The official podcast of the Golf Course Superintendent Association of America turns a spotlight on the stories of GCSAA's members and the vital role they play in the game of golf's overall success. The podcast is also a vehicle to showcase association products and services that can help members do their jobs better, faster and more cost-effectively.
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66. Looking back and looking ahead with Rick Tegtmeier, CGCS, MG
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In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we visit with Rick Tegtmeier, CGCS, MG, director of grounds at Des Moines Golf and Country Club who is on the brink of retirement after a hall-of-fame-worthy, 40-year career in golf course management. Rick talks about his start in the industry at a local nine-hole course, some of the technological innovations h…
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65. Boots on the ground: A conversation with Envu’s Todd Lowe
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In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we sit down with Todd Lowe, a former USGA agronomist who now is part of Envu’s Green Solutions Team. Lowe provides great insights into the El Niño weather pattern that was so nettlesome for golf course superintendents in Florida this past spring and whose effects are still being felt. Lowe shares his personal j…
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64. A conversation about women in turf for Women’s Golf Day 2024
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As a part of a partnership between GCM and John Deere, this episode of the GCSAA Podcast celebrates Women's Golf Day 2024 — which runs an entire week this year, May 28-June 4 — with a panel discussion among four women working in turfgrass management about the state of the women-in-turf movement. Devon Carrol, solution development manager with Envu,…
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63. Fairways to Leadership: A conversation with GCSAA President Jeff White, CGCS
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast features GCSAA’s 87th president, Jeff White, CGCS. Jeff and podcast host Scott Hollister peel back the turf to reveal the meticulous craft of keeping a club like Indian Hills Country Club in pristine condition while navigating the strategic fairways of the GCSAA. Jeff talks about his introduction to the industry, h…
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62. Reflecting on a Legacy: A Journey Through Golf Management with Scott Hollister
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This episode turns the tables on the longtime host of this podcast, Scott Hollister, as he prepares to depart GCSAA after 26 years on the job. Scott offers us a candid look into his long tenure with GCSAA and GCM , from the adrenaline of the 2000 U.S. Open to the solidarity felt during the industry's trials post-9/11. Alongside Howard Richman, Scot…
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61. Jason Sfire on Breaking Barriers in Golf for Adaptive Athletes
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When life throws a curveball, how do you swing back? In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, Jason Sfire, an incredible advocate for adaptive athletics, opens up about his journey as an adaptive athlete in golf — a narrative that's as much about his own conquests as it is a beacon for inclusivity and accessibility in sports. In a heartfelt discussion…
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60. Amy and Joe Bockerstette, Recorded Live at the 2024 GCSAA Conference and Trade Show
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Amy Bockerstette caught the attention of the golf world in 2019 after getting the opportunity to play the famed 16th hole at TPC Scottsdale with professional golfer Gary Woodland during a practice round for the Waste Management Open. On this episode of the GCSAA Podcast — recorded live during the 2024 GCSAA Conference and Trade Show in Phoenix — we…
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On this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we take a look back at the year that was in 2023 and a look ahead to what's ahead in 2024 with association CEO Rhett Evans. We review high points from the year that was, including the GCSAA Conference and Trade Show in Orlando (7:30), Rounds 4 Research (11:30), First Green (20:55) and the Women's Leadership Aca…
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58. A conversation with Don Hearn, CGCS Retired
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast features another in our occasional "Legends of Turf" series as we sit down with Don Hearn, CGCS Retired. Hearn is the current executive director of the GCSA of New England, but his influence extends well past that role. He spent nearly 40 years as a working superintendent in New England, including a 29-year stay at…
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57. Emily Casey and Andy Huber on Javelinas, Going Viral and Life at Seven Canyons Golf Club
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast dives into the wild kingdom that has been Seven Canyons Golf Club in Sedona, Ariz., this fall with two folks responsible for the care of that property — Director of Agronomy Andy Huber and Assistant Superintendent Emily Casey (@emcaseyturf). The team at Seven Canyons has been dealing with widespread turf damage cau…
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56. Surviving Hurricane Ian with Roy Jones and Kyle Sweet, CGCS
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In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast — recorded live from the soon-to-be-opened clubhouse at The Dunes Golf and Tennis Club on Sanibel Island, Fla. — we sit down with Roy Jones and Kyle Sweet, CGCS, to discuss their experiences as golf course superintendents who experienced Hurricane Ian one year ago. Jones oversees The Dunes, while Sweet is in cha…
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55. Kayla Kipp and Bri Kenny on women in turf and golf's sustainability movement
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On this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, guest host Kayla Kipp, CTEM, the equipment manager at Nemacolin Resort in Farmington, Pa., sits down for a wide-ranging discussion with Bri Kenny, who is the manager for environmental science with Troon. The pair talk about Kenny's career, golf's growing sustainability movement and their experiences in the wome…
