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System of Systems

Adam Lehrer and Will Samson

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"You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no Third Worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petrodollars, electro- dollars, multi-dollars, Reichsmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the ...
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Shortly before Adam's journey to Japan, he and Matthew discuss two trashy arthouse thrillers from the past and present: Ingmar Bergman's 1980 made for TV movie From the Life of the Marionettes and Rose Glass' 2024 bodybuilding lesbian romance thriller Love Lies Bleeding. From the Life of the Marionettes is a disturbing slow burn of a masterpiece – …
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Dune: Part 2, Denis Villeneuve's second half of his adaptation of Frank Herbet's sci-fi masterpiece Dune, is out. It's huge. Everyone has an opinion. So do we. Dr. Benjamin Braddock and Mommy Milkers join the show to discuss the film. SOUNDTRACK: Herbie Hancock "Watermelon Man" Reverend Bizarre "In the Victory of" John Frusciante "God" UGK "Pocket …
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A week before the opening of her exhibition the Pond Society in Shanghai, artist Emma Stern discusses her work, porn, ABBA and the creation of avatars. Matthew Denicola is the new producer and co-host of SOS by SP. We thank Will Samson for his two years of work Soundtrack Y$ "Back to Me" Controlled Bleeding "Fat Bird Curd" Blue Cheer "Out of Focus"…
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Conceptual artist, musician, and founding member of iconic NYC power electronics group Final Solution, Edward Giles, joins the Safety Propaganda network. The primary topic is the reissue of Edward's industrial project Helltown Inc on former guest Max Julian Eastman's label. The release not only comes with hours of music, art inserts and otherwise, …
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Regularly referred to as "The most famous Nordic Artist since Edvard Munch," painter, sculptor, filmmaker and installation artist Bjarne Megaard joins the audiocast to dish on decades in the art world. Topics covered: Bjarne's new film Barney Does it All based on his time as a whore in Sydney, his interview with porno actress Rae Lil Black in the n…
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Yorgos Lanthimos has not been a preferred filmmaker of the Safety Propaganda universe. Too self-consciously "weird". Too Letterboxd. His new film Poor Things, starring Emma Stone in a virtuosic performance as a young woman with the brain of an infant, is a comic masterpiece. Based on a story by surrealist Scottish author Alsadair Gray, 'Poor Things…
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Kanye is trying to release a new record, Vultures, with Ty Dolla $ign, and his enemies are refusing to get its samples cleared, leaving the record unreleased. Kanye, of course, isn't staying quiet about what's happening behind the scenes, and treated the world to a 15 minute rant against his many enemies, ranging from LVMH CEO Bernard Arnaut, the R…
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At the end of November, friends of SP Newton Gallery hosted an exhibition of paintings and cartoons by American artist Stephen Tunney. Many of those in attendance likely had no idea that these disorienting, vivid, and fantastical images were made by the same Stephen Tunney behind the indie rock solo project Dogbowl. When Stephen plugged his guitar …
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We are now a few weeks passed the 2023 Mr. Olympia contest. Bodybuilding seems to have reached its pinnacle, with Phil Heath being the champion who set the standard for what a bodybuilder should look like in the 2010s. Since then, conditioning has gone down hill, no one is getting in shape, and the one guy who does get in shape (Nick Walker) was in…
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Boul God records is a Philadelphia-based bizarre music label that traffics in all manner of surreal and mind-bending contemporary styles of music. From the cavernous, early Death in June influenced post-punk/neofolk of Gorseddd FM, to the disorienting blend of head fucked techno and garbled BM vocals of Grail Wizard, to the brutal and frightening e…
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Artist, musician, academic, and member of legacy American experimental band ONO Conor Tomaka joins the show once more, but with a specific purpose this time around. John Frusciante is already a God-level figure in the oeuvre of Safety Propaganda, but this time we are going back to the virtuoso guitarist of the Chili Peppers and experimental solo ar…
