A Pastor explores Christianity through the beauty of wine. Interviews with leaders in both Christianity and the wine industry.
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After their time as philosophy undergrads gorging on cheap wine and bread, co-hosts cosima bee concordia and Aurora Laybourn reunite almost a decade later for Drunk Church, a podcast haunting the liminal spaces between anti-fascist theory and religious eroticism. Named for a gathering of queers where art, drink, and communion were shared outside of the confines of formal institutions, Drunk Church seeks to transgress, subvert, and blaspheme the religious for our own pleasure and thriving. In ...
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Welcome back to another episode of Cabernet and Pray. Today, we pause our usual schedule to address a deeply personal and pressing topic that challenges many families: mental health. Our host, Jeremy Jernigan, explores a video of John MacArthur to dissect and debate the contentious views circulating within the Christian community about mental illne…
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Disarming Leviathan (with Caleb Campbell)
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As we uncork the 20th episode of Cabernet and Pray, I'm joined by Caleb Campbell, not just to relish in our shared love for a fine Cabernet Sauvignon but to unpack the complexities of Christian nationalism. Caleb, a pastor and author, brings his upcoming book "Disarming Leviathan: Loving your Christian Nationalist Neighbor" to the table, serving up…
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Pour yourself a glass and settle in as we embark on a journey through the peaks and valleys of life with unwavering gratitude. I'll pull back the curtain on the heart-wrenching journey my wife and I have navigated after a startling genetic revelation. With the discovery of her BRCA2 gene mutation, we've faced the specter of cancer with courage and …
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Embracing a Different Path (with Nate Ross)
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There's something magical about reconnecting with an old friend who’s walked a similar path, and that's exactly what unfolds when Nate Ross joins me for a soul-stirring exploration of faith, parenting, and personal growth. As fellow pastor's sons turned pastors, we traverse the memories of our past, from Nate's transformative years in the Midwest t…
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From Stoic Thought to Christian Action (with Mike Austin)
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When minds converge over the profound intersections of philosophy and the Christian faith, revelations emerge. Mike Austin, a philosophy professor with a deft touch in character development and spiritual formation, joins me to unravel the tapestry of truth that philosophies like Stoicism weave with Christianity. Our conversation extends beyond the …
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Laughing at the Absurdity (with Rob Bell)
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We sit down with the ever-inspiring Rob Bell, whose journey from founding Mars Hill Bible Church to penning New York Times bestsellers has captivated the minds and hearts of many. Rob's latest fictional escapade lures us into a world that mirrors our own, prompting self-reflection and an adventurous examination of the societal constructs that shape…
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Bimbo Theory: A Gender Maximalist Guide to Having It All
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We’re not like other girls… Join us for our most recent episode as we offer a critical re-evaluation of the figure of the bimbo and deconstruct societal preconceptions of femininity at large through our own cosima bee concordia’s essay “My Official Bimbo Diagnosis”. With our two remaining brain cells we ponder, why does everyone seem to hate femini…
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Honor and Prepare (with Keith Saarloos)
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When Keith Saarloos swapped apple rows for vineyard vines, little did he know he'd be uncorking a legacy along with his bottles of 2021 Mayhem Grenache. As we sit down, glasses in hand, Keith takes us through the transformation of Saarloos and Sons, revealing how a family farm evolved into a vineyard with deep respect for tradition and terroir. Thr…
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French Winemaking and Spiritual Discovery (with Nicholas Martin)
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Embark with us as we weave through the tapestry of France's rich vinicultural narrative alongside Nicholas Martin, a vintner whose stories are as robust as his Grenache Blanc. Picture yourself nestled in the picturesque Languedoc region, where every sip uncovers layers of heritage and innovation. We kick things off with a New Jersey Concord grape-b…
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Returning to Eden (with Heather Hamilton)
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As we pop the cork on a bottle of conversation with Heather Hamilton, bestselling author of "Returning to Eden," our glasses aren't the only full things—our hearts and minds brim with insights into the ever-evolving journey of faith. Heather brings us her compelling story of transformation, from a rigid adherence to literal belief to an expansive e…
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The Sacred Pause (with Libby Tedder Hugus)