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54. Zac Reicher, Ph.D., on a year of uncertainty and Envu's Green Solutions Team
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In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we sit down with Zac Reicher, Ph.D., a Green Solutions Team Specialist for Envu, which has sponsored this podcast almost since its inception. We talk with Reicher about his path into a career in turf, his long stint as a member of the academic community, his role with Envu and how he works with golf course supe…
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53. Bubba Wright on the 2023 U.S. Women's Open and Life at Pebble Beach
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This episode features a conversation with Bubba Wright, the GCSAA Class A superintendent at Pebble Beach Golf Links, as he and his team prepare for the 2023 U.S. Women's Open, July 3-9. We talk about what's gone into readying the course for the first women's professional event to be contested at Pebble Beach since the 1940s, Wright's long affiliati…
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52. A conversation about women in turf on Women's Golf Day 2023
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As a part of a partnership between GCM and John Deere, this episode of the GCSAA Podcast celebrates Women's Golf Day 2023 — which runs an entire week this year, May 31-June 6 — with a panel discussion among five women working in or pursuing careers in turfgrass management about the state of the women-in-turf movement. Kayla Kipp, CTEM, the equipmen…
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51. Chris Tritabaugh on Communications, the Ryder Cup and F1
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In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we sit down with Chris Tritabaugh from Hazeltine National Golf Club in Chaska, Minn., to discuss a wide variety of topics, most notably his foray into blogs, social media, podcasts and his new Substack newsletter as a way to communicate with golfers and his colleagues around the industry. You can find him at @C…
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50. Matt Muhlenbruch, CGCS, on Technology and Golf Course Management
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On the 50th episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we dive into the ways technology is affecting the business of golf course management by talking with Matt Muhlenbruch, CGCS, from Hillcrest Country Club in Los Angeles. Following a recent major renovation, Hillcrest has adopted a number of high-tech tools in the management of the property — from soil sensor…
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49: Live from CTS 2023: Golf Magazine's Josh Sens
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Recorded live at the 2023 GCSAA Conference and Trade Show in Orlando, this episode features Josh Sens from Golf Magazine, who was among the media members who covered CTS. We talk about the popular Super Secrets column he produces for Golf.com, some of the favorite stories he's written during his career (hint: it includes an unauthorized trip to Nor…
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48. Live from CTS 2023: USGA's Matt Pringle
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Recorded live at the 2023 GCSAA Conference and Trade Show in Orlando, this episode features Matt Pringle, Ph.D., the managing director of the USGA Green Section. We discuss his unique path to his current role with the Green Section, the launch of the new GS3 greens management tool and the role Green Section agronomists play in the preparation for t…
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47. Goodbye Bayer, hello Envu: A conversation with Envu CEO Gilles Gaillou
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast features a conversation with Gilles Gaillou, the CEO of Envu, the newest company to enter the golf course management business. Born from Bayer Environmental Science and featuring all the same products from that company that superintendents will be familiar with, Envu is nonetheless an all-new entity that launched i…
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46. Inside the 2023 GCSAA Conference and Trade show
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast takes a deep dive into the upcoming GCSAA Conference and Trade Show, Feb. 6-9 in Orlando, with some of the GCSAA staff members leading efforts to put together an interactive experience you won't fine anywhere else. We talk with Ed Several, chief marketing officer, about noteworthy hands-on opportunities and the mai…
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45. Equipment management with Hector Velazquez and Howard Whitcomb
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast goes into the state of equipment management in golf with guest host Hector Velazquez (@HectorsShop on Twitter) chatting with Howard Whitcomb. Both have long histories working as equipment managers on golf courses, and both have found alternate paths following their days working in the industry. This episode feature…
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44. All About the Weather with Herb Stevens and Garrett Bastardi
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast goes deep into every superintendent's favorite topic — the weather — with Herb Stevens and Garrett Bastardi. Stevens is the founder of Grass Roots Weather, a service that offers personalized weather forecasting for golf course superintendents. He teamed with Bastardi to create the Turf Threat Tracker — or T3 — whic…
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43. A conversation with TPC Deere Run's Alex Stuedemann, CGCS
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Recorded live from TPC Deere Run during the week of the PGA Tour's John Deere Classic, this episode features Alex Stuedemann, CGCS, the longtime director of golf course operations at the Quad City standout, who is transitioning into a new position as the director of agronomy for the PGA Tour's TPC network of courses. We talk about his time in the Q…
