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Screaming into the Hollywood Abyss

Noah Evslin and Dan Rutstein

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Behind the glitz and glamor, Hollywood can be brutal. For every success, there are many more rejections and failures. Screaming into the Hollywood Abyss explores that world and each week a new guest will talk about dealing with rejection, failure and adversity in the entertainment industry. Writer Noah Evslin and podcaster Dan Rutstein ask the questions.
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Inclusion Talks

Cindy McDougall and Dan Lonergan

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Dan Lonergan introduces a new podcast, co-hosted by Cindy McDougall a leading volunteer in all abilities and para-sports for little Athletics Victoria, who has a story to tell herself. A mother of 7 with 5 children on the spectrum, all of whom have forged excellent junior athletics careers themselves- Cindy opens up about life and the challenges of being a mother of children on the spectrum. Sponsored by Aussie Home Loans https://www.aussie.com.au
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What an episode! We talk to TV legend Frank Cardea about his decades in the business. He tells us about his move from accountancy to producing, the extraordinary longevity of his writing partnership and working on more than 400 episodes of NCIS. We hear some great examples of failure, some great examples of success and also some great examples of l…
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We talk to Michael Rauch. He starts with an extraordinary film school firing, then a late-night 'show being un-picked up' call and how he recovered from those early career setbacks. He tells us about his casting frustrations, managing multiple projects, and what he learned from great showrunners. An excellent episode full of brilliant anecdotes.…
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We talk to the fascinating Mark Goffman. He tells us about swapping real Government speech writing at the State Department for writing on the West Wing, some extraordinary career luck and ventriloqism documentaries. Mark talks about the importance of giving people a voice in a room, the importance of working with good people repeatedly and the impo…
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We speak to the legendary John Wirth. He talks about a Hollywood career so long that he can't even remember all of the shows he has run, the shows he has been fired from and arguing with actors who hadn't won Emmys. He talks about managing upwards, 'run money' and an extraordinary argument with talent about trust. A remarkable episode with a remark…
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We talk to the extraordinary SJ Hodges. She talks about changing her name to a gender neutral one to get read, jumping from staff writer straight to show runner and what she learned from managing a literal car crash on The Player. Then SJ shares her personal journey of losing her husband to a brain tumour, what she did next and how she ended up bui…
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The podcast is back for the second half of season three and we have a cracker. Gary Whitta, writer of Book of Eli and Rogue One gives an extraordinary interview about his transition from video game editor to writer, working on Star Wars and his frustrations with Hollywood. He gves us an extraordinary pig analogy, talks about the excitement and pres…
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After a long mid-season break, we are back up with the second half of Season Three of Screaming into the Hollywood Abyss. Noah and Dan talk about what they have been up to the last few weeks - Noah's show got cancelled! - and we thank our long-term partner Scriptation and then introduce tomorrow's episode with Rogue One writer Gary Whitta. This tas…
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Today’s guest is simulcast on both podcasts for Aussie home Loans inclusion Talks and dashing dan’s Olympic Adventures.Amanda Shalala is an esteemed sports broadcaster, journalist and producer with ABC TV Sport.She has covered four Paralympics including the winter games in Sochi and the Olympic Games in London and Paris this year.She will also cove…
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On Episode 12 of our Inclusion Talks Podcast, we welcome Sydney-based Wheelchair Athlete and Coach, Julie Charlton. Julie is a multiple international Australian Athletics Representative, having competed at the Commonwealth Games, Oceania Championships and the International Wheelchair and Amputee Sport Federation championships Turning her hand to co…
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This week, thanks to Aussie Home Loans, our Inclusion Talks Podcast welcomes Para Swimmer and former Able-Bodied Bodybuilder, Brooke Cotter. Brooke is a current multiple state record holder in Para swimming for her classification, she is also a proactive supporter of mental health awareness Brooke’s amazing determination to do her best, be her best…
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On Episode 10 of our Inclusion Talks Podcast for Aussie Home Loans and the team at Williamstown, We welcome Courtney Lewis. Courtney is an international Blind and Low Vision Cricketer and Tennis Player, Blind Footballer, (defender) She is also a former Para Cyclist, and Former Athletics National and World Record holder for her T13 classification. (…
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This week's question comes from Sara, a track and field runner from Illinois: "Hi Coach Dan, My name is Sarah Johnson, and I am a sophomore in college. I'm an aspiring track and field athlete from Springfield's bustling city. I'm reaching out to you because I've been encountering mental hurdles affecting my performance on the track. Lately, I've be…
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Today on Inclusion Talks we welcome grassroots administrator, Para/All Abilities inclusion in sport advocate and Albury Little Athletics Centre Secretary, Elisabeth Ryan. A passionate believer in the benefits of Para sports and also about how good officiating, governance and coaching can benefit athletes with a disability, we talk all things sport …
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Today on Inclusion Talks, thanks to Aussie Home Loans, we welcome Para Matilda and Paralympian Tamsin Colley, Tamsin is the current Australian Female Footballer of the Year and was the youngest Paralympic Athlete in Australia. Tamsin is a proud and passionate advocate for sports inclusion for people with a disability, giving much of her free time t…