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Reverend Libby Tedder Hugus and I have woven together the deep complexities of spirituality and wine's rich narratives. This episode is a tapestry of our life journeys, where Libby's roots in South Africa and the U.S. intertwine with her calling to forge a radically inclusive spiritual community. Together, we unpack the transformative power of gene…
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The Death of Omnipotence (with Thomas Jay Oord)
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Join our thought-provoking journey with Dr. Thomas Jay Oord, where long-held Christian beliefs are questioned and reenvisioned. As we unravel the fabric of traditional theology, Dr. Oord introduces us to a divine love that's deeply relational and a God whose lack of omnipotence takes on a new, groundbreaking definition. We share anecdotes, sip our …
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Questioning Conventional Living (with Jef Caine)
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Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Cabernet and Pray, where a glass of wine meets deep conversations. In the spotlight this time is Jef Caine, an intriguing personality who's journeyed from the confinements of traditional Christianity to the liberating realms of spirituality and non-materialism. Jef, living in a van and embracing vegan…
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Sipping on Social Issues and Spirituality (with Danielle Strickland)
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Pour yourself a glass, and prepare to savor an enticing blend of faith, creativity, and life's joys with a hint of pressing social issues. We were thrilled to invite the remarkable Danielle Strickland to our table, an author, speaker, and self-proclaimed 'Ambassador of Fun.' With her latest book, "The Other Side of Hope," and podcast, "The Right Si…
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Defending Democracy from Its Christian Enemies (with David Gushee)
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Pour a glass of wine and pull up a chair. Our latest conversation with esteemed guest, Dr. David P. Gushee, carries us through a fascinating journey into the intersections of faith, ethics, and politics. A seasoned scholar, Dr. Gushee unpacks the implications of Christian authority within the political landscape while interrogating how power dynami…
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Rethinking Love and Grief (with Jonathan Foster)
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Can love be redefined through understanding mimetic theory? Find out as we chat with Jonathan Foster, a multi-faceted father, husband, writer, and former church planter. He shares his unique insights on mimetic theory and how it can shape our approach of understanding culture and religion. We dive into the enticing world of open and relational theo…
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Spectres of Ableism: A Halloween Special!
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We are at most only temporarily able-bodied and minded. While we may live our lives more or less aware of our relationship with disability and while we may experience different periods of health and illness, the fact that we are all pre-disabled is an immutable aspect of the human condition. For our second annual Drunk Church Halloween Special we e…
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Ready to set sail on a unique journey through the world of Christianity, wine, and pirates? We promise you'll gain a fresh perspective on faith as we uncork a delectable 2015 Chateau Monteil D’Arsac Bordeaux blend, discuss the creation of pirates, and delve into the theology of being on the edge of the inside. This unconventional voyage is sure to …
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Everything is Possible and Nothing is True: Mia Khalifa, Fake News, Free Speech, and the Hope for a Free Palestine
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This is a special mini episode, driven by the immediacy of the horrors happening right now in the Gaza Strip. Mia Khalifa, controversial public figure and Lebanese ex-porn star, was publicly reprimanded and fired last week by Playboy for her "disgusting actions"—a.k.a. voicing solidarity with the Palestinian people in their struggle for liberation …
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The Sadness: You Always Hurt the One You Love (TEASER)
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This is a teaser--to access the full episode on an patron only-RSS feed, sign up at our Patreon. What if you became a zombie, but instead of becoming a mindless brain eater you find that you're exactly the same except for a new and uncontrollable urge to commit the most unspeakably horrific things you can imagine? What if you found yourself revelin…
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Ever wonder how a wine hobby could transform into a thriving business? My conversation with Clayton Steffen uncovers his intriguing journey into the wine world, the joy he finds in introducing others to new varieties, and the challenges he faces in this industry. We also walk you through our collective journey of tasting a variety of exquisite wine…
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Moving Beyond the Medium (with Mike Goldsworthy)
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Picture this; you're leading a megachurch and suddenly, you decide to make a shift. A shift from preaching to coaching, from the pulpit to facilitating high-capacity leaders. This is the intriguing journey of Mike Goldsworthy, our guest for this episode and the founder of Live Contrarian. Mike shares his experiences, from being a lead pastor to tra…