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42. A conversation with Mel Lucas, CGCS Retired
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast continues our occasional series of conversations with some of the most influential figures in golf course management as we chat with Mel Lucas, CGCS Retired. Lucas is a 60-year GCSAA member, served as the association's national president in 1980 and has played a vital role in supporting turfgrass management beyond …
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41. Lorabeth Catterson on Women's Golf Day 2022
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast tips its cap to Women's Golf Day by talking with Lorabeth Catterson, the assistant director of agronomy at Hillcrest Country Club in Los Angeles. The five-year GCSAA member talks about her career, what first drew her to the profession and the trials and triumphs she's experienced along the way. You can read more ab…
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40. From Holey Moley to Diversity in Golf: A conversation with Craig Kirby
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In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we sit down for a conversation with Craig Kirby, the founder and CEO of Golf. My Future. My Game., which is an effort to create educational and career opportunities in the game for women, millennials, communities of color and children. We talk about Kirby's long career in politics, his role in diversity efforts…
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39. 2022 GCSAA President Kevin Breen, CGCS
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In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we sit down with newly elected GCSAA President Kevin Breen, CGCS , who is the golf course superintendent at La Rinconada Country Club in Los Gatos, Calif. We talk about his career in golf course management, his passion for industry service and what he hopes to see the association accomplish during his year in o…
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38. Live from the 2022 GCSAA Conference and Trade Show: Bob Farren, CGCS
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Pinehurst Resort's Bob Farren, CGCS, is the guest on this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, the second that was recorded live at the 2022 GCSAA Conference and Trade Show in San Diego. We talk with Farren about his long, storied career in golf course management, why mentoring others in the business is so important to him, and what it meant to him to be …
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37. Live from the 2022 GCSAA Conference and Trade Show: Chad Mark
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In this episode, recorded live at the 2022 GCSAA Conference and Trade Show in San Diego, we sit down the Chad Mark, the GCSAA Class A superintendent at Muirfield Village Golf Club in Dublin, Ohio. We talk with Chad about his journey into a career in golf course management, the full-scale renovation of Muirfield Village, what went into hosting back-…
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36. Rhett Evans on the 2022 GCSAA Conference and Trade Show
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In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we sit down with GCSAA CEO Rhett Evans to discuss the association's upcoming Conference and Trade Show in San Diego. We go over the latest Covid protocols in California, the reasoning behind the new name and the new schedule for the event, and all the exciting new events and sessions that will be available for …
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast features a conversation with a true legend of golf course management, Paul R. Latshaw. A 56-year member of the association and the winner of the 2014 Old Tom Morris Award, Latshaw shares stories and insights from his long career in the business, his stops at some of golf's most revered properties — Augusta, Winged …
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On this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we sit down with Trent Manning, the equipment manager at Ansley Golf Club in suburban Atlanta, the winner of GCM's 2018 Most Valuable Technician Award and the host of his own podcast, Reel Turf Techs. We talk about Manning's long career in golf course management, how he's seen the job of the equipment manager c…
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33. A Very Special GCSAA Golf Championship
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The 2021 GCSAA Golf Championships will be remembered for a variety of reasons, most notably the fact that they had to be postponed from their traditional late-January/early-February slot because of the pandemic. That's why GCSAA is heading to Palm Springs for a stand-alone event this October, so this episode examines this special event, what it too…
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32. Chris Zugel, CGCS, and the 2021 Ryder Cup at Whistling Straits
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast gets you ready for the 2021 Ryder Cup with a conversation with Chris Zugel, CGCS, the director of golf course maintenance for the Kohler Co. and Whistling Straits. We talk about how the maintenance team worked past the postponement of the competition in 2020, how his staff and volunteers will navigate the ongoing p…
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31. Career reflections with Dennis Lyon, CGCS
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On this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we chat with former GCSAA president Dennis Lyon, CGCS, about his long career in golf course management, his service to GCSAA and why retirement planning for superintendents is as important to long-term success as growing good turf. This episode is presented in partnership with Bayer Environmental Science.…
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30. Troy Flanagan on a very special U.S. Women's Open at The Olympic Club
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast features Troy Flanagan, the director of golf maintenance at The Olympic Club in San Francisco, the host course for this month's U.S. Women's Open. This will be a groundbreaking major championship for golf course maintenance as the volunteer crew will be made up largely of women turfgrass professionals, so we talk w…