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Montana's most avant-garde good ol' boy and the editor of the magazine American Vulgaria, Ryan Simón, joins the show to discuss him and Adam's adventures in Los Angeles, Terry Richardson, art history as a history of cooming, and the circumstances and horniness that led to the creation of his magazine. SOUNDTRACK: Home Blitz "Home" Christ Agony "Inc…
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Dan Baltic, writer and co-host of the New Write podcast, releases his debut novel Nutcrankr for Terrorhouse Press. It is a contemporary novel about masculinity and male delusion; one man's plummet into debasement. Baltic joins the show to discuss the novel, masculinity, cope, writing, classic rock, some other stuff, I can't remember. FULL EPISODE H…
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Adam has been re-reading David Keenan's historical biography on the rise of Industrial Music, England's Hidden Riverse, after it was re-published with extended material over the summer. That book primarily looks at the rise and legacies of Coil, Nurse with Wound, and Current 93 (and suspiciously, only passingly mentions Douglas Pearce and Death in …
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Writer Alex Kazemi wrote his first novel, Your Truly, Brad Sela, back in 2013 when he was only 19-years-old. In a true time capsule of the 2010s, Alex published an excerpt of that manuscript on his Tumblr page, and it exploded. He got 132,000 views and signed a book deal with MTV Books. For whatever reason or another, the book didn't come out when …
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One of the greatest American film artists, William Friedkin, has passed away at the age of 87. The son of Ukrainian Jewish immigrant parents (who fled their country after the antisemitic pogroms of the early 20th Century), Friedkin was a shitty student and a great basketball player until he discovered cinema in the '60s. He then rose from a Hollywo…
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Celebrated novelist and essayist Walter Kirn, author of works of fiction like Up in the Air and non-fiction such as Lost in the Meritocracy and veteran of major media outlets ranging from GQ to Esquire to Vanity Fair and beyond, has seen his place in the media landscape evolve in the last few years since he was early to recognize the truth about th…
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Scott Litts is a New York-based writer, linked tangentially to Expat Press who also publishes a literary site called Violence Café. While the reason for this discussion was Scott's excellent piece on the Angelicism01 movie, Film01, we ended up discussing drugs and writing far more. FULL EPISODE Links: Follow Scott on Twitter: @cafeviolenza Scott on…
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Jack Skelley is a writer and a poet that has been publishing books since the 1980s. His career began in the early '80s in LA when he worked at the Venice-based literary and arts center Beyond Baroque. Beyond Baroque was put on the map by Dennis Cooper who created a scene around it that included late poet and performance artist Bob Flanagan, the lat…
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Damen Corrado is a Chicago-based writer and actor with old school links to Adam Parfrey and the broader American underground. In 2019, the late Parfrey's Feral House publishing imprint published a book co-written by Damen and James "Jinx" O'Connor. Entitled Compliments of Chicagohoodz: "A rare, private collection of photos, calling cards, and ephem…
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Writers Audrey Szasz and Thomas Moore have both just released new novels for Philip Best's Amphetamine Sulphate. Audrey's novel is called Counterillumination, a wildly psychedelic collection of prose where agents and counter-agents wage psychological warfare upon one another against an abstract dystopic landscape. It's rather hard to describe so I …
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Artist Sven Loven joins Adam in his living room where they consume edibles and discuss Sven's new show, 'Humiliation Ritual', at No Gallery in New York. For the exhibition, Sven turned to portraiture and creates a time capsule, or perhaps a capsule of a moment in which time has lost meaning, of the Dimes Square meme. Subjects include: Black Dean Ki…
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Max Julian Eastman is a noise musician known for recording music under his own name and with projects like Greathumour and Tantric Death as well as the proprietor of what we consider to be one of the best American noise labels currently in existence. In contra to countless other labels that endlessly put out everything that comes out of "the scene"…
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Our friend from Los Angeles, the curator of the new LA gallery Imperial as well as online editor of Caesura Magazine Grant Tyler, joins the show to discuss the inability of the modern subject to properly look at art, the genius of Cezanne, Giacometti, Cy Twombly, the most consequential historical pinpoints of the last 50 years, the art world after …