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God, Grapes, and Grit (with Chad Preston)
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Ever been curious about the fascinating world of winemaking? Then strap in for an inspiring journey with Chad Preston, the founder of Birds and Barrels Vineyards and partner in Cochise Wine Company. From being a wine enthusiast during his college days to now standing at the helm of a flourishing vineyard in Wilcox, Chad's story is one of passion, f…
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Start With the Feet, Not the Head (with Tyler Johnson)
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In this episode, I talk with my friend Tyler Johnson. Until recently, Tyler was the Lead Pastor of a ten-congregation multisite church. He recently decided to step away from that and is now a spiritual and social entrepreneur entering into the marketplace. He's a man of many convictions and recently started a business called “The Human Element.” We…
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Get ready to uncork your understanding! This week on Cabernet and Pray, we're swirling together two unlikely passions - Christianity and wine. We'll be sipping on a 2017 Sokol Blosser Big Tree Block Pinot Noir and unraveling the wisdom of Richard Bohr as we savor the intricate connection between God, wine, and life. Life, much like winemaking, is f…
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Playing with Fire: Ethical Sadism & the Draw to Overwhelm (Part III on Avgi Saketopoulou's "Sexuality Beyond Consent")
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Given the failures of affirmative consent, how can we develop a better more nuanced framework that both embraces the messiness of sex and attends to the ways in which intimacy makes us uniquely vulnerable? What is the insatiable will that drives us to seek 'more and more' in our intimate encounters and aesthetic experiences? In what ways does play …
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Possession: The Anatomy of a Breakup and The Dissolution of the Family (Free Version)
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This is the free teaser—to get access to the whole hour and a half bonus version, go to our Patreon and sign up at "Getting Tipsy with the Lord" or higher. Andrzej Żuławski’s fever dream “Possession”—quite certainly the most extraordinary breakup film ever made—serves as our subject for today’s bonus episode, and we invite you to join us as we are …
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To Suffer Pleasure: Opacity and Self Making (Part II on Avgi Saketopoulou's "Sexuality Beyond Consent")
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Diving into our second segment in our series on Avgi Saketopoulou’s “Sexuality Beyond Consent: Risk, Race, Traumatophilia”, we take you through the first chapter: "To Suffer Pleasure: Limit Experience and Transgression". What is the nature between desire and disgust? Where does perversity first arise, and what does it mean to seek experiences of ov…
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An Exquisite Slap: Introducing Avgi Saketopoulou’s "Sexuality Beyond Consent"
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We are thrilled to present our first episode of a series working through Avgi Saketopoulou’s brilliant “Sexuality Beyond Consent: Risk, Race, Traumatophilia”—a text so meaty that this episode does not make it past its introduction. In the vein of Oliver Davis and Tim Dean’s “Hatred of Sex” that we covered last season, “Sexuality Beyond Consent” spe…
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Radfems, Transsexuals, & the Youth: A Proverbial Discourse Grab-bag (Free Version)
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For this episode we do something a little different, going through some of the hottest subjects of discourse of the current moment as a way to review lots of the major themes we've covered in Drunk Church so far. Honoring our Villain Arc, we talk generational divides, the ludicrousness of a "Trans Inclusive" Radfem, overall rise in fascistic sentim…
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Trauma & Taboo: The Unspeakability of Sexual Violation
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Continuing with our Season 2 Villain Arc, we examine the vilification of victims and the gridlock of taboos that surround sexual violation through a discussion of our very own Aurora Laybourn’s original work “Cavarero’s Repugnance: Naming Sexual Violence”. Building from a critique of Adriana Cavarero’s "Horrorism", Aurora argues that the repugnance…
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Drunk Church returns victoriously for the start of our second season with “Trigger Warning: A Holiday Special!”, our festive conversation on violation, power, desire, fantasy, patriarchy, and the ambiguity of trauma's uncontrollable nature centered on Paul Verhoeven’s fabulous Christmas film “Elle”. Get cozy and snuggle up with a cup of hot coco, a…
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This free version of the review is a shortened version of our full episode, which is available to all subscribers on their patron-exclusive RSS feed. You can sign up to our patreon to get access to exclusive content and help keep the show going here For today's sermon we talk about "Secretary" starring Maggie Gyllenhaal and James Spader, a film tha…
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The Horror of Desire: A Halloween Special!