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29. Brent LeBlanc and the Long Road Back from Hurricanes Laura and Delta
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast features a conversation with Brent LeBlanc, the GCSAA Class A superintendent at the Country Club at the Golden Nugget in Lake Charles, La., who helped lead recovery efforts at not just one, but two golf courses following the devastating impacts of Hurricanes Laura and Delta last year. LeBlanc spent a month working …
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28. A Conversation with GCSAA President, Mark F. Jordan, CGCS
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The latest episode of the GCSAA Podcast features a conversation with GCSAA's 85th president, Mark F. Jordan, CGCS, the natural resource leader at Westfield Country Club in Westfield Center, Ohio. We talk about Jordan's path to a career in golf course management, his views on the state of the association and the golf course management industry, and …
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27. Chris Ortmeier and the aftermath of a December major
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In mid-December, Champions Golf Club in Houston played host to the U.S. Women's Open. The event was originally scheduled to be played in June, but was postponed because of the coronavirus pandemic, making this the latest women's major in history. In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we talk with Chris Ortmeier, the director of agronomy at Champion…
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast examines the growing role of women in the golf course management industry, and the obstacles and opportunities they face in finding a career in the business. GCMOnline.com editor Megan Hirt talks with guests in three different roles in the industry — Tami Jones, who is the head superintendent at DeSoto Golf Club in…
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25. Christina Kim on life in the LPGA bubble and supporting superintendents
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In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we talk with Christina Kim, one of the LPGA Tour's most colorful and outspoken players. We discuss life inside the LPGA's bubble, the steps she's taken to become a better player and a better person, the pluses and minuses of her openness and willingness to interact on social media and her burgeoning interest in…
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24. Superintendent Alan FitzGerald on renovating during a pandemic
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Alan FitzGerald in the only golf course superintendent the members at LedgeRock Golf Club in Mohnton, Pa., have ever known, joining the club during construction 14 years ago. But that encyclopedic knowledge of the property and the club's members couldn't have prepared him for what took place earlier this year — a full renovation of the layout's par…
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23. Giving back in golf with Justin Daigle and Jason Krogman
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast features stories of giving back in the golf course management industry during the coronavirus pandemic. First, we talk with Justin Daigle from Perry Park Country Club in Larkspur, Colo., who with his family spearheaded an effort to obtain and donate personal protective equipment to first-responders in their part of…
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22. Golf writer Gary D'Amato on working with (and for) superintendents
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In this episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we talk with award-winning golf writer Gary D'Amato, senior writer with Killarney Golf Media and the website Wisconsin.golf. A longtime golf journalist who has covered more than 75 majors — including every Masters since 1993 — D'Amato talks about his recent story that chronicled his day volunteering on the main…
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21. GCSAA's COVID-19 Online Town Hall Meeting
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In this era of concern and uncertainty for both the golf course management industry and society in general, this episode of the GCSAA Podcast shares the audio from an online town hall meeting focused on the impact of the coronavirus on the industry which took place March 23. This is clearly a fluid situation and some information shared here may hav…
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20. A Conversation with GCSAA President John R. Fulling, CGCS
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast features a conversation with 2020 GCSAA President John R. Fulling, CGCS. We discuss his career in golf course management, his volunteer service at both the state and national levels, his goals for his year in office and, of course, his love of music and his role as the drummer for the country rock band The Bronk Br…
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast — recorded live at the 2020 Golf Industry Show in Orlando — features Jeff Corcoran, the manager of golf courses and grounds at Oak Hill Country Club in Rochester, N.Y. Corcoran talks about his long affiliation with Oak Hill, a club that has hosted 12 previous major championships and will play host to the PGA Champi…
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This episode of the GCSAA Podcast — recorded live at the 2020 Golf Industry Show in Orlando — features golf course architect Gil Hanse. The lead designer on the Olympic Golf Course in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, who also oversaw the renovation of the West Course at Winged Foot Golf Club, site of this June's U.S. Open, Hanse talks about how he got into …
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17. GIS-apalooza! A Comprehensive Guide to the 2020 Golf Industry Show
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In this very special, GIS-apalooza episode of the GCSAA Podcast, we go deep into the upcoming 2020 Golf Industry Show in Orlando (Jan. 25-30) with a host of GCSAA staffers closest to all the action. We talk with GCSAA's Jana Brown and Matt Brown about some of the changes and new innovations that will be front-and-center in Orlando (3:29). We dive i…
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