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During Art Basel Miami Beach 2022, Hadrian Belove asked Adam to meet up with him at Soho House, where he was with two young ladies Eva and Elena Sullivan. When Adam arrived, he was immediately taken with the gals' intelligence and savvy. Turns out, Eva and Elena are fashion designers behind the new brand Sullivan, which creates beautiful and elegan…
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Around August of 2022, Adam opened up his email to find what was a message of profound encouragement, and could hardly believe it when it was addressed from "William Patrick Corgan," otherwise known as the frontman of Adam's first ever favorite band The Smashing Pumpkins. But that's exactly who it was. Billy had read Adam's 2021 book 'Communions' a…
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Friend of the show and visual artist Tom Koehler brings Adam into his studio in Ridgewood, shows him some new landscape paintings, and discusses his art, the gallery that he runs, plastic surgery, weed paranoia, quitting nicotine, and even his stint as a member of the power electronics group Sharpwaist. Dig on it... SOUNDTRACK: Sharpwaist "Amyl Nit…
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What started as a Substack and a podcast but became a prolonged conceptual art project IS NOW a full-circuit multimedia assault! Making good on his promise to broaden Safety Propaganda's reach, Adam launches SAFETY PROPAGANDA RECORDS in more attempts to aesthetically unbrainwash the masses. Text, image and NOW SOUND to break the programming and see…
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Artist/philosopher/mathematician Eric Schmid and artist, researcher, and member of industrial music collective Ono Connor Tomaka join SOS by SP. We discuss Connor and Eric's recent collaborative essay on Dimes Square, in my mind the only one of many Dimes thinky pieces to get it right, as well as the connections between mathematics and art, Reza, B…
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Cliff Sargent runs the very popular Youtube literary show Better than Food where he offers his candid thoughts on the books he reads. He has excellent taste, and is capable of communicating his thoughts in a refreshingly legible manner: Bataille, Clarice Lispector, Cormac McCarthy and even Adam have all been reviewed on his show (and his influence …
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Marika Thunder is a New York-based artist who befriended the crew somewhere during the pandemic. Here, her and Adam discuss heroin, hard drugs, creative development, and Marika regales him with tales of her bohemian childhood as the only daughter of visual artist Rita Ackermann and experimental musician David Nuss... OST: Spike in Vain "God on Drug…
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In this episode, brothers in arms Adam, Will, artist Bradford Kessler and Rare Candy co-host Glen Rockney convene to discuss Nicolas Winding Refn's new six-hour Netflix series Copenhagen Cowboy, and the broader career arc of the Danish auteur. Other topics include feminism, bodybuilding, Friedkin,Spengler, and I don't remember what else. Love. Hate…
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Around August of 2022, Adam opened up his email to find what was a message of profound encouragement, and could hardly believe it when it was addressed from "William Patrick Corgan," otherwise known as the frontman of Adam's first ever favorite band The Smashing Pumpkins. But that's exactly who it was. Billy had read Adam's 2021 book 'Communions' a…
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Old friend, colleague within the Counter-Agency of the Avant-Garde, and editor of Morbid Books Lev Parker stops by SOS by SP once more to discuss collaborating with Adam on the Morbid Books-published Safety Propaganda Manifesto for Conceptual Warfare. There is also much discussion about the absolute collapse of competence in the modern world, and t…
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The men of Art of Darkness podcast, Brad Kelly and Kevin Kautzman, join Adam to discuss Kanye and the legacy of endurance based performance art, the appeal of performance enhancing drugs, the late playwright Sarah Kane, Emil Cioran and the upcoming third season of their show. FULL EPISODE HERE SOUNDTRACK: Outpatients "TV Violence" Big Flame "Debra"…
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Old friend Glen of Rare Candy and Back Wall pods joins us once again to further stuff the digital void with some more content: Balenciaga, pedos, Kanye. You know the drill. Soundtrack: Hunting Lodge "Shadow out of TIme" Seigneur Voland "Ma Necropole" Kevin Coyne "Eastbourne Ladies" Tav Falco Panther Burns "Bourgeois Blues" Bone Crusher "Never Scare…
