Best Josey Hoff Podcasts (2024)

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Episode 28. Pivots and Recovery With Reshma Saujani, Founder of Girls Who Code and Moms First 30:26

27d ago30:26

30:26

We’re ending Season 2 with a bang! In this episode, Kate and Rhia are joined by Reshma Saujani, leading activist and the founder of Girls Who Code and Moms First, formerly Marshall Plan for Moms. Reshma has spent more than a decade building movements to fight for women and girls’ economic empowerment, most recently advocating for policies to suppor…

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Episode 27. Farewell Josey and Career Clarity 59:21

1M ago59:21

59:21

It’s Josey’s last episode as co-host of The Legal Burnouts, so Kate and Rhia bid her a fond farewell and learn more about why she’s leaving and her next steps. Josey opens up about her current burnout, which stems mainly from physical injuries she sustained over a year ago. Josey didn’t address the injuries at the time they happened due to a combin…

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Episode 26. Creating Your Own Spaces With Faridat Arogundade 1:15:22

1M ago1:15:22

1:15:22

This week, Kate and Rhia are joined by Rhia’s law school classmate Faridat Arogundade, a former Biglaw attorney who has created her own high-quality, plus-sized fashion line, Ìfẹ́mi. Faridat honestly and insightfully discusses her experience as a plus-sized Black woman in Biglaw and society in general. In her 8 years as a Biglaw attorney, Faridat …

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Episode 26. Changing Lanes With Kyle Kelly 42:40

2M ago42:40

42:40

In Kate and Josey’s final guest interview together, they talk with the man who inspired them to start The Legal Burnouts, Kyle Kelly. Kyle, a former digital forensics professional, worked at tiny companies like Salesforce and Coinbase before deciding to break off and create his own legal technology. He is now the CEO and founder of Zubu, the world’…

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Episode 25. Pregnancy, Parenting, and Entrepreneurship With Megan Senese 54:22

2M ago54:22

54:22

This week, Rhia and Kate speak to Megan Senese, cofounder of Stage, a women-owned legal marketing and business development firm that offers- among many other services- a free program to support working parents before and after parental leave. This program, called Courderoy, was partially inspired by Megan’s previous experience hiding her pregnancy …

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Episode 23. Infertility with Emily Petrich 37:20

3M ago37:20

37:20

Content warning: This episode contains discussions of infertility and miscarriage. In honor of National Infertility Awareness Week, Kate and Rhia are joined by fertility activist (and aspiring cyborg) Emily Petrich, who went from suffering through infertility in silence, to speaking out about her experience on social media, to becoming an activist …

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Episode 22. Crossover Episode With The Newfangled Lawyer 1:02:32

3M ago1:02:32

1:02:32

This week, in a very special episode, The Newfangled Lawyer (Patrick Patino) crosses over with The Legal Burnouts (Kate Bridal and Rhia Batchelder) to talk baked potatoes, burnout, and how to make the law a kinder profession. Patrick, Kate, and Rhia discuss unleashing themselves on social media, whether it’s possible to practice law in a way that a…

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Episode 21. The Enneagram With Enneagram Ashton 41:26

3M ago41:26

41:26

Josey and Kate’s dreams come true when they get to nerd out over the Enneagram with none other than Enneagram Ashton! Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober is a community psychologist, certified Enneagram educator, author, and Enneagram Type 2. She walks Kate (Type 3) and Josey (Type 5) through each Enneagram type and how burnout may manifest for them. The Enneagr…

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Episode 20. Triggers and Glimmers With Paula Liub 48:16

4M ago48:16

48:16

Kate and Rhia are joined by Paula Liub, an anti-burnout coach specifically for neurodivergent and highly sensitive women. Paula talks about grappling with burnout as a neurodivergent woman, her struggle to get a diagnosis, and how she came to her work promoting neurodivergent wellness. Paula uses a unique blend of science-backed and mindfulness tec…

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Episode 19. Nonlegal Lawyers With ex judicata 36:22

4M ago36:22

36:22

Kate and Rhia chat with Neil Handwerker and Kimberly Fine, founders of ex judicata, the only employment site specifically designed to help lawyers find nonlegal jobs. Lawyers are told that their law degrees will open all sorts of doors for them, but they often feel stuck and struggle to find suitable alternative careers. Kim and Neil saw this gap a…

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Episode 18. DEI Layoffs and That Alabama IVF Decision 36:41

4M ago36:41

36:41

This episode was originally supposed to be a discussion of recent DEI team layoffs, then a lighthearted career clarity session between Rhia and Kate. But when recording happened… that wasn’t the vibe. Instead of the career clarity portion, Josey, Kate, and Rhia grappled with their feelings around the recent IFV decision in Alabama. In what is maybe…