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How is it that desire, when taken to its conclusion, curdles into horror? For our Halloween Special, we linger with two transgressive erotic BDSM novels—first, with Pauline Réage's classic "Story of O" and then with its provocative leatherdyke echo in Jane DeLynn's "Leash"—to see the ways that our desire has the power to undo us. We have explored b…
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Dangerous Sex & The Empire of Trauma
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For our grand finale to this four part series on "Hatred of Sex" we investigate the ways that attempts to subsume sex into neat and tidy identiy categories inevitably tighten bureaucracies of risk. These administrative processes police sex at the margins, while simultaneously letting sexual abuse run rampant as long as it happens within appropriate…
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Ordering Desire, Unbound Perversions
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In our penultimate discussion on "Hatred of Sex", we do something literally no one in the history of the world has done before: we call Freud problematic!! That being said, we also look at how Davis and Dean's brilliant take of Freud's concept of the unconscious degenitalizes and unbinds sex, allowing pleasure to move around the body in ways that d…
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Not Just To Come, But To Come Undone
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Having shown how hatred of sex is endemic to sex itself, in our second discussion of “Hatred of Sex” we trace some of the most influential thinkers today to show where our contemporary discourses on queerness has gotten us. Starting with Gayle Rubin’s thinking of sex that decoupled it from feminism's framework of gender and gender oppression, we lo…
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Today we present the first part of our discussion of the polemic “Hatred of Sex”, exploring how our hatred of sex (like hatred of democracy!) is endemic to the structure of sex itself, and exists in the “open minded” and “sex-positive” just as within the Puritanical and conservative. As a psychoanalytic companion to Bataille’s erotocism, we look ho…
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Nietzsche said "God is dead"—now so is the Goddess. Through a reading of Donna Haraway's fabulous "Cyborg Manifesto", we delve into what it means to write, speak, and live knowing that there is no originary or objective meaning to draw from. We look at how blaspheming against systems of thought means to take them seriously, even as we confuse their…
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TEASER for Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom Review
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We watched “Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom” and are confronted with the infinite horrors of fascism and the ways we are all made complicit in them. While discussing this grotesque indictment, we also delve into gay leftist director Pier Paolo Pasolini's writings and the mystery surrounding his murder that occurred just a few weeks before the film p…
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Finishing off our discussion of fascism through essays from "Leatherfolk" that complicate the problem of desire, and use that to move onto contemporary queerness to look at how homonationalism and homonormativity haunts the discourse on all sides. How is it that such deeply regressive notions are laundered into our understandings of queer and trans…
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Now that we have delved into the nature of desire and erotocism, we follow the death drive into the abyss to stare directly into its most horrific product: that of fascism itself. Through a critique of Susan Sontag's essay "Fascinating Fascism", we look at the ways that fascist ideology and art insidiously operates, and ultimately how the aesthetic…
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The Insolent Saint of the Chasm (Part III)
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To exist against and NOT with. This does not suppress joy but exalts it, it is not despair but immense hope. Today we deliver you the finale of our three-part close reading of the work and life of Laure (also known as Colette Peignot)—masochist, poet, revolutionary, and the only female member of the secret society Acéphale—dying in Bataille's home …
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The Insolent Saint of the Chasm (Part II)
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Imagine a bullfight for you alone. Today we deliver you the middle of our three-part close reading of the work and life of Laure (also known as Colette Peignot)—masochist, poet, revolutionary, and the only female member of the secret society Acéphale—dying in Bataille's home at the age of thirty-five as the forgotten author of many of the best idea…
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Listen to the teaser for our second bonus episode—a deep dive into "Mad God", Phil Tippett's sacred and profane practical effects masterpiece thirty years in the making. We discuss fluids, industrialism, solidarity (or lack thereof), sacrificing actual children on the altar of the Child, and more—alongside some asides like confusing "organ" and "Or…
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What does it mean to give yourself completely and honestly? Today we start our three-part close reading of the work and life of Laure (also known as Colette Peignot)—masochist, poet, revolutionary, and the only female member of the secret society Acéphale—dying in Bataille's home at the age of thirty-five as the forgotten author of many of the best…
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Christian Mysticism & The Philosopher of Holes
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We push even further into our esteemed Philosopher of Holes Georges Bataille, especially in regards to how his concept of religious erotocism can be understood with and against the embodied experiences of the Christian Mystics through the work of Amy Hollywood. We talk suckling from holy wounds, the feminized Jesus, novel insertions, foundational r…
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For our first bonus episode, we dive into our review of the newest glorious kinky nun movie: Paul Verhoven's Benedetta. Among other things, we discuss martyrdom, miracles, femme twink Jesus, and that Virgin Mary qua dildo. Get access to full bonus episodes, an exclusive RSS feed, and more by subscribing our Patreon! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/p…
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For our introductory sermon, we talk about Bataille's concept of religious eroticism, getting wasted as philosophy students, the value of taboo and rejecting gay respectability, whether or not we would be Judas for each other, transsexual embodiment, the pain of academia, encroaching fascism, leatherdyke ritual, and much more! Join us and get drunk…
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"Welcome to Drunk Church! Come drink the blood of God with us! "I'm cosima bee concordia," "and my name is Aurora Laybourn—" Episode I: Welcome to Drunk Church coming mid-July Song is "Bless You" by the Ink Spots Get access to full bonus episodes, an exclusive RSS feed, and more by subscribing our Patreon! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy fo…
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