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Friend, artist, and the lone homosexual attendee of Adam's bachelor party Kevin Tobin joins SOS by SP. We discuss his current solo show at Lubov Gallery, his unique marital situation, art world lore, and the absolute worst in contemporary painting. SOUNDTRACK: Die Kombination "Leibenbluster" Normil Hawaiians "Martin" Ectomorph "In Dreams" Eric's Tr…
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Enlisting the incendiary voices of old friends Filthy Armenian, of Filthy Armenian's Adventures and the Back Wall, and Jack Mason, of the Perfume Nationalist, the conversation turns towards the formerly retired pop cultural trope that is the damaged blonde, once again alive and well! Two of the most discussed cultural artifacts right now revive the…
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Adam has returned from his travels abroad. To inaugurate the return of System of Systems by Safety Propaganda, artist Zach Brown joins the show to discuss his work, his time at RISD, pussy, travel, Melrose Place, Vince Gilligan, ancient Greece and more. FULL EPISODE HERE SOUNDTRACK: Beat Happening "You Turn me On" Bruno Cossano "Violent Desire" Nat…
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Adam speaks with American harsh noise master Worth, aka William Van Gorder, who has a new record on White Centipede Noise called Sacred Violence Noise. Will recorded the album while on residency in Thailand, and throughout the conversation relays the experiences he had there and in his Southeast Asia journey more broadly. What is it like to make no…
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In 1978, UK industrial and experimental music pioneers Nurse With Wound, then a collaborative effort between multiple musicians before Steven Stapleton would turn the project into his braintrust some years later, released its debut album Chance Meeting on a Dissecting Table of a Sewing Machine and an Umbrella. That record, the title of which refere…
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A long anticipated episode, Adam and crew delve into the history and culture of black metal, enlisting the help of metalhead Psyop Resistor. The crew explains how they came to find intrigue in the genre, and then dive into some of their favorite and most evil albums of the canon. FULL EPISODE SOUNDTRACK: (Psyop's pick) Vothana "Vi Muon Tra Thuo" (A…
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JJ Ruiz is an Austin-based musician who has played with several punk and hardcore bands since the 2000s. With one of those bands, Naw Dude, he opened for Anal Cunt. In this episode, he relays his stories about AC's late iconic frontman and one of the greatest American performance artists of the last two decades Seth Putnam. This episode is all abou…
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Writer, Hyperidean Press publisher, and Adam's editor Udith Dematagoda joins the show once more. This time we're discussing the cultural resonance of Fight Club over 25 years down the line, and the importance of revolutionary violence to the masculine psyche. Other topics include the mindblowing year for American indie film that was 1999, Ukraine, …
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Writer and co-host of the Art of Darkness podcast Brad Kelly is here. Brad's writing plays with the genre of sci-fi and pushes it to the outer realms of the weird, as evinced by his latest novel 'House of Sleep' from 2021. Here we discuss that novel, sci-fi, Phillip K. Dick, and more, as well as the opioid epidemic, Jim Jones and the People's Templ…
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Prior to the day of our independence, Adam calls up his friend, the artist from Detroit and soon to move to New York Madeline Kuzak. Maddie works in painting and illustration, as well as performance and more conceptual driven work. When Adam introduced his theory of Crytographic Transgressive art in in Amphetamine Sulphate's 'Human Rights' antholog…
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Adam and Will are joined by New York-based artist and tattooer Will Sheldon. Will discusses his work with us: paintings and drawings of fantastical and fairy tale imagery but with a uniquely troubling and dark iteration fitting for our times. Will is also a tattooer and in contra to others working between the art world and tattoo culture (others ty…
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In this episode, Adam and Will are joined by the writers and co-hosts of the Agitator podcast, J. David Osborne and Kelby Losack. Both of these honorable men have new book projects out. Kelby's new novel is 'Letting out the Devils'. And David's new book is a hallucinatory essay called 'You Pray for Dry Weather at the Sight of the Sun'. We discuss t…
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