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Today on our Inclusion Talks Podcast, we welcome Emma Mickle, an up-and-coming talented para cyclist, Emma’s life changed course after a horrific accident in 2020 left her paraplegic. We will talk about that accident, the journey to regain her career as a paramedic, the pathway to finding her freedom, and the resilience it took to find herself agai…
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Sponsored by Aussie Home Loans. www.aussie.com.au. Today on our Inclusion Talks episode we welcome Sarah Walsh, a dual Paralympian who achieved great results at both Rio and Tokyo Paralympics and is aiming for her 3rd Paralympic berth this August in Paris. Sarah is a multiple Australian international representative, a state medalist, and an athlete…
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Thanks to Aussie Home Loans. Today we welcome Ella Hose to our Inclusion Talks podcast, Ella is on track to be part of the Australian team for this year's Paralympics after already representing Australia at the 2023 World Para Championships, becoming the youngest-ever female representative at this event. Ella is a successful state and national thro…
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Brought to you by Aussie Home Loans (www.aussie.com.au) Liz Gosper is an inspiration, an international-level coach, and a strong and determined supporter of the benefits of para-sport and disability inclusion, Liz has spent the best part of 35 years trying to build inclusion to a point where every child has A chance to engage in the health and ment…
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Our first Oscar winner! For the last episode before our mid-season break we have Ed Swick on the show. He talks about his new book - Hits, Flops and Other Illusions. And we talk winning Oscars, writing truthful books about Hollywood and his extraordinary career. He tells us how the industry has changed, that films like the ones he made aren’t made …
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Episode 3 of Inclusion Talks with Dan Lonergan and Cindy McDougall introduces the incredible story of Katelyn Smith, captain and goalkeeper of the para Matilda's Katelyn has represented Australia in numerous sports, with the accolades too many to mention Today we hear about her journey, her plans and dreams, and her hopes for all abilities/para spo…
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Caytlyn Sharp, the daughter of co-host Cindy, is a former world champion T/F20 High Jumper who has represented Australia on four occasions. She has competed at all levels, from grassroots to elite, and she shares her journey and the challenges she has faced along the way. Thanks to Aussie Home Loans for their support. www.aussie.com.au…
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We talk to the fascinating Jim Mickle. He tells us about this start in independent movies, taking a break during the strike and the upcoming final season of Sweet Tooth. He explains how he got in to tv, becoming a showrunner and suffering from imposter syndrome and working in New Zealand during a pandemic. Jim talks about how hard and tiring being …
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Dan Lonergan introduces a new podcast, to be co-hosted by Cindy McDougall a leading volunteer in all abilities and para-sports for little Athletics Victoria, who has a story to tell herself. A mother of 7 with 5 children on the spectrum, all of whom have forged excellent junior athletics careers themselves- Cindy opens up about life and the challen…
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We talk to the fascinating Emily Fox who tells us about getting fired, trying to stuff a large chair into a car in the rain while in tears and the importance of connection in a writing room during a pandemic. She tells us about her shows getting cancelled due to a change of exec, being nice to people firing her and building bonds among colleagues. …
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We talk to Emmy-nominated writer and producer Wendy West. She talks about researching murder, her love of morgues and being the only woman in the room early in her career. Wendy talks about mentoring young female writers, supporting veterans and what it's like to work in the Dick Wolf world. She explains her path to success, her love of crossovers …
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We talk to Oscar and Emmy award nominee Eddie Schmidt. He talks about being comedy adjacent, his time in an improv troupe and how he moved into the showrunning part of Hollywood. We discuss leadership style, the fun of working in comedy and the demeaning comments of mean bosses. We talk about how to appreciate comedy, the complexities of navigating…
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In a slightly different style of episode we talk to comedian Ray Ellin. We discuss how social media has changed comedy, hear some magnificent failure anecdotes from comedy clubs and bars and talk through the process of creating comedy. Ray talks us through his love of live standup, working in tv and why he made a podcast about Little House on the P…
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We talk to Oscar-nominated writing partners Eric Johnson and Paul Tamasy, They talk about their fight to get the Fighter written, battling both the mob and Hollywood, the joy of an Oscar nomination and the slog of the promotional campaign. They talk about how they savour every moment of red carpets and parties, the importance of never giving up and…
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We talk to screenwriter Tom Vaughan who opens up about his Hollywood journey. He talks about his early career, the arrogance and refusal to take notes even from Disney and the mistakes he made. He talks candidly about being 'a drunk', how despite success he deservedly couldn't get people to work with him a second time and moving into teaching and t…
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We talk to the fascinating Matthew Carnahan. He tells us about his early work with Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg, why he didn't want to work in TV and how he broke in to that world. He talks passionately about choosing meaningful projects over money, the joys of a successful project and the anger at the death of that same project. Matt talks about…
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The One with 4-time Emmy winner Ted Cohen. We speak to Ted about his time on Friends, what’s it like to win an Emmy and how we coped after coming off Friends and spending ten years in the development wilderness. We talk about the switch from comedy to drama, writing for himself and getting on Veep. Then we hear about Succession, working on a game- …
