemed law professor, author, and historian, to explore how lawyers can transition into fulfilling roles outside the traditional practice of law. Rebecca shares her experiences working on innovative projects that blend law, education, and…
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I originally recorded the episode Your Job Should Not Make You Cry back in the very early days of lockdown when I was still editing the podcast myself and needed to be able to edit some shorter episodes, which ultimately I discovered was a happy accident because this episode is one of the most popular episodes of the podcast. It is one of the most …
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In this episode, Victoria is joined by real estate expert Paul Neal, author of Un-lease Your Business. They explore the transformative potential of buying commercial real estate for your business. Paul shares practical insights on overcoming common obstacles, the advantages of property ownership, and how to strategically approach purchasing real es…
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What Collab Members Wish They Had Done Sooner
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The next episode in our summer re-release series is one of the episodes from our Collab member question series. If you've listened to this series before, you know that I asked a bunch of different people in the Collab to answer some questions about their experience, what they've learned, the things that they have taken away from the process of figu…
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Mastering Law Firm Valuation and Transitions with Victoria Collier
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In this episode of the Next Level Law podcast, hosts Richard Perillo and Arash Eskandari sit down with Victoria Collier, founder of Quid Pro Quo Law. With over 18 years of experience running her own elder law and estate planning firm, Victoria now specializes in law firm valuations and assisting attorneys in buying and selling practices. Victoria s…
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From Marketing to Matrimony: Snehal Massey's Journey in Family Law
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In this Next Level Law podcast episode, host Richard Perillo sits down with Snehal Massey, owner of SPM Law Office in Columbia, Maryland. Snehal shares her journey from a marketing career to founding her law firm, highlighting her focus on family law, including divorce, custody, and adoption cases. She discusses the emotional aspects of family law,…
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Letting Go: The Hardest Part of Selling a Law Firm
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In this episode, we discuss the emotional challenges of letting go with our host, Victoria Collier. Victoria shares her personal experience of selling her law firm and the profound sense of identity loss that followed. She highlights the importance of understanding the grief and emotional process involved in selling a law firm. This episode aims to…
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Signs of Malignant Narcissism In The Legal Profession
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Next up in this summer series of the most popular episodes of The Former Lawyer Podcast is an episode that I did about malignant narcissism in the legal profession and specifically signs of malignant narcissism because no surprise, narcissists are very common in our profession and a lot of the things that you experience in your legal workplace that…
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Shaping Positive Money Behavior with Guest Jonathan Blau
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Are you confident in your financial plan for retirement? Join Victoria Collier and Jonathan Blau, founder of Fusion Family Wealth, as they uncover the secrets to effective financial planning tailored for lawyers. From understanding the critical role of insurance to interviewing financial advisors and exploring the intricate link between money and h…
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Not Fitting In at Law Firms is a Good Thing
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The reason that I recorded this episode originally is that so often when lawyers are thinking about leaving, one of the things that holds them back from leaving especially if they work in a law firm is that other people are going to look down on them and think that they're making a terrible decision, et cetera. I think it's critical to remember, as…
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In this episode of our Life After Law® series, host Victoria Collier explores the world of style and self-expression with Estelle Winsett, an attorney turned personal stylist for female lawyers. Estelle shares her inspiring journey from the legal profession to empowering women attorneys to show up as their most authentic selves through fashion. Lis…
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Today we're kicking off a summer series with episodes of the podcast that have been released over the past, well, honestly, almost five years the podcast has been going. These episodes that we're going to be re-releasing are all episodes that have been extremely popular, they're some of the most downloaded, or they're some of the ones that I hear t…
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New Tax Strategies for Small Business Owners with Guest Adam Williams
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Join us for an engaging conversation with Adam Williams, founder of Pennywise Tax Strategies, as we dive into the world of proactive tax planning and business strategy. Discover how understanding and leveraging tax laws can significantly impact your financial health and business success. Key Takeaways: 1. Proactive Tax Planning: Learn why continu…
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Do You Need a Bridge Job? Key Questions for Lawyers in Transition
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In today’s episode, Sarah addresses a common question that lawyers who are looking to leave their positions often ask: Will you need a bridge job to make the transition? Sara answers by first discussing the two types of bridge jobs and what lawyers need to consider when answering this question for themselves. See show notes at formerlawyer.com/239…
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Doing Things Differently Makes All the Difference