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Episode 17. Unlearning Toxic Perfectionism With Coach Jordana Confino 55:29

5M ago55:29

55:29

This week, Kate and Rhia are joined by Career Coach and recovering perfectionist, Jordana Confino. Jordana shares her high achiever origin story, from chasing achievement in high school, to law school at Yale, to a series of career choices that kept burning her out. She then shares how she used science-backed, positive psychology to go from debilit…

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Episode 16. Trans Rights, Elections, and Job Hunts, Oh My! With Vanessa Joy 42:11

5M ago42:11

42:11

This episode contains references to genocide, violence, and self-harm. Listener discretion is advised. On their first guest episode together, Kate and Rhia interview Vanessa Joy, champion of equality and communication, Host/Executive Producer of the Transcending Humanity podcast, and former political candidate (who also happens to be transgender). …

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Episode 15. Welcome Back, Barbie! 45:29

5M ago45:29

45:29

We’re baaaaack! In the Season 2 premiere Kate, Josey, and new cohost Rhia Batchelder nerd out about crosswords, logic games, and puzzles. Then they dive into that Jo Koy comment at the Golden Globes, Barbie’s Oscar snubs, and how those events reflect the burnout crisis among women.* *At the time of this recording, we hadn’t seen the news about the …

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Episode 14. Bonus Episode: Kate and Josey Play the Newlywed Game 30:26

9M ago30:26

30:26

We know we said we were done, but we couldn’t end a season with 13 episodes. It’s too spooky. So in honor of Halloween, Kate and Josey got together in Seattle for a special bonus episode. Dressed as best friends Keeley and Rebecca from Ted Lasso, Kate and Josey were quizzed by Kate’s real-life best friend Larkin Harrington (AKA Ted) on how well the…

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Episode 13. Season 1 Wrap Up With Josey and Kate 50:21

9M ago50:21

50:21

In the final episode of the first season, Kate and Josey take a deeper dive into their most recent, shared burnout experience, including how constant change is a recipe for quick and severe burnout, and how hopping to something "easier" from the legal field can make you feel unentitled to burn out. They also discuss what they’ve learned this season…

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Episode 12. Unspoken Rules With Chloe Diaz 41:56

10M ago41:56

41:56

WARNING: This episode contains discussions of, and references to, sexual assault and abortion. Listener discretion is advised. On our final guest episode of the season, we’re joined by Chloe Diaz, who gets real about all the unspoken rules law school and the legal profession are riddled with. Chloe opens up about her difficult experience as a first…

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Episode 11. The Episode That Almost Wasn't With Henry Nelson-Case 42:08

10M ago42:08

42:08

This week, Henry Nelson-Case, aka That Corporate Lawyer, discusses his burnout experience on what he calls “the most unhinged podcast I’ve been on.” This episode set the record for longest recording time of any yet at over 2 ½ hours. But because Henry, Kate, and Josey got on too well and couldn’t stop laughing, they only got 45 minutes of serious c…

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Episode 10. Being Kind to Yourself With Anti-Burnout Coach Rhia Batchelder 54:10

10M ago54:10

54:10

In the most universally applicable episode yet, anti-burnout coach and former Biglaw attorney Rhia Batchelder joins Kate and Josey to talk about her journey from working in New York firms to building her own business. Rhia gives a ton of actionable tips on how to prevent and recover from burnout, as well as advice for companies on how to build anti…

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Episode 9. Law School Burnout With Rilee Harrison 36:31

10M ago36:31

36:31

Rilee Harrison, lead attorney and head of marketing at Cain Law, sits down with Josey and Kate to share how he burned out during his first semester of law school. He also discusses how that experience with burnout affected his ability to pass the bar on the first try. Rilee discusses how the entire law school process, from having to get a potential…

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Episode 8. Boundaries With Kyle Robisch and Marissa Khetan 53:20

11M ago53:20

53:20

Kyle Robisch, partner at Bradley Arant Boult Cummings, and Marissa Khetan, portfolio manager at Equal Justice Works, join Kate and Josey to talk all things boundaries. (Fun fact: Marissa and Kate also used to work together as attorneys at the same legal aid organization!) This episode is relevant to anyone who is wondering how to set effective boun…

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Episode 7. Overcome Burnout by Overcoming Your Ego With Bob Simon 39:53

11M ago39:53

39:53

Trial attorney, entrepreneur, and podcast host Robert Simon sits down with Kate and Josey to talk about how letting go of his ego allowed him to overcome burnout and continue practicing law. Bob discusses the importance of delegation, intentionality, and finding a good mentor, and he and Josey debate the practicality of contingency fees vs the bill…

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Episode 6. Management Methods with Ashley Herd 47:57