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We talked to Head of Casting at Universal Content Productions, Steven O’Neill. He proudly talks about his work helping people achieve their dreams, how he fell in love with casting and what the pandemic did to change the process. He talks about how to deal with disagreements with showrunners, separating behaviour from performances and running into …
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We talk to legendary showrunner Cheo Hodari Coker. He talks about his journey from music journalist to writer, what he learned from the tough world of hip-hop and how he used those skills in Hollywood. Cheo talks about the similarities between running and writing, finding pockets of time to write and how screenwriting can be painful. He describes e…
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We speak to Keith Geller who talks us through his unscripted journey. We talk game shows versus docu-follows, shrinking budgets and higher expectations and picking only proven formats. He talks about his journey from Shakespeare to Wipeout, the role of social media and the changing attitudes towards mental health and crises. Keith talks pitching ne…
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We talk to the lovely Daniel Kunka, writer of Netflix number one movie Lift. We talk zombie apocalypses, impregnating wolves and the unlikely demise of a great script. He tells us about his 15 year gap between movies, writing for a female lead and ending up with Kevin Hart and how it feels to have the number one movie on a global steaming platform.…
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Back from the winter break and we have another 'case study' episode of the podcast. We talk to Marc Benardout and Hugh Broder, producers of He Went That Way, a new movie out tomorrow. They talk about working with Jacob Elordi and Zach Quinto, about dealing with the death of their director but also Marc's son during production and the 19-year journe…
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We talk to the effervescent Ashley Michel Hoban. She talks about the excitement for her new show coming out today, her journey from assistant to showrunner and what she learned along the way. She tells about self belief, imposter syndrome and how’s she’s expecting to feel tomorrow morning after tonight’s Dr Death Season 2 premiere. Ashley discussed…
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We speak to the excellent David Slack. We talk about how an independent movie failure led him to Hollywood, the path from animation to live action and getting fired from Law and Order. David tells us about the shows that didn’t make it, claiming unemployment and some of the poor behaviour that has gone on in Hollywood. We also cover post-strike exe…
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The day before his new movie hits 3000 theaters in 38 countries, we talk to the talented Adam Anders. He tells us about his transition from a very successful music career with shows like Glee to his 17 year journey to writing, producing, directing and songwriting for a Christmas family musical called Journey to Bethlehem. Adam talks about being cre…
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Must. Listen. Episode. We have the legend that it David Kirschner. He talks getting his break designing an album cover for Neil Diamond, pitching Steven Spielberg at his July 4th party and Hocus Pocus going from abject failure to cult classic. David explains the story of Hocus Pocus taking years to make, bombing and leaving him in tears and then gr…
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We talk to Jeremy Adams about his life in animation. He tells us about the difficulties animated writers face, how they are treated compared to TV writers and how hard it is to break out of the mould. Jeremy tells us about his successes, the sacrifices his family had to make and the irony of creating great work for little pay and then watching mill…
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We talk to the extraordinary Deborah Pratt. She tells us about how she got her break in Hollywood, her period of homelessness even after Quantum Leap and what she did to get her career back on track. Amazingly, we also cover a wide range of topics from Frank Sinatra to Airwolf to fan chat rooms. Deborah tells us about fighting against discriminatio…
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This season we seek to explore failure and rejection in different parts of Hollywood. We have Jordan Moblo, EVP IP Management and Creative Acquisitions of Universal Studio Group. He talks why he is plans to be an agent didn't work, the books that got away and how they try and treat the authors they work with. He explains how they set expectations f…
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We talk to the fantastic Lisa Morales. She tells us about crashing James Cameron's Hummer, her role as an executive and then giving that up to become a writer. She walks us through being fired for not being confident enough, imposter syndrome and rebuilding her confidence and her career. What she learned on her journey to being a showrunner, what s…
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We have the the amazing ‘Jewaiian’ twins who tell us about writing Moana, their early failures and why poetry didn’t pay the bills. They talk about representation in native Hawaiian storytelling, being down to their last 12 dollars and the emotionally challenging story of the making of Adrift. The twins explain how they celebrate success, how they …
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Season 3 Premiere We have legendary Simpsons showrunner Mike Scully on the show. He talks about being pigeon-holed as ‘Cartoon Boy’, losing out on an Emmy to the Rugrats Passover special and writing jokes for $25 for Yakov Smirnoff. He tells us about being accused of being a UN Observer for being so quiet in a writing room, having a show cancelled …
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We temporarily return from our mid-season break to hear from Burn It Down author Mo Ryan. She talks about writing her book, what she tried to achieve and her hopes for the industry. On her second podcast appearance she describes the toll writing a book like this takes, the chapters she didn't write and what she thinks about the future of Hollywood.…
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This week's question comes from Sarah, a swimmer from California: " My name is Sarah, and I am a swimmer from California. I am reaching out to you because I have been struggling with my pre-race anxiety. Swimming has always been a big part of my life, but lately, I have been getting really nervous before my races. I worry about messing up and disap…
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