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In this episode, you will discover, alongside our host, Victoria Collier, the power of remote work and the importance of technological advancements in law firms. Drawing from her own experiences and industry knowledge, she provides actionable advice on leveraging global talent, maintaining control with virtual teams, and overcoming resistance to ch…
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The Abusive Corporate Lifestyle is Not Designed to Help You Thrive with Tiffany Rogers
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Today’s podcast episode features a conversation between Sarah and someone who is not actually a former lawyer. Tiffany Rogers is a therapist based in Chicago. She specializes in working with women in the corporate world, specifically Black women. With so much discussion about therapy on many podcast episodes, it’s great to feature a conversation wi…
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Power Up Your Practice with Guest Ruby Powers
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In this episode, host Victoria Collier sits down with Ruby Powers, a trailblazing immigration attorney and the visionary founder of Powers Law Group. Ruby brings over 15 years of experience in law practice management and is a respected author in the legal community. In this episode, we explore the critical elements of building a sustainable and sel…
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The Most Challenging Part of Leaving Law is the Emotional Work
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In today’s podcast episode, Sarah shares the hardest thing about leaving the law. She’s talked to many clients, peers, podcast guests, and people in her life; everyone encounters their own unique obstacles. However, the biggest thing keeping people from making a change is the practical reality. Lawyers get stuck trying to figure out things on the f…
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LIFE AFTER LAW®: Ditch Your Soul Sucking Job
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In this episode of our series Life After Law®, from the Smart Lawyers Position to Transition podcast, host Victoria Collier sits down with Sarah Cottrell, founder of Former Lawyer LLC and host of the Former Lawyer podcast. Sarah shares her journey from practicing law to helping other lawyers transition out of the legal profession. They discuss the …
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Lawyers Hoping To Be Hit By A Bus Isn't Normal, but Not Uncommon Either with Kelcey Baker
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In today’s podcast episode, Sarah is chatting with Kelcey Baker, a returning guest. Their conversation reviews why it isn’t normal to want a break from work so bad that you think about getting hit by a bus. Yes, that’s a common expression within lawyer networks. There is a trigger warning because the conversation dives into narcissism, abuse, self-…
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Technology Transforms Law Firm Growth and Value with Maya Markovich
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In this episode of Smart Lawyers Position to Transition, Victoria Collier sits down with Maya Markovich, Executive Director of the Justice Technology Association, to discuss how technology is revolutionizing law firms, transforming them into valuable businesses, and enhancing client service. Maya shares insights from her extensive experience in leg…
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How to Explore Your Career Options After Law with Patience and a Plan
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In today’s episode, Sarah offers important advice to listeners. While practicing law, she constantly thought about what she wanted to do outside the law. But then her brain would start telling her everything that would make it a bad fit and instantly become negative. Lawyers are just trained to do this, and it’s important that you recognize that ah…
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In this episode of the Smart Lawyers Position to Transition podcast, host Victoria Collier sits down with Autumn Noble, the inspiring founder of the Lawyer Life Collective. Autumn, an attorney, speaker, author, and coach, shares her insights on the unique challenges women face in the legal profession. With a focus on navigating firm politics, achie…
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Navigating Commercial Real Estate After Gaining Experience in Biglaw with Andre Ferrari
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Today’s podcast episode features a conversation between Sarah and Andre Ferrari. He practiced law for a few years before becoming a real estate developer. Andre shares his career path and how he got to where he is today. It’s interesting to see how interested he’s always been in real estate and how that’s helped him transition between multiple role…
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Step-by-Step Actions To Grow Your Law Firm with Guest Steve Fretzin
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In this episode of the Smart Lawyers Position to Transition podcast, host Victoria Collier sits down with Steve Fretzin, the president of Fretzin, Inc. and a seasoned expert in legal business development. Together, they delve into the step-by-step actions necessary to grow a successful law firm, exploring practical strategies and proven methods tha…
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Mastering Law Firm Growth with David Craig: Strategies for Success
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In this Next Level Law podcast episode, hosts Arash Eskandari and Richard Perillo sit down with David Craig, the managing partner of Craig, Kelley & Faultless. David shares his expertise in law firm marketing, offering invaluable strategies for leveraging law firm growth. He discusses the significance of creating a positive client experience, estab…
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How Many Vacations Will Be Lost Before You Make a Change
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Summer has arrived! On today’s podcast, Sarah asks listeners the question, “How many vacations does your job have to ruin, cancel, impinge upon, or maybe make you not even plan before you decide enough is enough?” Many lawyers struggle to take vacations, and when they do, it’s a challenge to shut off work and enjoy themselves. So many of the people…
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