11M ago47:57

47:57

Good management is key to preventing burnout in the legal field, but most people aren't trained to be managers. Many attorneys who manage others are already overwhelmed by demanding clients and workloads, making learning proper management the furthest thing from their minds. If this applies to you, you're in luck! This week, Ashley Herd, CEO and fo…

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Episode 5. 31 Flavors of Burnout With Matt Margolis 39:12

12M ago39:12

39:12

Matt Margolis, famed TikToker and Head of Community and Legal at Lawtrades, joins Josey and Kate to discuss how burnout followed him through his career in firms, government, and in-house, until he learned to control the external and internal factors that lead to it. With his trademark humor and enthusiasm, Matt compares burnout to ice cream, talks …

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Episode 4. Bar Exam With Liz Gil 47:15

12M ago47:15

47:15

In honor of bar exam week, bar exam abolitionist Liz Gil gets real with Kate and Josey about the inequities of the exam, and the "breathtaking pushback" she experienced when advocating for change during the 2020 Barpocalypse. Liz, Kate, and Josey attempt to unpack why already licensed attorneys are so determined to keep the bar exam in place: Is it…

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Episode 3. The Burdens of Race Work and the Power of Self-Advocacy With CJ Donald 46:33

1y ago46:33

46:33

Corporate attorney CJ Donald sits down with Kate and Josey to share his story of burnout, which stemmed from both the burden of race work- the extra, often unpaid work of mentoring and recruiting that is placed on Black associates- and from working at an unsustainable pace, doing work he had outgrown. This is a can't-miss episode with practical adv…

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Episode 2. Living Authentically at Work With Tom Stephenson 42:57

1y ago42:57

42:57

In our first guest episode, Tom Stephenson, VP of Community and Legal Operations at Legal.io and host of the Dear Legal Ops podcast, shares why he chose to leave a decade-long career as a firm paralegal for a career in legal ops, and how learning to live authentically helped him overcome burnout. Learn how Tom has navigated his identity as a member…

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Episode 1. Josey and Kate's Stories 54:03

1y ago54:03

54:03

Kate and Josey share their stories of burning out in traditional law, and discuss some aspects of the legal industry that may cause burnout to be such a widespread issue in the profession. They also realize they don't actually know each other that well yet: Stay tuned to see whether their friendship continues or blossoms into hate. (Sound quality i…

Podcasts Worth a Listen

Josey Hoff Podcasts

Podcasts Worth a Listen

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The Legal Burnouts

Kate Bridal, Josey Hoff, and Rhia Batchelder

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Episode 28. Pivots and Recovery With Reshma Saujani, Founder of Girls Who Code and Moms First 30:26

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Episode 27. Farewell Josey and Career Clarity 59:21

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Episode 26. Creating Your Own Spaces With Faridat Arogundade 1:15:22

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Episode 26. Changing Lanes With Kyle Kelly 42:40

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Episode 25. Pregnancy, Parenting, and Entrepreneurship With Megan Senese 54:22

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Episode 23. Infertility with Emily Petrich 37:20

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Episode 22. Crossover Episode With The Newfangled Lawyer 1:02:32

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Episode 21. The Enneagram With Enneagram Ashton 41:26

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Episode 20. Triggers and Glimmers With Paula Liub 48:16

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Episode 19. Nonlegal Lawyers With ex judicata 36:22

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Episode 18. DEI Layoffs and That Alabama IVF Decision 36:41

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Episode 17. Unlearning Toxic Perfectionism With Coach Jordana Confino 55:29

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Episode 16. Trans Rights, Elections, and Job Hunts, Oh My! With Vanessa Joy 42:11

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Episode 15. Welcome Back, Barbie! 45:29

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Episode 14. Bonus Episode: Kate and Josey Play the Newlywed Game 30:26

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Episode 13. Season 1 Wrap Up With Josey and Kate 50:21

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Episode 12. Unspoken Rules With Chloe Diaz 41:56

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Episode 11. The Episode That Almost Wasn't With Henry Nelson-Case 42:08

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Episode 10. Being Kind to Yourself With Anti-Burnout Coach Rhia Batchelder 54:10

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Episode 9. Law School Burnout With Rilee Harrison 36:31

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Episode 8. Boundaries With Kyle Robisch and Marissa Khetan 53:20

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Episode 7. Overcome Burnout by Overcoming Your Ego With Bob Simon 39:53

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Episode 6. Management Methods with Ashley Herd 47:57

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Episode 5. 31 Flavors of Burnout With Matt Margolis 39:12

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Episode 4. Bar Exam With Liz Gil 47:15

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Episode 3. The Burdens of Race Work and the Power of Self-Advocacy With CJ Donald 46:33

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Episode 2. Living Authentically at Work With Tom Stephenson 42:57

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Episode 1. Josey and Kate's Stories 54:03

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